Trion, do you guys undertand the micropay/cashshop model? Because by the looks . .

Of it you dont.


Here are some simple thinks you could add.

#1 - Varying durations and discounts on longer buffs. This is like elementrary marketing/sales methodolgy here. 24 hours isnt ****, hell most people will only a faction of those hours and they will feel like they have been had, or would be had since no one is gonna buy 24 hour boost. Add say a 7 and 14 day boost with 25% and 50% discounts subsequintly and you will have people spending more then they intednded and feel like they are getting a "deal". Best part, cost you the exact same virtually nil.

#2 - Skins , beyond body and heads , you need weapon skins. A golden AK47 AR ala scarface, I dont know **** people can play dress up with , hey gobble that **** up.

#3 - Pets, x10000 bonus points if you make them into a minigame where they dual like pokemon (scrubs will throw money at you) you can go simple and just have a npc follow people or go big money and let people fight there pets , even if its automated and justa roll of the dice with some illusion of control. BIG MONEY


#4 - Gifting ITems - These are social items say a box that when anyone clicks it they turn into a random creature for 4 mins, or any thing stupid for people to feel like they brought enjoyment to others gaming experiance while filling your pockets.

thats all the free advice for now. Your welcome.

Alright you have 1 right.
1. Good idea
2-4. Could care less.

I heard mcwaffles thinks this is wow... pet dueling....

wow mcwaffle those cash shop ideas are so awesome!!! are you Korean?

I kid.

cash shop sucks, don't care if they add stupid stuff I just wont buy any of it.

ummm sir or mam Hello kitty is that way ------->

I agree that a look at the duration of buffs might be warranted . Skins? Im sure Trion are going to eventually release more stuff (just not awfull gold weapons i hope)
Perhaps less of an insulting attitude towards your fellow players might make them more amenable to some of your ideas..

OP the game you want can be found here.

Or you could go play pokemon or any pokemon clone or Wow.
I swear people want everything some other game has. Go play the games that have it.

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Originally Posted by Coraline

Or you could go play pokemon or any pokemon clone or Wow.
I swear people want everything some other game has. Go play the games that have it.

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But this one has no subscription so if they add what I want from all the games it's all mine for F R E E!!!!

I could be mistaken but don't the buff mods last for 24 hours of IN GAME time, not real world time? Doesn't the timer turn off when you log out?

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kaos

I could be mistaken but don't the buff mods last for 24 hours of IN GAME time, not real world time? Doesn't the timer turn off when you log out?

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Nope, they are real time.

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Originally Posted by Mirimon

I heard mcwaffles thinks this is wow... pet dueling....

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Uh. *blush* The pet battles, are actually quite fun.

But, not in this game.

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Originally Posted by McWaffle

A golden AK47 AR ala scarface.

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Scarface didn't use an AR-15, I don't think ArmaLite even developed the AR-15 in the time period the movie took place.

Scarface used a military manufactured M16a1.

Some of these ideas are all but mandatory like the buff duration things. If I could buy a one month or some jazz exp buff or the like I'd be more receptive of that even if it were pricey than to buy various 24hr ones only. Sure having 24hr or other short duration ones are great but they shouldn't be the only option.

Pet's would be neat, but I couldn't care one way or the other.

Skins, I am sure they will be adding more. I can't imagine they were like "nope, this is good these 8 or so skin sets".

Gifting items I agree and disagree with. If you could gift actual IM items, like skins or other things that would be neat. If it was nothing but inane things then I would rather they not waste the time.

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Originally Posted by Nextic

Scarface didn't use an AR-15, I don't think ArmaLite even developed the AR-15 in the time period the movie took place.

Scarface used a military manufactured M16a1.

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"Military Manufactured"...?!?!

I don't believe I know of a military factory anywhere that made M16A1 rifles and soldiers were on the assembly line.

I do know that in basic training (back in the mid-80's) my M16A1 was stamped that it was manufactured by "Mattel".

No kidding!

