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in game they said that a working terra spire had not been seen in over 10 years. However when one was finally found in the 14 minute preview the 2 leads didn't seem overly shocked and/or surprised. since a working terra spire could be used to reverse the effects of the terraforming holocaust they should have shown a LOT more excitement. in game it was a major event just piecing one together from bits from all over.
Maybe it's because anonymous ninjas seeped away their excitement while they were sleeping.
Could have to do with things such as VonBach, or location or any litany of other things. Maybe the location it was at it just couldn't/wouldn't have any effect. Or the ability to reverse it was unknown at that time. Or honestly, maybe they just couldn't give a **** and only wanted money, talking of Antarctica and stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by allegretto2500
Nolan's no stranger to terra-spires, and the episode missions in the game suggest he's got his own plan going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by allegretto2500
kinda what I thought afterward.
Maybe its because:
Oh wait, don't care. This game has no depth at all in the items or character progression, therefore my care meter is about zero. My only hope is that I forget about this game and watch the TV show praying it is good.
I would consider a plot hole to be more of a logic problem. Those *******s in the show might just not be excited. Or poorly voice acted. This is SyFy etc.
A Spire requires multiple components to operate(keys if you will). You can speculate that the core or matrix are keys in addition to the crystal we helped get in the episode missions and that sphere he gets in the first 14 min of the show. Thus a teraspire crash landing in perfect condition may not necessarily mean anything can be turned immediately operable.
Additionally, Nolan was in unfamiliar territory and knew the arkfall would attract scavengers/hunters etc. In such a situation, given that though Nolan knew a teraspire could be switched on, he may have simply opted for taking the easiest/most important parts to sell as opposed to attempting to defend with just Irisa the entire spire. He also may have been one of the Defiant Few that actually didnt know how to fully operate/turn it on let alone reverse the teraforming damage.
Something that I learned well from Bethesda is any creator of lore reserves the right to change their mind, without notice or explanation.
yeah they seemed to be too casual about such a discovery. they seemed to treat the terra spire the same way you or I might react to finding $20 on the sidewalk.
One of the things I've noticed about Nolan so far, and it actually makes me curious about the show, is that some of the stuff that seems like weird omissions or acting failures are potentially deliberate reveals. Like, the character's history is that he's one of the Defiant Few and all, a war hero, but when I first saw him I thought, "Wow, this actor is terrible. There's nothing even vaguely soldier-like about him. If anything, he seems like some kind of shady con man."Quote:
Originally Posted by allegretto2500
Well, sure enough, there's Nolan playing my ark hunter for a chump and pulling off some sweet sleight-of-hand. Lying through his teeth while acting all sincere and sentimental. So, -hopefully-, those kinds of things are intentional. Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by Vikar
I can take that leap of faith, I mean he survived somehow. He is no Torc or Cooper.
I betcha a thousand scrip we find out Nolan was responsible for the holocaust. Somehow he got ahold of a terra spire on the ground, thought it would be a good idea to fire it at the ships in orbit..... and as Ivanova would say *BIG BOOM*
I am beginning to think he pulled a Mike Donovan. snuck onto one of their big ships, found a terra spire, tried to crash their network...POW.
OOOHHHHHH.... That makes sense. Because I was wondering why the hell he was going from San Francisco ALL THE WAY to Saint Louis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikar
Because the gem to open the terra-spire was in Frisco, and the prize was in St. Louis.
I believe that he was just opportunistic and basically running from Varus/San Fransisco.
The arkfall just happened to be in his path. They've probably seen other damaged terraspires before as well. One working Terraspire is also not likely to be able to "fix" the world, but 3 million in scrip can definately fix his world. >.< I guess we will see what type of person he is over the course of the show.
then i suggest you quit whinning about it and go get your money back so you can have the funds for popcorn while you make yourself happier watching the tv showQuote:
Originally Posted by Raserei
If you paid any attention to the story in the game and ,have either finished the story in the game or got far enough, Nolan was part of the Defiant few, who facing overwhelming odds and wanted to end the war fired the terraspire.
