Defiance 2050 Trading Petition

Trading is a huge part of defiance. The community thrives on buying/selling. Look at defiance 360 for instance. Most of us wouldn't be here without collecting certain types of weapons and advancing into the danger zone with more powerful weapons they couldn't pull themselves. The weapon/shield pool is so large that getting the items you want as a reward is next to impossible making trading viable more than ever.


With so many possibilities to obtain different weapons, the chances of obtaining certain weapons that others will already have will be like finding a needle in a hay stack. They will either be sold to the vendor or auto-broken down when people could actually use them.

We need trading in defiance 2050.

I played beta Saturday and Sunday. I pulled a total of 6 ojs and not one of which I enjoyed. I pulled the following items:


auto-detonator
auto-fragger
sub-carbin burst
rhino regen ark - 100% health regen
tachyon 20% shield capacity
t5 ar power bore


I did not want any of these. The entire beta I wanted to pull and try even a green sawed off. I never pulled a single one and I typed into chat /played and verified I had put into the game over a day worth of time.


Trading is a must have as people will get fed up and stop playing the game after not getting what they want after so many tries. Imagine playing a game for a year (defiance 360) and never getting an item you have been wanting yourself as in pulling it as a reward. You see someone who has it and no longer wants it and you are able to get it from said person. It makes you feel happy does it not?


Fast forward to defiance 2050 and that same story happens however, you aren't able to get the item any other way other than getting it as a reward yourself. Imagine how it would make you feel after disappointment after disappointment. If we could only trade, this would eliminate these issues. The same no trading system even effects people who like to collect in game.


We all have collections we like to improve more and more. We keep the collections on other charcters we refer to as backpack toons as they have the inventory slots not being used. We use a trusted friend to trade items to and then transfer them to your backpack toons. Without trading, this becomes obsolete. It literally forces players to purchase inventory slots if that will be a thing in defiance 2050 as it is in defiance 360.


This measure basically means defiance 2050 turns into a pay to win game. I am meaning that without trading, inventory slots become filled up more and more to hold items people want to keep, and once they fill up, our backpack toons are no more forcing us to buy more slots. unless we sell to vendor or break them down which the community simply won't do. The devs openly stated in the image attached to this post that "There is no pay to win in Defiance..." but sadly this route = pay to win.

Bravo sir, well said! Trading was extremely important, revamp the trading system not just the weapon system. Let’s fix what was broke not cut out the things that made defiance great.

�� Well said, i also wont stick around long without trading in the game. People want to play with weapons they want to play with, not forced to play with what the game gives them

They said won't be in the game at launch.
They didn't say it would never be in the game.

Petitions not allowed on forums ... I should know ...prepare for your punishment

50 lashes with a wet noodle!!!

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Originally Posted by TheStigsCousin

They said won't be in the game at launch.
They didn't say it would never be in the game.

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This... a million times, this. Geez, overreact much people?

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Originally Posted by KevinVonBach

This... a million times, this. Geez, overreact much people?

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Yup their all worried about this and I'm constantly hearing P2W. Informations out there but they gotta have their freak out sessions...

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Originally Posted by TheStigsCousin

They said won't be in the game at launch.
They didn't say it would never be in the game.

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We will see. It took 3 years for the exchange.

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Originally Posted by Ronin9572

Yup their all worried about this and I'm constantly hearing P2W. Informations out there but they gotta have their freak out sessions...

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I don’t get it who is freaking out? Trios wants feedback, we just played the beta and wanted to voice our opinion. I thought that’s what the forums was for, because you won’t need it to post trades for 2050. While the game is being developed and tested, we stand a much better chance getting what we want before the release by popular demand. Trion doesn’t have a great track record for fixing bugs and fulfilling promises. Why the criticism and hate I will never understand, that’s prolly why most ppl don’t even bother to post on here any more.

I think it is not needed. At start. Think about it.....The power lvl is apart of the kit you want to trade everyone will be after the higher lvl gear through trade to get to top power lvl without having to do no work other then trade. I think trade should be granted to all players when thay are top rank.

It is definitely something i would like to see

Why start two threads about the same thing?

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Originally Posted by CJ BLAZ3

I don’t get it who is freaking out? Trios wants feedback, we just played the beta and wanted to voice our opinion. I thought that’s what the forums was for, because you won’t need it to post trades for 2050. While the game is being developed and tested, we stand a much better chance getting what we want before the release by popular demand. Trion doesn’t have a great track record for fixing bugs and fulfilling promises. Why the criticism and hate I will never understand, that’s prolly why most ppl don’t even bother to post on here any more.

