Vehicles now made out of balsa wood

Just getting near an “enemy” destroys your vehicle:

https://youtu.be/OxfYCSIKDkM

http://youtu.be/OxfYCSIKDkM

Driving is essentially useless at the moment as encounters in the middle of the road of wandering enemies can blow you up out of nowhere.

First they’re indestructible, now worthless. Great balancing!

it has been that why on old defiance.

Lol, that's hillarious. Maybe your van is carrying nitroglycerin.

Honestly, vehicles didn't need major durability nerf. What they needed was a slight durability nerf and some tuning on the Damage vs Velocity scale.
Making vehicles explode in Arkfall and Siege Zones would also help.

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Originally Posted by WhiteStrike

Honestly, vehicles didn't need major durability nerf. What they needed was a slight durability nerf and some tuning on the Damage vs Velocity scale. Making vehicles explode in Arkfall and Siege Zones would also help.

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100% agreed

"One step forward, two steps back"

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Originally Posted by WhiteStrike

Honestly, vehicles didn't need major durability nerf. What they needed was a slight durability nerf and some tuning on the Damage vs Velocity scale.
Making vehicles explode in Arkfall and Siege Zones would also help.

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Totally agree with you on this!

Does this mean Titan got nerved too? I've not done any other story mission that involves driving a Titan, so hopefully I could still finish it with a Balsa Titan.

Maybe if people were not abusing the vehicle in arkfalls, this would not have needed to be implemented. However, they were being abused, and well when abuse happens it will be corrected to one extreme or another. Maybe if you got on the idiots abusing the system, this would not have needed to be corrected.

Frankly, if I had my way, if you got into the arkfall small circles with your vehicle would have been nuked with a 5 minute respawn.

Note: Driving around in an arkfall running over things does not allow loot to drop from those kills. So no you are not helping anyone, even as you might protest otherwise.

Titan was already a low durability vehicle before this. I had it blow up while running over enemies in the "Cut off a Head..." mission (Santana Murphy assassination).

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Originally Posted by Swing Ninja

Does this mean Titan got nerved too? I've not done any other story mission that involves driving a Titan, so hopefully I could still finish it with a Balsa Titan.

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Heh I will note the changes made the Story missions where you take Coop and Tork in the titan across the bridge to deal with artillery, and it shells you? The thing is so slow, has no boosts and now is so fragile its easier to just run across the bridge than drive the damn truck because it gets killed immediately because it can't avoid the arty fire.

This way some pursuits will be way too long: think about smashing 50 skitters with our (balsa) vehicles...
Kill one and the car explodes, wait for the vehicle cooldown, respawn it and repeate. I can understand the abuse "punishment" but now it's better to walk then to ride something that can blow up if something scratches its paint.

I agree with where this thread is going.

I get that vehicles should not be what you use to complete arkfalls and conflicts and why it ticks off other players. But running over the occasional enemy was a major factor in leveling skill in runners & rollers. It's even required in some pursuits. So now you have to blow yourself up 50 times to tick that box? Clearly they need a better solution that does not make vehicles into rhinos or baby seals.

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Originally Posted by Losobal

Heh I will note the changes made the Story missions where you take Coop and Tork in the titan across the bridge to deal with artillery, and it shells you? The thing is so slow, has no boosts and now is so fragile its easier to just run across the bridge than drive the damn truck because it gets killed immediately because it can't avoid the arty fire.

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This is so true it hurts!

what do you mean made out of balsa wood its more like tissue paper i ran over a CHICKEN during a time trial and the vehicle was blown up... i recorded it and posted in on xbox live if you wanna check it out my gt is the same as my username on here...

Doesn't it also depends on the level of the area and your character, so you could still just run down stuff in lower level areas, but higher level areas blow up your vehicle when it touches anything..

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Originally Posted by bada55dragon

what do you mean made out of balsa wood its more like tissue paper i ran over a CHICKEN during a time trial and the vehicle was blown up... i recorded it and posted in on xbox live if you wanna check it out my gt is the same as my username on here...

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Had exactly the same thing.Ran over a chicken in a time trial & the car blew up.Can't complete some of the daily faction challenges now due to this.

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Originally Posted by badger67

had exactly the same thing.ran over a chicken in a time trial & the car blew up.can't complete some of the daily faction challenges now due to this.

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omg, rotflmao!

its not funny dude try doing time trial just down from happy pow farm...

Phrost said (on DefianceData's Discord server) they are still working on "finding the right balance" :)

https://i.imgur.com/7y00SEC.png
https://i.imgur.com/ZGIaib8.png

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Originally Posted by Phrost

Currently your vehicle damage does and takes scales with your power level and speed. The faster you are going and the lower level than you that enemies are, the more damage they will take and the less you will take.
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Vehicle damage and health was fixed (vehicles were not taking damage at all before), it might be a bit too much but we're working on finding the right balance

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Hopefully in the next patch / hotfix, a vehicle's durability can be made as it was in Defiance 1.0 aka D13 (technically this should be D46, according to the lore).

