Bulwarks .. how to

I'm noob, this is no pro guide, just showing very basic tactics since there seems to be too many people having problems even with one of those.

They have shield.. use electric ammo whenever possible. If you don't have electric, use NONE. DON'T use fire or corrosive at least.

Make sure you hit them with at least one bullet every 5s, when when running away or shooting snipers..



1) basic tactics - HIDE (all classes)
this is plain raw fight. No skills. Used SMG with lowest dmg/ammo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjujex4GrUE



2) range/sniper - they will miss (all classes)
at first half of video there is safe distance they will miss rockets and cannon attacks. Just go left/right when they shoot. It's usable outside, especially when you (or them) can't hide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxZQ1LbexT4



3) use your class and tools
every class has something to help. This is where it goes if use class skills (assault in this case), perks and pulse grenade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRE5_xyw3lM

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Originally Posted by Elenoe

pulse grenade

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Basically this because it's the most practical and effective.

Changing ammo types is a hassle.

not really, it takes 2s to change weapon for the right one. And the whole zones have the same type of enemy.

Dude I've been having a heck of a time, one i can take down no problem. it takes some time but using damage over time nades and using that pulse thing that freezes enemys and itll eventually go down but when they pair em up and the second you get rid of one and go after the other then boom another spawns its enough to make me like "well screw this then" haha. Also how in the world does one obtain electric ammo? lol

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Originally Posted by Spuds82

Dude I've been having a heck of a time, one i can take down no problem. it takes some time but using damage over time nades and using that pulse thing that freezes enemys and itll eventually go down but when they pair em up and the second you get rid of one and go after the other then boom another spawns its enough to make me like "well screw this then" haha. Also how in the world does one obtain electric ammo? lol

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It's a dropped mod.

Best way to kill a bulwark - 5 seconds or less

Use a Detonator or Rocket launcher at your ego (ofc) Fully mod all mod slots with max damage/reload
Add the new nano that bypasses shields on the magazine mod slot
Use Demolitionist class with the mini clusters
Put 5 points in rocket launcher reload speed or Detonator damage (based on choice)

- Activate detonator skill with mini clusters
- Shoot entire clip at bulwark - reload - repeat until dead

For an easier time, right before activating skill use the electric stun grenade to avoid damage!
Mini clusters dont do a whole lot of damage, but bypassing shield with rocket/detonator and the mini clusters is enough in 5-10 shots

WARNING
Skill time is incredibly short, while enough to kill 1, please hide for 40 seconds before reactivating for multiple encounters
WARNING

Lol , most don’t have demolitionist . Draw one a little away from the other , electric to strip shields , anything else afterwards . If no electric use quantum , if no quantum just use no nano .
Let’s face it , your most likely going to die a few times , don’t fret . You can always ask a friend or clanmate or even in zone for help .
Don’t use burst guns ... 1 because they suck
2 because it’s a pain to keep sustainable gun fire

You should do this Videos when you will be 5k PS... when your character is fully geared up... Also you fight them 1vs1, when mostly player is forced to fight 1vs2 in the best case, also player with 1k PS, who is forced to meet that enemies, cos he just can't progress the game without spending $$$, can have same equipment to fight such broken enemies, as 2500 PS player will have. Your videos only prove that this enemies are gamebraking and should be fixed, that they have no real tactics or mechanics and that makes them boring and annoying.

Tbh, you videos, tactics and ratings just prove that Bulwarks are gamebraking and should be fixed for solo and story missions in the game... For group-play OK, Bullet Sponge annoying enemies is not something new in MO games, but pushing 800-1000 PS players to fight against x4 2000+ PS Elite enemy, is kinda bad game-design, especially when such enemies in solo and story missions are as same powerful as you fight them with 4+ player group...

In short, Bulwarks are just banal boring Bullet Sponges as many Elite and Boss enemies in this game.

ok, sure, I get it. I never was at 1k. Make sense. And I've only spent money on inventory pack and key capacity when we couldn't spend it and they kept pilling.

If you think you will get better gear at 2.5k, read a bit more around the forum. The other half of posts besides hard to impossible enemies are about progression :)

Pulse nades was really the key for me... it was easy after that... well one is.. two is still too hard and 3 fuggetaboutit lol

Do not get it personal, I'm just angry a little, but Problem of such enemies is that people need to path them when they are doing Story and other missions, most of them in solo, and when 1k PS player meet enemy like Bulwark, who is 2k PS and have 4+5 skulls, then it's not a fun, you know.
They are not really hard, when you meet them 1vs1 or if you are almost same PS with them, also at 2k PS you have quite better stats on equipment and have some more bonus stats to fight them.
So I want to say, that they should rebalance them for Story and Progression Quests, which mostly people do in solo.