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I agree with all of this. I have played defiance 360 since the launch in 2013. I know all bout the ends and outs on how they develop and maintain their game/system. Their track record isnt too good however, coding is difficult. Especially for a mmo game. Thousands of factors play key roles into what works and what doesn't. There isn't any need for hate or any of the sorts. This is a community that loves trion regardless of their faults. Let' all Try to make defiance 2050 the game defiance 360 should of been. Lets reach further towards the finish line and not trip and fall short of what could be the greater mmo in history.

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Originally Posted by The Ghost Within

Trading is a huge part of defiance. The community thrives on buying/selling. Look at defiance 360 for instance. Most of us wouldn't be here without collecting certain types of weapons and advancing into the danger zone with more powerful weapons they couldn't pull themselves. The weapon/shield pool is so large that getting the items you want as a reward is next to impossible making trading viable more than ever.


With so many possibilities to obtain different weapons, the chances of obtaining certain weapons that others will already have will be like finding a needle in a hay stack. They will either be sold to the vendor or auto-broken down when people could actually use them.

We need trading in defiance 2050.

I played beta Saturday and Sunday. I pulled a total of 6 ojs and not one of which I enjoyed. I pulled the following items:


auto-detonator
auto-fragger
sub-carbin burst
rhino regen ark - 100% health regen
tachyon 20% shield capacity
t5 ar power bore


I did not want any of these. The entire beta I wanted to pull and try even a green sawed off. I never pulled a single one and I typed into chat /played and verified I had put into the game over a day worth of time.


Trading is a must have as people will get fed up and stop playing the game after not getting what they want after so many tries. Imagine playing a game for a year (defiance 360) and never getting an item you have been wanting yourself as in pulling it as a reward. You see someone who has it and no longer wants it and you are able to get it from said person. It makes you feel happy does it not?


Fast forward to defiance 2050 and that same story happens however, you aren't able to get the item any other way other than getting it as a reward yourself. Imagine how it would make you feel after disappointment after disappointment. If we could only trade, this would eliminate these issues. The same no trading system even effects people who like to collect in game.


We all have collections we like to improve more and more. We keep the collections on other charcters we refer to as backpack toons as they have the inventory slots not being used. We use a trusted friend to trade items to and then transfer them to your backpack toons. Without trading, this becomes obsolete. It literally forces players to purchase inventory slots if that will be a thing in defiance 2050 as it is in defiance 360.


This measure basically means defiance 2050 turns into a pay to win game. I am meaning that without trading, inventory slots become filled up more and more to hold items people want to keep, and once they fill up, our backpack toons are no more forcing us to buy more slots. unless we sell to vendor or break them down which the community simply won't do. The devs openly stated in the image attached to this post that "There is no pay to win in Defiance..." but sadly this route = pay to win.

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well said! I have said it before and I will say it again no trading and or clan cap of 300 means no 2050 for me.

They did say no trading at launch hopefully a trade system is put in place later.

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Originally Posted by The Ghost Within

Trading is a huge part of defiance. The community thrives on buying/selling. Look at defiance 360 for instance. Most of us wouldn't be here without collecting certain types of weapons and advancing into the danger zone with more powerful weapons they couldn't pull themselves. The weapon/shield pool is so large that getting the items you want as a reward is next to impossible making trading viable more than ever.


With so many possibilities to obtain different weapons, the chances of obtaining certain weapons that others will already have will be like finding a needle in a hay stack. They will either be sold to the vendor or auto-broken down when people could actually use them.

We need trading in defiance 2050.

I played beta Saturday and Sunday. I pulled a total of 6 ojs and not one of which I enjoyed. I pulled the following items:


auto-detonator
auto-fragger
sub-carbin burst
rhino regen ark - 100% health regen
tachyon 20% shield capacity
t5 ar power bore


I did not want any of these. The entire beta I wanted to pull and try even a green sawed off. I never pulled a single one and I typed into chat /played and verified I had put into the game over a day worth of time.


Trading is a must have as people will get fed up and stop playing the game after not getting what they want after so many tries. Imagine playing a game for a year (defiance 360) and never getting an item you have been wanting yourself as in pulling it as a reward. You see someone who has it and no longer wants it and you are able to get it from said person. It makes you feel happy does it not?


Fast forward to defiance 2050 and that same story happens however, you aren't able to get the item any other way other than getting it as a reward yourself. Imagine how it would make you feel after disappointment after disappointment. If we could only trade, this would eliminate these issues. The same no trading system even effects people who like to collect in game.


