Who said we needed a Nerf to That's That?

I certainly pointed out the flaws in thats that.... and there are still flaws with it especially using the Demo class and the world will hate me for it but here ya go: https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/o0-dagnome-0o/video/56367079

That's that was weak in terms of DPS even before. Now it's kinda laughable. It hits hard but it hits slow. You do twice more damage with any other weapon into single target.

PVP comments should be just ignored in games like this. They only ruin things for no reason. If their problem is with hard hits, sniper rifles are next to be eradicated from the game. Then pistols. Then skills.

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Originally Posted by Dagnome

I certainly pointed out the flaws in thats that.... and there are still flaws with it especially using the Demo class and the world will hate me for it but here ya go: https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/o0-dagnome-0o/video/56367079

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It's a class made around explosives, and those dark matter are weak, seems balanced to me.

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Originally Posted by Jerrmy12

It's a class made around explosives, and those dark matter are weak, seems balanced to me.

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You should not be able to one shot an enemy approx 200 plvl above you when they are fully shielded using no nano's what so ever, call me crazy but that seems silly. I just ran a co-op with my medic using Thats that, with no dmg boosts from bot, and I have to say while I did notice a slight dmg difference it was still not a big enough margin for me to say that the demolitionist class was the soul reason as to why I still felt a bit OP with it. Either way, my past and current concerns have been brought to light so it is up to Trion as to what they want to do with it using everyone else's feedback as well.

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Originally Posted by Elenoe

That's that was weak in terms of DPS even before. Now it's kinda laughable. It hits hard but it hits slow. You do twice more damage with any other weapon into single target.

PVP comments should be just ignored in games like this. They only ruin things for no reason. If their problem is with hard hits, sniper rifles are next to be eradicated from the game. Then pistols. Then skills.

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If you look at the Pursuits section under the "competitive multiplayer" tab you will see that "PVP" is actually a necessary part of the game given that progress in the mode unlocks vehicles,titles,completes echelon contracts, and overall earns you hunter requisition points. So if people were not intended to comment about "PVP" why does a "competitive multiplayer" tab even exist? Their should only be two ways to kill a player in a single hit, with a head shot or a melee power attack minus any damage negation effects of course.

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Originally Posted by Dagnome

You should not be able to one shot an enemy approx 200 plvl above you when they are fully shielded using no nano's what so ever, call me crazy but that seems silly. I just ran a co-op with my medic using Thats that, with no dmg boosts from bot, and I have to say while I did notice a slight dmg difference it was still not a big enough margin for me to say that the demolitionist class was the soul reason as to why I still felt a bit OP with it. Either way, my past and current concerns have been brought to light so it is up to Trion as to what they want to do with it using everyone else's feedback as well.

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You must be new to the series?

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Originally Posted by Dagnome

You should not be able to one shot an enemy approx 200 plvl above you when they are fully shielded using no nano's what so ever, call me crazy but that seems silly. I just ran a co-op with my medic using Thats that, with no dmg boosts from bot, and I have to say while I did notice a slight dmg difference it was still not a big enough margin for me to say that the demolitionist class was the soul reason as to why I still felt a bit OP with it. Either way, my past and current concerns have been brought to light so it is up to Trion as to what they want to do with it using everyone else's feedback as well.

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Assassins can still 1-shot units with Big Bang fully charged headshot on most fodder units at such a small pr difference, but yes.

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Originally Posted by Dagnome

You should not be able to one shot an enemy approx 200 plvl above you when they are fully shielded using no nano's what so ever, call me crazy but that seems silly. I just ran a co-op with my medic using Thats that, with no dmg boosts from bot, and I have to say while I did notice a slight dmg difference it was still not a big enough margin for me to say that the demolitionist class was the soul reason as to why I still felt a bit OP with it. Either way, my past and current concerns have been brought to light so it is up to Trion as to what they want to do with it using everyone else's feedback as well.

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My regular guns kill those dark matter fast, and can engage multiple targets, so it's not op at all.

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Originally Posted by Dagnome

You should not be able to one shot an enemy approx 200 plvl above you when they are fully shielded using no nano's what so ever, call me crazy but that seems silly.

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Jesus! So my sniper rifle is already on the list. I KNEW IT!

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Originally Posted by Dagnome

You should not be able to one shot an enemy approx 200 plvl above you when they are fully shielded using no nano's what so ever, call me crazy but that seems silly. I just ran a co-op with my medic using Thats that, with no dmg boosts from bot, and I have to say while I did notice a slight dmg difference it was still not a big enough margin for me to say that the demolitionist class was the soul reason as to why I still felt a bit OP with it. Either way, my past and current concerns have been brought to light so it is up to Trion as to what they want to do with it using everyone else's feedback as well.