And most annoying is when you fight them, run around, but if they did not hit you in X amount of time, then they just Wiping out and running away, to fully heal and then come back on full HP and Shields, but player with 1000 PS, who have not more than 1200 Vitality, can't stay over 900DPS with 1.5k damage rockets, when 2k PS player have not less than 2500 Vitality, and Bulwarks on 2700 deal just 100 damage more, in compare to 2000 ones, so on 1000 PS player mostly will be oneshoted, when on 2500 player will stand 2.5 times more hits...
And that's why mostly people are forced to ask for help in chat to make quests which are written as for a single Ark Hunter... Yea, people can help you, but it's not fun playing game against banal and boring Bullet Sponges when not you are really doing that quests...
You can overgrind gear in world, but till you will finish the Story quests, you will not have access to some very important mechanics, such as choosing specific Co-op Map and not stuck on random... And it's not the only annoying restriction which require to finish Story quests as minimum... Will say nothing about quests to start doing Daily quests and Arenas...
It's a bad game-design and it's a fact.

How are you doing so much damage? I'm around 2100 and my assault rifle only shoots enemies for around 160.. I'm using a 2000 PR weapon, however it's only enhanced up to 10 out of the 25.

I still find Blacklungs more annoying than Bulwarks.
The problem does not lie with those enemies in particular, more with the mobs that constantly interrupt us allowing them to regenerate shields.
Excruciating reload times, low count of ammo in AR clips, etc, etc, its the sum of many factors that are making these encounters not fun.
So, to me, anyone that defends it's ok doing an event (soloing) with 100 plus enemies that you kill in a normal fashion of the time and, in the middle of that 100 plus enemies you have 2 of them that takes alone 4 or 5 times more to kill than the other 100 plus, sorry but no I can't agree with these people.

Nowadays Defiance 2050 resembles more with a game of "extractions" than anything else.
The game is not fun anymore, it´s sweat all the time.

The only time I've found quantum ammo sorta useful was slapping it on that double barrel shotgun that fires both barrels at once (requires reload each time you fire). I aim for the (shielded) rocket pods and usually its enough to stun them. Then I just sort of repeat. It gets a bit tricky when there are more than 1 tho.

While your tactics are sound you shouldnt have to go thru all this. The key evidence that the bulwarks are overpowered/shielded is still the Alamo mission. The 4 of them can solo the Alamo without you firing a single shot, and they can complete it in 6 minutes. As allies they're insanely over powered, that means as enemies they are too.

i dont remember seeing a perk on demolitionist that increases det damage, theres one for fire rate, but not a flat out damage perk, i may be wrong

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Originally Posted by Xelluse

Problem of such enemies is that people need to path them when they are doing Story and other missions, most of them in solo, and when 1k PS player meet enemy like Bulwark, who is 2k PS and have 4+5 skulls

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in reality this doesn't really happen. Or at least need not. The bulwarks you meet are at 1.3k or whatever you are when you meet them. The actual problem when 1.3k player meet 2k bulwark is not what the game put you into.

I've met 5 skulls bulwark when I was 1.2k or something, first one ever. But that's because I've reached 50 and did 7th legion quest while still being in Marin story/progress. And the 7th legion eventually lead me to SF. It was obvious I shouldn't go there. But it was "just a peek". Dark matter soldiers on the bridge kept dying to two head shots even with 5 skulls so I just pushed it further and further "until it stops me". When they hit, it hurts, but they didn't at distance I was killing them. So eventually met the bulwark. It was clear it's unkillable. But I didn't blame the game. I shouldn't be there at all. Fortunately for me you don't need to kill that one. Just wait 4minutes and not being killed which wasn't hard really and run away when mission ended.

The only other place you will meet 5 skulls bulwark is if you go into SF below 2k. Going there for a main story at 1.2k... you are doing something terribly wrong from the start. Like speed running storymode or something.

I think the first bulwarks player meet is on the dam and near the shack behind the dam. And those are scaled to you.

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Originally Posted by Xelluse

also at 2k PS you have quite better stats on equipment and have some more bonus stats to fight them.

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you won't really. That's only illusion. Only numbers seems higher. The effort, shield and bullets are the same. That's just that.

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Originally Posted by Xelluse

So I want to say, that they should rebalance them for Story and Progression Quests, which mostly people do in solo.