We all have collections we like to improve more and more. We keep the collections on other charcters we refer to as backpack toons as they have the inventory slots not being used. We use a trusted friend to trade items to and then transfer them to your backpack toons. Without trading, this becomes obsolete. It literally forces players to purchase inventory slots if that will be a thing in defiance 2050 as it is in defiance 360.


This measure basically means defiance 2050 turns into a pay to win game. I am meaning that without trading, inventory slots become filled up more and more to hold items people want to keep, and once they fill up, our backpack toons are no more forcing us to buy more slots. unless we sell to vendor or break them down which the community simply won't do. The devs openly stated in the image attached to this post that "There is no pay to win in Defiance..." but sadly this route = pay to win.

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I pulled 3 of those same ojs. The loot must have been really limited. I agree trading needs to be added.

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Originally Posted by ttoomm

I think it is not needed. At start. Think about it.....The power lvl is apart of the kit you want to trade everyone will be after the higher lvl gear through trade to get to top power lvl without having to do no work other then trade. I think trade should be granted to all players when thay are top rank.

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They would still have to play to get items to trade to other people.

Unless you're saying people will just be handing out free items to new people to power level them.

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Originally Posted by Chump Norris

They would still have to play to get items to trade to other people.
Unless you're saying people will just be handing out free items to new people to power level them.

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but why would a higher level player want with low level gear? No higher player will take it. So its not needed yet. Not hard to understand if you think about it. And yes all friends that we know would get a easy time leveling from freebie . Just imagine you never played defiane at all and you seen this lvl system with trade Wouldn't you think its wrong? Just get trade out your mind and you will understand

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Originally Posted by ttoomm

but why would a higher level player want with low level gear? No higher player will take it. So its not needed yet. Not hard to understand if you think about it. And yes all friends that we know would get a easy time leveling from freebie . Just imagine you never played defiane at all and you seen this lvl system with trade Wouldn't you think its wrong? Just get trade out your mind and you will understand

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If people want to trade to new friends who just joined the game, what issue is that?? People did and do it all the time on defiance 360. I don't see the whole issue that you say is here.

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Originally Posted by WhiteStrike

Why start two threads about the same thing?

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Better question:

Why hasn't a moderator merged the two threads?

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Originally Posted by KevinVonBach

Better question:

Why hasn't a moderator merged the two threads?

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The week before the beta started i got a suspension because i bumped 2 posts about the question of EU players being able to play the beta on US server PS4. I bumped one of my posts and another one from other user and i got suspended if you can believe it.

This only shows what kind of moderation we have here.
Every time i get a warning or a supension i just raise my hands to the sky and ask why...lol

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Originally Posted by KevinVonBach

Better question:

Why hasn't a moderator merged the two threads?

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Too busy at the BBQ swilling brewhaha's?

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Originally Posted by WhiteStrike

Why start two threads about the same thing?

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I made this after I was officially told there would be no trading at launch. I made this with the intent of getting people together to get trade into the game. The other thread was asking a simple question.

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Originally Posted by drackiller

The week before the beta started i got a suspension because i bumped 2 posts about the question of EU players being able to play the beta on US server PS4. I bumped one of my posts and another one from other user and i got suspended if you can believe it.

This only shows what kind of moderation we have here.
Every time i get a warning or a supension i just raise my hands to the sky and ask why...lol

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A friend of mine recently had his thread deleted and a warning for posting positive comments and criticisms about the beta. Might not have helped that I posted some pretty negative remarks about a few ppl's remarks and whinings. If that was the case that it was my fault how come my post wasn't deleted and me getting the warning. Smh...

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Originally Posted by Ronin9572

A friend of mine recently had his thread deleted and a warning for posting positive comments and criticisms about the beta. Might not have helped that I posted some pretty negative remarks about a few ppl's remarks and whinings. If that was the case that it was my fault how come my post wasn't deleted and me getting the warning. Smh...

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Yeah , their reasoning of things makes no sense at all.

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Originally Posted by The Ghost Within

If people want to trade to new friends who just joined the game, what issue is that?? People did and do it all the time on defiance 360. I don't see the whole issue that you say is here.