Just like this one...

http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMG_1413.jpg

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"Military Manufactured"...?!?!

I don't believe I know of a military factory anywhere that made M16A1 rifles and soldiers were on the assembly line.

I do know that in basic training (back in the mid-80's) my M16A1 was stamped that it was manufactured by "Mattel".

No kidding!

Just like this one...

http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMG_1413.jpg

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I don't know much about guns, but that seems strange that a toy company would also manufacture arms. unless its a different company with the same name and likeness by some strange coincidence?

The main thing the cash shop would need is just more buffs, outfits, vehicles ( perhaps? ) and a few other ends and bits perhaps some customization things for vehicles and the like. Pets I don't think would work out too well those hellbugs would just gnaw on them x_o

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I don't know much about guns, but that seems strange that a toy company would also manufacture arms. unless its a different company with the same name and likeness by some strange coincidence?

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Many companies that had factories (including "Toy" companies) were converted into arms and ammunition manufacturers back in the day during war time to support their country.

Today, the thought of supporting your country (not necessarily meaning your government) is looked down upon by some who don't know, don't remember or never knew.

It's history! Learn it.

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Many companies that had factories (including "Toy" companies) were converted into arms and ammunition manufacturers back in the day during war time to support their country.

Today, the thought of supporting your country (not necessarily meaning your government) is looked down upon by some who don't know, don't remember or never knew.

It's history! Learn it.

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Sorry, I don't delve into history of weapons or arms manufacture. I know it happened in ww1 and ww2, but short of that. I prefer extensively older history, such as ancient china and the like.

So along with the game lagging like mad when there's a 1000 people at an arkfall, you now want them to have pets... awesome shout. Lets just turn Defiance into WoW, it's a genius idea... FYI, I'm being sarcastic.

Cash shop needs outfits and headgear it had in beta. Defiance isn't Pokemon, it's not Gears of War or Call of Duty w/ a bazillion weapon skins , it's Defiance.

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Originally Posted by OmegaDelta

"Military Manufactured"...?!?!

I don't believe I know of a military factory anywhere that made M16A1 rifles and soldiers were on the assembly line.

I do know that in basic training (back in the mid-80's) my M16A1 was stamped that it was manufactured by "Mattel".

No kidding!

Just like this one...

http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMG_1413.jpg

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Regardless of the manufacture, they had to follow Mil-spec and be overseen by the military. Thus "military manufactured"

I wouldnt mind a pet/npc companion seeing how nobody teams up for ****

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Sorry, I don't delve into history of weapons or arms manufacture. I know it happened in ww1 and ww2, but short of that. I prefer extensively older history, such as ancient china and the like.

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Those who ignore the history of our fore fathers are those destined to be in ruins*. After all whos to say you wont make the same mistake if you dont know the past so that you can help prevent the same mistakes in the present, if not future*

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Originally Posted by Nextic

Regardless of the manufacture, they had to follow Mil-spec and be overseen by the military. Thus "military manufactured"

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cite your proof on that comment... .i have a hard time believing your comments, and which "military" your referencing and for which mil specs were talking about...

As for military arms... according to the GOVERNMENT< our weapons have ID #s and a government PATENT pending tag or patent # issued with the weapon. ex: 42221112332 or something crazy like that, as a SN, alongside the weapon weapon stalk* at least in my case. From handling weapons thanks to the us military.

To my understanding weapons come from various parts, some are manufactured on base, others are manufactured in government assembly lines, its all depending on where their ordered from, and where their actually assembled, vs where the parts are actually created, shipped to and assembled at*

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Sorry, I don't delve into history of weapons or arms manufacture. I know it happened in ww1 and ww2, but short of that. I prefer extensively older history, such as ancient china and the like.

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I'm with you on that!

In a different thread, I was commenting on how crazy it is that the character creation system said my name...Ronin...was profanity. So I'm with you on the Asian history in a few ways I'm sure.

My comment about "Learning History" was more of a blanket statement...and not directed specifically at you. Just an FYI.