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dark matter are extremely weak to explosive weps and you are hitting crits. there was nothing op about shooting dark matter one shot.

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Originally Posted by Lyokira

Assassins can still 1-shot units with Big Bang fully charged headshot on most fodder units at such a small pr difference, but yes.

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I do that with regular sniper rifle as assault without any support skill or perk. Just twice as fast then That's that because I don't have 3s between shots.

That's that was not good for dark matters. It was good for bugs as those come in numbers. But that's ruined now as well.

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Originally Posted by Elenoe

I do that with regular sniper rifle as assault without any support skill or perk. Just twice as fast then That's that because I don't have 3s between shots.

That's that was not good for dark matters. It was good for bugs as those come in numbers. But that's ruined now as well.

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Yes, but Big Bang will still 1-shot at a higher PR difference than regular snipers, because of the charge mechanic effectively more than doubling its base damage, along with it's innate damage bonus. Granted regular snipers would get off more shots per second.

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Originally Posted by Destromathe

That's That was far superior to every other rocket launcher in terms of flat DPS values. It has been brought down around 10% to be more in line (but still slightly superior with Mastery unlocks). PvP was in no way the reason for this decision. After thorough testing and live data, the weapon is simply too strong to provide any alternative for a best use rocket launcher.

Balance is of paramount importance in an MMO, and we should continue to see That's That be used by players as a premium rocket launcher choice. However the design philosophy behind prototypes is not that they are better than every other weapon, it is simply that they offer a different kind of gameplay. Max enhanced legendary weapons should still compete damage wise.

It is for these reasons that we brought That's That to be more in line with this philosophy.

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You guys made the rocket travel waaaaay to slow, terrible decision.

Since you're so focused on balance when will enemies be balanced? Next stream I would like to see you lot go do Motherlode just so you see how great the balancing is...

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Originally Posted by Chump Norris

You guys made the rocket travel waaaaay to slow, terrible decision.

Since you're so focused on balance when will enemies be balanced? Next stream I would like to see you lot go do Motherlode just so you see how great the balancing is...

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Motherload isn't THAT bad if you have a balanced team, since he's easy to keep in one spot for the first two phases.

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Originally Posted by Lyokira

Motherload isn't THAT bad if you have a balanced team, since he's easy to keep in one spot for the first two phases.

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Can you beat it in 5 minutes or know of anyone that has?

They should nerf all of the prototypes if that's the case. Why Nerf weapons every single person will get? Only because those that want to run cloak and a shotty are getting slapped. So they run to the forums for help. Cant fool anyone its same people that cried about grls to trion.

I've only fought 2 different co-op map bosses so I can't say what the average fight time should be, nor have I fought in an optimized team.

Separately, I seem to get mostly motherlode maps for some reason...

Well That's that is nowhere near the craziness of bonesaw and auger, but I'm sure they are adjusting those too. There are still a lot of problems with the PR scaling that need to be adjusted. Had a clanmate who was able somehow to take close to no damage from the monolith by somehow swapping his gear around ( I didn't press him to explain, because I had no interest in glitching ). Meanwhile I get one shot from anything he fires at me ( yes the monolith was 50 below my PR ).

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Originally Posted by Lyokira

I've only fought 2 different co-op map bosses so I can't say what the average fight time should be, nor have I fought in an optimized team.

Separately, I seem to get mostly motherlode maps for some reason...

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Well I saw a screenshot of someones pursuits on PS4 and they had the 5 minute part of the pursuit ticked off, seems it is possible just no idea how...

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Originally Posted by Destromathe

That's That was far superior to every other rocket launcher in terms of flat DPS values. It has been brought down around 10% to be more in line (but still slightly superior with Mastery unlocks). PvP was in no way the reason for this decision. After thorough testing and live data, the weapon is simply too strong to provide any alternative for a best use rocket launcher.

Balance is of paramount importance in an MMO, and we should continue to see That's That be used by players as a premium rocket launcher choice. However the design philosophy behind prototypes is not that they are better than every other weapon, it is simply that they offer a different kind of gameplay. Max enhanced legendary weapons should still compete damage wise.

It is for these reasons that we brought That's That to be more in line with this philosophy.

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IF this is the case why is BONESAW not fixed? Sure seems like if people arent using them to dominate PVP the OP weapons arent a problem in TRIONS eyes....IF balance was the real reason behind ruining THATS THAT the BONESAW should have already been fixed!