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Have you seen what we need to do to lvl in def 2050? Not same as def 13.You level up from the power lvl on your gear. So if one of your friends join the game 6 month after release and your power is 1500 and his is 10,if you give him a 1500lvl gear he will be 1500 lvl from 1 trade.You are admittedly saying you want to cheat the game knowing this. all he would need to do is hit a fue arks and he will drop a power 1500lvl gear.Not right for the people that played properly. I would like the devs to clear up this matter because it seems people Don't understand anything about what thay have commented on other then what thay want rather then whats right.Like talking to a child.

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Originally Posted by drackiller

Yeah , their reasoning of things makes no sense at all.

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Yeah and don't even get me started on their customer service! But it's the game we hate to love and love to hate...

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Originally Posted by ttoomm

Have you seen what we need to do to lvl in def 2050? Not same as def 13.You level up from the power lvl on your gear. So if one of your friends join the game 6 month after release and your power is 1500 and his is 10,if you give him a 1500lvl gear he will be 1500 lvl from 1 trade.You are admittedly saying you want to cheat the game knowing this. all he would need to do is hit a fue arks and he will drop a power 1500lvl gear.Not right for the people that played properly. I would like the devs to clear up this matter because it seems people Don't understand anything about what thay have commented on other then what thay want rather then whats right.Like talking to a child.

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I came in first on majors/sieges/minors multiple times during the beta. I know how the system works. Compared to defiance 360, it isn't even anywhere near the same combat system.


You completely fail to even acknowledge though that this way of so called "cheating" as you put it by trading is exactly what was in old defiance since day 1 until they changed the way the combat/ego system worked. They made it to where your ego power actually mattered. Now your entire argument towards not having trade in the game is simply because it would cause unbalance with new players/low ego players making them on par with high egos. Truth of the matter is, the cards are in Trion's hands. We can argue until the servers are shut down, but to what point? You clearly do not want trade in the game and I clearly do.


Note: I had 25 ego rating only using 602 power rating coming in first at majors/sieges/minors. Sure I got higher level gear but didn't use it for the simple matter of it doesn't matter. I have a friend who had power rating 730 during beta but does that make him deal more dmg than me or anyone else? Or better yet, cause an unbalance between him or me? No because until a dev openly states exactly how the new system works compared to gear rating/power rating/ego rating, it's all assumptions.

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Originally Posted by ttoomm

I think it is not needed. At start. Think about it.....The power lvl is apart of the kit you want to trade everyone will be after the higher lvl gear through trade to get to top power lvl without having to do no work other then trade. I think trade should be granted to all players when thay are top rank.

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Agree, I think that the game will evolve in parallel with the players and probably will arise changes and developments, there are many people thinking as a 6k player respect to Def'50 and maybe Trion is directing the project to other type of players.
( ... those that has decide play Defiance'50 without thinking in Def'13).

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Originally Posted by Ronin9572

Too busy at the BBQ swilling brewhaha's?

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Mmmmmmm delicious BBQ. Yes, please!

[QUOTE=The Ghost Within;2094771]I came in first on majors/sieges/minors multiple times during the beta. I know how the system works. Compared to defiance 360, it isn't even anywhere near the same combat system.
You completely fail to even acknowledge though that this way of so called "cheating" as you put it by trading is exactly what was in old defiance since day 1 until they changed the way the combat/ego system worked. They made it to where your ego power actually mattered. Now your entire argument towards not having trade in the game is simply because it would cause unbalance with new players/low ego players making them on par with high egos. Truth of the matter is, the cards are in Trion's hands. We can argue until the servers are shut down, but to what point? You clearly do not want trade in the game and I clearly do.[][]QUOTE].............[Reply]
You clearly dont understand.You hitting 1st,combat system,dmg on gear has nothing to do with what the issue is. The issue is to have trade at launch for people to cheat the new level system.You can ramble on about what you did in the beta,it dont change the fact that the system is not for trade at the start.All games with this type of system Don't have trade for this reason.And why assume i don't want trade in the game? I have never said that,only said what you don't process,and trade should be at end of leveling.

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Originally Posted by The Ghost Within

I came in first on majors/sieges/minors multiple times during the beta. I know how the system works. Compared to defiance 360, it isn't even anywhere near the same combat system.
You completely fail to even acknowledge though that this way of so called "cheating" as you put it by trading is exactly what was in old defiance since day 1 until they changed the way the combat/ego system worked. They made it to where your ego power actually mattered. Now your entire argument towards not having trade in the game is simply because it would cause unbalance with new players/low ego players making them on par with high egos. Truth of the matter is, the cards are in Trion's hands. We can argue until the servers are shut down, but to what point? You clearly do not want trade in the game and I clearly do.[][]QUOTE].............[Reply]
You clearly dont understand.You hitting 1st,combat system,dmg on gear has nothing to do with what the issue is. The issue is to have trade at launch for people to cheat the new level system.You can ramble on about what you did in the beta,it dont change the fact that the system is not for trade at the start.All games with this type of system Don't have trade for this reason.And why assume i don't want trade in the game? I have never said that,only said what you don't process,and trade should be at end of leveling.