As a side note: I think it would be cool if Phrost (and any other Dev Team members) posted replies / info on the forum too. The forum has been around a long time and I think it has been the first port of call for many players. And Discord messages are easy to miss ... especially when you have lots of players talking about a whole bunch of random stuff. :rolleyes:

Having (important) information buried on some social media / tweet / facebook dodad ... is not the best approach IMHO. In an ideal world ... I think key information should all be centralized as much as possible. Otherwise ... it's like having to read 5 newspapers instead of 1. :confused:

Thats one hell of a factory recall...

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Originally Posted by Light Energy

Hopefully in the next patch/hotfix, a vehicle's durability can be made as it was in Defiance 1.0 aka D13 (technically this should be D46, according to the lore).

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I'm hoping for the same thing. Vehicles are just too fragile in their current state.

Not only are they fragile but when they go they take all your shields, most of your health, AND leaves you standing in the middle of a group of monsters in your underpants. On the flipside I'm getting pretty good at dodging "pedestrians".

Would it not have been simpler to put some kind of " Hit box " around the outsides of the Arkfalls that simply de spawned your vehicle once you got close to it. Would have been better than this current mess, the damn wind blows you explode XD.

can someone explain to me how the **** am I supposed to do those races when my vehicle get blown every god damn second? like what the **** man? Npc inside the checkpoints or or just inside tunnels make it impossible to get a silver/bronze trophy, let alone complete the race.

This is all because of cry babies who asked for a nerf "oh nerf those vehicles, can shot a thing when everyone driving around the arkfall".........

Do pursuit on foot as i hit some helbug or other crap driving.

It’s just ridiculous at this point, any kind of driving is a risk. How do they expect new players unfamiliar with Trion supposed to react when they get their brand new runner and a second later a skittering crossing the road blows it up?

Things worked fine with vehicles in OLDefiance, though I too would appreciate a “nuke anything within an event circle”, just switch it back to that.

Well, if the goal is to keep people from just plowing through enemies for easy kills...what genius said "Hey, lets make vehicles just explode if they touch any mob" instead of "Hey, maybe we should lower vehicle damage so the don't one-shot mobs".

I mean the end result is not being able to plow through enemies in both cases, but one lets you still use vehicles to travel. Rocket science.

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Originally Posted by Moshpet

Maybe if people were not abusing the vehicle in arkfalls, this would not have needed to be implemented. However, they were being abused, and well when abuse happens it will be corrected to one extreme or another. Maybe if you got on the idiots abusing the system, this would not have needed to be corrected.

Frankly, if I had my way, if you got into the arkfall small circles with your vehicle would have been nuked with a 5 minute respawn.

Note: Driving around in an arkfall running over things does not allow loot to drop from those kills. So no you are not helping anyone, even as you might protest otherwise.

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The hate is deep with this one lol
Seriously though yes several of us did this and blowing up a vehicle near a Arkfall siege or mission should cause it to blow up. Not so much random events on the road you cant avoid. Loot did drop from running things over. I have collected enough to know that. A 5 minute respawn is ridiculous to even consider. However, a death penalty would be ok where you would have to be rehealed or respawn is perfectly acceptable. I am not attacking the poster just his idea of punishment.

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Originally Posted by clubside360

Just getting near an “enemy” destroys your vehicle:

https://youtu.be/OxfYCSIKDkM

http://youtu.be/OxfYCSIKDkM

Driving is essentially useless at the moment as encounters in the middle of the road of wandering enemies can blow you up out of nowhere.

First they’re indestructible, now worthless. Great balancing!

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Try driving over a chicken ! :D *facepalms*

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Originally Posted by bada55dragon

what do you mean made out of balsa wood its more like tissue paper i ran over a CHICKEN during a time trial and the vehicle was blown up... i recorded it and posted in on xbox live if you wanna check it out my gt is the same as my username on here...

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I was thinking last night "doing those time trials is going to be so frustrating, maybe the vehicles are immune in the time trials" ...


thanks for dashing that hope. :P

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Originally Posted by Morningstation

The hate is deep with this one lol
Seriously though yes several of us did this and blowing up a vehicle near a Arkfall siege or mission should cause it to blow up. Not so much random events on the road you cant avoid. Loot did drop from running things over. I have collected enough to know that. A 5 minute respawn is ridiculous to even consider. However, a death penalty would be ok where you would have to be rehealed or respawn is perfectly acceptable. I am not attacking the poster just his idea of punishment.

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Also why people did it is because there wer only 1 other player IF YOU WER LUCKY!!!
So in the end you just have to mount up or be killed over and over again...

Ofcourse does loot drop if someone hits the mob and you kill it he gets the loot and that is the point behind it.
But instead of fixing the issues (lag, DC, "US SERVER BY DEFAULT" shadows etc...) they would have gotten a lot further than to just nerf the vehicles. It is not like it didn't explode at higher levels because it did.

Desperado love your quote.