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maybe, but until they do, you can only decide if you use options you have or you put your effort into looking for all the reasons in the world why it's not even possible to try :)

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Originally Posted by Xelluse

And most annoying is when you fight them, run around, but if they did not hit you in X amount of time, then they just Wiping out and running away, to fully heal

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they never did that to me. They only return if they travel beyond their distance. Never time. They will stay behind the corner for all eternity, or when I was circling the one I mentioned for minutes. They never give up. Only if you lure them far away, they will return and replenish immediately.

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Originally Posted by Xelluse

but player with 1000 PS, who have not more than 1200 Vitality, can't stay over 900DPS with 1.5k damage rockets, when 2k PS player have not less than 2500 Vitality, and Bulwarks on 2700 deal just 100 damage more, in compare to 2000 ones, so on 1000 PS player mostly will be oneshoted, when on 2500 player will stand 2.5 times more hits...

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scaling doesn't work like that. It doesn't matter at all if you are 1000 or 2500. Not at all. The difference will be with skulls. If you face bulwark with 5 skulls, you won't have enough ammo to kill him :) no matter PR. If he doesn't have skulls doesn't matter if you are 1k or 3k. The fight will look the same. As long as you don't break the rule mentioned above and you don't go where you shouldn't go yet.

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Originally Posted by Xelluse

And that's why mostly people are forced to ask for help in chat...

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asking for help is not bad. I would do it. If I met problem I couldn't handle in few tries. Never happened (and nobody helps me get gold in time trials, the only thing I can spend hour with minimum progress :) ) Soloed everything. And never felt frustrated. Bulwarks are "rare", it was always challenging. I don't remember names exact names of missions.

But for example I've never faced three bulwarks at once. Ever. If there were more of them I've never was stupid to agro them all or I don't know. Also not everything needs to be killed. There was plenty spawns after mission objective shifted far away already. So don't know. If I can't face three at once (which sounds hard) then I will rather do something so there is no need to. I really don't remember now the place where there are three spawned at the very same place with me expected to kill them "bare handed".

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Originally Posted by Xelluse

You can overgrind gear in world, but till you will finish the Story quests, you will not have access to some very important mechanics, such as choosing specific Co-op Map and not stuck on random...

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grind won't make you much stronger if ever. And once you have 2k you can do all the quests/arenas and everything pretty uninterrupted. If you are below 2k, just doing main quest until you reach SF border where you are supposed to be 2k. I was.

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Originally Posted by sephiroth1

i dont remember seeing a perk on demolitionist that increases det damage, theres one for fire rate, but not a flat out damage perk, i may be wrong

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the highest active skill, the one that does cluster bomb from every explosive.

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Originally Posted by Darknessss

The key evidence that the bulwarks are overpowered/shielded is still the Alamo mission.

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first, again, that's not the "key". You keep looking for why it's impossible and live in naive world made of your wishes how it should look like :) Make a wish for rainbow unicorns if you want :) I deal with reality as it is. Choosing things I CAN decide.

second, that's no evidence of anything really. I played game or two in my life. And most bosses I'm used to kill would won the fight against anything below them. Remember cyber demons in first Dooms? They wrecked the level as well. Then I killed them. That's because I'm human and they are stupid scripted AI.

You think that just because boss has insta-kill ability which I can interrupt or loose LOS to avoid but it would eradicate hundred of trash mobs just because they are stupid to hide and won't use interrupt skill, that boss is overpowered and unkillable?

Not sure what mission that Alamo is, doesn't ring the bell, but is it surprising that mob that actually has strong attack to kill you if you don't dodge (which you obviously do) will eradicate other mobs who simply don't dodge? And are shooting so lamely that even my own shield gets regenerated even when I'm under fire from 3 of those?

So yeah, if player posses intelligence and abilities of damn dark matter soldier then I guess they've found a proof of non beatable bulwark. I would say that any co-op boss would do the same thing to trash mobs. Doesn't prove they are hard. Just that they are meant for human players and that lower NPCs are designed to die when they are facing overwhelming force 1 to 15 when they meet me.

But back to beginning. The decision you or I can make is not if or how they should be changed. The only thing we can decide is HOW to deal with them as they are now.

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But back to beginning. The decision you or I can make is not if or how they should be changed. The only thing we can decide is HOW to deal with them as they are now.

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...at the moment, most player don't do coops... fighting a boss in a coop for 10-20 minutes is a joke at ourt costs.

Doing a coop without ark keys - is a joke at our costs. In the last days no loot droped in coops for me, except some salvage at the end.

Doing contracts is a joke at ours costs... well i hated time trials / rampage / hotshops and the other new contracts in old defiance and did it there only once for pursuits. Then never again.

Remove salvage from the random worlddrop list, is a ... never mind... i think it's over.