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dont know what happened ther.Lol

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Originally Posted by ttoomm

dont know what happened ther.Lol

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The system has nothing to do with how trade can be used to cheat the system. If trading is cheating than I'm guilty of it and so is everyone else. Rather trade is added at launch or after, will you keep to your belief that it is cheating the system?

Lol what is going on here

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Originally Posted by ttoomm

The system has nothing to do with how trade can be used to cheat the system. If trading is cheating than I'm guilty of it and so is everyone else. Rather trade is added at launch or after, will you keep to your belief that it is cheating the system?

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Yes it dose lol.Our power is connected to the gear you want to trade so it dose have somthing to do with it. I have said the point on why trade is not in launch.Why do you think it isn't in launch?Because the devs felt like it.No,it because of the leveling system.Don't take a genius to figure it out.This is become tedious having to explain a simple system. Look up destiny look at ther lvl system,then look up why destiny has NO trade.Same thing. Most of your posts dont make sence and makes me think you are just trolling me or trying to.

Well, I agree with you, that the game needs the trade feature, but now you see my point of view on this: All of us, regardless of the platform where we are playing we will be in our first day in the game, without any scrip, no level of experience, nothing. What would be the trade's need during launch the game if no one had absolutely nothing to trade or buy resources? Exactly. None, because we would not have what to negotiate or how to pay for the items right away.

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Originally Posted by Zer0Playr

Well, I agree with you, that the game needs the trade feature, but now you see my point of view on this: All of us, regardless of the platform where we are playing we will be in our first day in the game, without any scrip, no level of experience, nothing. What would be the trade's need during launch the game if no one had absolutely nothing to trade or buy resources? Exactly. None, because we would not have what to negotiate or how to pay for the items right away.

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Bingo! Great points here.

Its one aide against the other side. This will continue to go on and on until nothing happens. You have your side and I have mine.

And the point is I rather have the option to trade stuff to a backpack toon when I need space rather than break stuff or sell to vendor when not needed. If I pull 100 ojs, I want the opportunity to give them to others to use regardless of what they do to the players. And if someone argues you can just buy inventory slots, I had 5000 inventory slots on Xbox 360, I still gave the stuff I didn't wanna look at to my backpack toons.

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Originally Posted by The Ghost Within

Its one aide against the other side. This will continue to go on and on until nothing happens. You have your side and I have mine.

And the point is I rather have the option to trade stuff to a backpack toon when I need space rather than break stuff or sell to vendor when not needed. If I pull 100 ojs, I want the opportunity to give them to others to use regardless of what they do to the players. And if someone argues you can just buy inventory slots, I had 5000 inventory slots on Xbox 360, I still gave the stuff I didn't wanna look at to my backpack toons.

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I understand the importance of trade in defiance 13, i am a grinder and a big trader in the game,sad that it has taken a back step in defiance 2050 but i get why its not in the start of 2050,because of the leveling. Trade will be in defiance the devs have said that,but not at the start.Trade is apart of defiance so why do you think is totally gone.

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Originally Posted by ttoomm

I understand the importance of trade in defiance 13, i am a grinder and a big trader in the game,sad that it has taken a back step in defiance 2050 but i get why its not in the start of 2050,because of the leveling. Trade will be in defiance the devs have said that,but not at the start.Trade is apart of defiance so why do you think is totally gone.

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I don't think its gone from defiance. I pulled 6 ojs in just 2 days of playing the beta. If that is any indication of how the drop rate is for me, ill need trade soon because I refuse to sell them to the vendor without testing them out.

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Originally Posted by ttoomm

but why would a higher level player want with low level gear? No higher player will take it. So its not needed yet. Not hard to understand if you think about it. And yes all friends that we know would get a easy time leveling from freebie . Just imagine you never played defiane at all and you seen this lvl system with trade Wouldn't you think its wrong? Just get trade out your mind and you will understand

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I have no problem at all with how fast other people choose to level and I will not get trade out of my mind because trade is a big part of Defiance, always has been and always should be.

If their new level system makes it to easy to level up via trade then the level system should be changed.