Regarding the buffs:

- Buffs should only use in game time, so you would not feel you´re wasting money. Make them last for 4h or a maximum of 12h ingame time.

- Raise the buff to at least 30%, better 50% or even 100%. 10% is a laugh, I won´t even waste a thought spending real money for a 10% buff.

Skins and gifts: Don´t care

Pets: WTF ?? Umm... no !

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Originally Posted by Don Nawetta

Regarding the buffs:

- Buffs should only use in game time, so you would not feel you´re wasting money. Make them last for 4h or a maximum of 12h ingame time.

- Raise the buff to at least 30%, better 50% or even 100%. 10% is a laugh, I won´t even waste a thought spending real money for a 10% buff.

Skins and gifts: Don´t care

Pets: WTF ?? Umm... no !

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I agree with your "buffs" comments. I won't buy a 10% buff either!

35%...I might consider it.

50%...Sure. Every now and then.

100%...Hell yes!

I also think "consumable buffs" would be useful additionally. They would stack on top of other account buffs but not with each other. You could buy for use in combat to bolster your health or boost your shields.

Just don't call them "potions" or some silly crap! I'd rather go into "The Crater" bar and buy some "Jack Daniels" that would boost my health for an hour (Hint...Hint Trion! Another brand name to market in the game!!) LOL

RE Pets: remeber Dr. Malcom from Jurassic Park? "Just because you can do a thing doesn't mean you should". Or something like that. Pets, especially dueling pets a la Pokemon, would just be completely stupid. Would that even fit into the lore? I mean if you're going to try and turn Defiance into a standard WoW/any other MMORPG then you should first add a heal/buff skill set and have a perk or skill that draws aggro.

I paid real money for this game, and shouldn't have to pay more for costumes etc.

I'm happy to keep xp etc as a cash shop, so people can use either time, or money to level up, but everything else should be available to earn as well as buy.

If this were a free game, then the rules are different, but it wasn't, and being the most expensive PC game to date (£35 vs £25-£30 for most others) I'd like to think I can use all the content in the game I paid for.

Trion, please keep the cash shop for "unlocking stuff early", random loot boxes and convenience items, there shouldn't be anything I can't get by just playing the game (otherwise it has the worst of all worlds).

The one thing that drove people crazy in Global Agenda was that we bought the "full game with no subscription fees", only for it to go free play, with a cash shop. Then to cap it all people with the full game had to pay to get stuff that you couldn't get without real money.

It's a great game, fun and there seems to be a far bit to just "find", just don't get too greedy

PS. For boosts, it would be great to see a choice of: 7day boost (real time) being the same price as 24hr boost (game time) - for those that have plenty of time, and those that play when they can (eg us parents).

its not strange.. back then.. when American companies made products for American soldiers.. there were several that did a few contracts for the military.. more still came to be a contender in their market ONLY because they started with military work.


as for the M16 series weapons.. they are really old, the first one's not having a chrome lined barrel (which caused the huge failure issue with all the fouling.. chrome lined or not the original design is hugely flawed and operation increases failure.)

it started in 57, came into service in 58', armalite was having issues and sold the design to colt, who then did their thing to the ar15 and made the m16 which first saw duty in 1963 for Vietnam. it replaced the m14.. which I feel is still superior to the m16, none the less it was mandated to be the standard issue military service weapon, and still is today despite LARGE amounts of compelling factual data comparing it to several other weapon platforms.

a modification to a short piston operation would take the design further for the military.. it seems civilians and contractors are on the forefront of ASR tech.

while the nato 5.56 round is cute.. and worked.. the likely hood of needing to hit targets in armor is increasing.. I prefer nothing smaller than a 6.8, with 7.62 being my choice for asr calibers... ATM, my own (has swapable uppers for different round sizes) using the 5.56 match grade zeros out to 1km easily using the ta-31 ECOS. I prefer my m14 for much longer shots with stopping power, using the JEA-100 stock, vortech supressor, GG&G bipod, and MK4 Leopold scope.