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Joshua Nolan is a war veteran and ex-grifter who turned over a new leaf in life to become the current chief Lawkeeper of Defiance. He is a survivor of the Battle of Defiance where he stood alongside his military buddy, Jon Cooper.
(Taken from information freely available on the defiance site)
So his lack of surprise is not a surprise to me, neither was his sleight of hand with the valuable gem!
Hope this helps fill the 'hole' and I apologize if this seems aggressive it's not.
Thanks for reading! :)
They didn't have a core to use and were more interested in the terrasphere than the spire itself, as they could not carry the spire away.Quote:
Originally Posted by allegretto2500
Considering the amount of gear I can carry...and that he should have gotten a ridiculous amount of XP (even shared) from the Battle of Defiance, he should have been able to pocket the whole spire with room to spare for the rest of the ark. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Escyos
It sure as hell wasn't an accident. I don't think Nolan was behind it though. We already know Cooper activated a terra-spire at the Battle of Defiance to end the fighting, I doubt they'd have another hidden reveal behind a character being that they secretly activated a terra-spire. I could be wrong though. I'm thinking more likely it was a Castithan.Quote:
I betcha a thousand scrip we find out Nolan was responsible for the holocaust. Somehow he got ahold of a terra spire on the ground, thought it would be a good idea to fire it at the ships in orbit..... and as Ivanova would say *BIG BOOM*
Unsure if it was specifically Cooper who activated it. But he was most likely part of the decision to do so along with Torc, Nolan, and the rest of the Defiant Few. He says "Damnit Ara! I know he can do it. Because we did it..." (Not exact but close enough) inferring the 'group' set it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Johnson
I thought only von bach knew how to use the terra spire to repair the earth and seeing how hes dead the knowledge died with him. I also would think Noal being one of the defiant few would only think the spire can destroy not repair and odds are von bach never told anyone besides the ark hunter and a chosen few about his plan. Then there is the question of if the spire was fully operational, maybe the only part worth taking was the orb and every thing else might of been slagged. I mean if a giant computer falls out of the sky I'd be lucky to get the processor out of it let alone a whole working system. I should note i watched the first 14 mins awhile ago and didn't pay much mind to it because i was doing home work.Quote:
Originally Posted by allegretto2500
there is a 2 week time lapse from the game to show release as seen in the episode mission, nolan travels from the bay to saint louis
Nolan has his own plans.. nothing to worry here..
Nolan was in the battle of defiance, therefore he was there when the terra spire terraformed earth, he survived. I doubt he's happy about seeing a new terraspire even if it would help them. (I didn't watch it yet) It's not a plot hole eitherway, it's bad acting at worst.
I actually managed to watch the full pilot episode and the tera spire had some sphere inside it which they said was worth 3 mill scrip and it held great power, in the end they just blew up the sphere to save the city from the attack
Von Bach isn't dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie
Along the lines of the topic though, the world was terraformed. So Saint Louis could be any direction from the old west coast. Hell the bay could be the new east coast of the old United States. Just look at the vastness that is the map. It looks more south east than anything.
You watch it early and spoil it for others? Great. Thanks. Can you please remove this post or at the very least paint SPOILER all over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by iiMulc
As far as I know everyone can watch the 1st 14min. There are some copy paste streams available for Europeans too (since the official one is only for americans).Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitch
I watched it early because I can. I did not reveal anything about the plot so stop *****ing. This 1 bit of detail I said will no way spoil the story. It's not like I said anything about them using the sphere to beat the Volge soldiers at the end... Whoops
That was deliberate, and uncalled for.
Actually I thought the game was overall better than the show. I don't need crazy deep story to have fun in a game. Remember this industry was spawned from Coin-Op experiences where story was little to nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raserei