Don't care much for the m4/m16 as it is, and so really the options are to heavily modify or get a better weapon.. like an hk416 or something..

btw.. my favorite for close up is the Superkrismk5... full auto 45. acp with almost no recoil and TIGHT shotgrouping.. just looking for better 100 rd drum solutions..

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Originally Posted by Nextic

Scarface didn't use an AR-15, I don't think ArmaLite even developed the AR-15 in the time period the movie took place.

Scarface used a military manufactured M16a1.

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think he mean automatic rifle, or assault rifle, if you're referring to his usage of AR (yes i know the AR in AR-15 is armalite)

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I paid real money for this game, and shouldn't have to pay more for costumes etc.

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You don't have to, nobody forces you to buy outfits, and all of the outfits you can buy have unlockable/rewardable versions in alternate coloration.

I think we should be able to buy, like, a birthday cake item, and we can click it from inventory and we all get a great big piece of cake instead of a weapon, and it would shoot out streamers and balloons when it's clicked!111!!!!1!!!!!

3, this is not WoW, stahp et.


However, mod lockboxes by bits would be awesome. Also:

Weapon skins
Armour reskinning/dye
Weapon customization (as in new barrels, mags, stocks, scopes. No stats, just cosmetic stuff.)
More armour
The ability to buy blue/purple weapons for the one not tough 'nuff to buy lockboxes.
Titles
Hairstyles
Name coloring
Clan name coloring
Weapon name customization
Melee weapon customization, I want a Crocodile Dundee knife, also strictly cosmetic)
Vehicle recoloring
And a big *** ****** Hello Kitty dragon that ****** **** up.





Also, radio stations for cars would be cool. I'm running out of Maiden albums.

I LOL'd at the pet dueling but he is right about the boosters. 24 hours is nothing. They should add at least a 7 day option.



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Originally Posted by McWaffle

#2 - Skins , beyond body and heads , you need weapon skins. A golden AK47 AR ala scarface, I dont know **** people can play dress up with , hey gobble that **** up.

#3 - Pets, x10000 bonus points if you make them into a minigame where they dual like pokemon (scrubs will throw money at you) you can go simple and just have a npc follow people or go big money and let people fight there pets , even if its automated and justa roll of the dice with some illusion of control. BIG MONEY


#4 - Gifting ITems - These are social items say a box that when anyone clicks it they turn into a random creature for 4 mins, or any thing stupid for people to feel like they brought enjoyment to others gaming experiance while filling your pockets.

thats all the free advice for now. Your welcome.

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2 : Unless they auto-pvp flag a person locked in a pet-battle, no. PLain and simple no. Did I mention no?
Infact only way I can accept this being added if a person not only will be auto-pvp flagged, this player still being attackeble while being locked in his/her pet-battle mini game.. There should be a IG warning like we have for arkfalls when someone engages in a pet battle.

3) More vanity options would be nice. I wouldnt oppose more weapon models, especially since most models seem to come with their own features.

4) Not against this.

I saw mention of direct stat boosts. If that comes in you can be pretty sure it'll kill any chance of a pvp scene ever happening. Oh I have more money? guess I have more health and shield too. And if they are buyable in game for ingame currency, why even put them in since everyone will run them all the time, just buff all characters at that point.

nope.avi

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#3 - Pets, x10000 bonus points if you make them into a minigame where they dual like pokemon.

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This would totally fit into the game! A bunch of bad *** ark hunters, laying down all the firepower of a small army... while being surrounded by dancing panda bears and japanese cats.... Me no think so

Mcwaffle you sound like a confused lil
man. Golden ak's.? Go play call of duty! Pets? Go play Warcraft! And stop trying to sound smart using your big words which you can't even spell correctly.

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Originally Posted by Beats

I don't know much about guns, but that seems strange that a toy company would also manufacture arms. unless its a different company with the same name and likeness by some strange coincidence?

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No it is actually true when I found out I was like no way but yes it's very true. You'd be surprised at what companies are contracted with the military heck do some googling you'll find some cool things.