No fun for us = no money for trion. That's it!

then quit and never return. Or stay and bare it all. That choice is on you noone else.

YOU not US. Stop speaking for others, let alone "most", to make it sound like it has more weight. They have their own voice.

Speak for yourself and yourself only. If you are unsure with your own voice, do something about it or deal with it. Hiding behind "others" and "most" and "we (all)" makes you look weak.

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Originally Posted by Elenoe

then quit and never return. Or stay and bare it all. That choice is on you noone else.

YOU not US. Stop speaking for others, let alone "most", to make it sound like it has more weight. They have their own voice.

Speak for yourself and yourself only. If you are unsure with your own voice, do something about it or deal with it. Hiding behind "others" and "most" and "we (all)" makes you look weak.

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And yet you're telling us how to play the game even though most of us have been playing the game much longer than you guys even knew it existed. The Alamo is the mission where you activate 4 bulwarks to defend a monolith while you hack it. It spawns literally hundreds of dark matter up to 20-30 at a time it used to be that you had to help the bulwarks kill them all but now you can sit back take a sip of tea while the builwarks curbstomp making the mission rediculously boring as you don't have to do anything!

When expos come out I'll be here waiting to hear back from you that they're not op, instead of it being heaven sent it will just be sent to heaven!

Pulse grenade (use the assault class with fast grenade recharge) shoot shield with electric ammo (mod) run around once they revive then lob another pulse grenade rinse and repeat after shields are down just shoot them.

Pretty much works for most things in game.

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Originally Posted by Elenoe

in reality this doesn't really happen. Or at least need not. The bulwarks you meet are at 1.3k or whatever you are when you meet them. The actual problem when 1.3k player meet 2k bulwark is not what the game put you into.

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Lie, I was ~950 when go to SF with all possible Side Quests Finished, and all Bulwarks were 1800-2200 Power... And almost all with 4-5 skulls...

Btw, you also lied that 2k do not give enough survivability in compare to 1k, I became 1950 and my survivability against same enemies in same Missions, Arenas and Quests increased more than just twice (enemies do not scale that much anymore as in Original Defiance, so Power gives player a big advantage against enemies), also I deal x3 times more damage with modded weapons just with Green mods (Blue mods will give even more power)... In short, my overall combat effectiveness increased more than 3-times, when Bulwarks Power increased from 2k, to 2.2k, so there is huge difference between 950 vs 1800-2000 and between 1950 vs 2200 Power level, also more options are open for player and more gear. Also 1000 Power player have 1200 Vitality max, when 2000 Power player have 3500+ Vitality with regular shields... While Enemies in mission do not scale that much...
So yes, pushing players to do missions where they will meet much, Much stronger enemies than their Character is Bad Game-Design... And it's a Push, cos when you hit SF, you have no more other missions to do to complete Story quests and Story quests are required to open different game-options, like as example is Co-op Mission Direct Registration... SO there is a choice - Stay on main island and grind Arkfalls or Sieges, which do not spawn regularly and from where, on that levels, you get 1-3 Green items, or go to SF and continue doing Story missions where you will meet 3-4 times more powerful Bullet Sponges... Good, that in most missions you can just ignore them, just do mission and run, but there are some missions where you just can't avoid that enemies and in most of them that enemies have 4-5 Skulls, but because the reasons, this game do not have enough players, so there will be no one who do same mission with you, or you are sent to instanced area, in missions, which are created and written in way, like you are the Only Arkhunter there, Story tells you that you fight solo, against enemies balanced for 4+ players... And will forget, that that enemies do not scale with Player number in group, so 4 player party is fighting same Power enemy there, as a solo player...

Just to compare - in some Story missions enemies are at same Effective Power, as same enemies in Arkfalls with 20+ players at the same time, in short, player spend same time to kill Enemy in that missions, as soloing same enemy in Arkfalls where 20+ players are running around... Greatest balance, and Greatest challenge, when that enemies are just banal and Simple Bullet Sponges, have no real Mechanics and no real Fun to fight against them, like Bulwarks... yes, they are Boring and Annoying on Lower levels, and Just Boring on Higher, they do not have Mechanics (hiding behind something is not mechanics) and their tactics is - Forget about Story Quests, where Story tells you, that something very important is happening and you need to be Immediately in place X to fight enemies, and Just Grind more Power Level........
They were balanced for Enemy Scale System in Original Defiance, in D2050 they just Copy-pasted them, delete Scaling System away and made them as powerful as in 4+ Player combat in Original game... This is why they are broken... They were boring in Original game and they are still boring, but now, even annoying if you play Story missions without overgrinding Events before...

And will repeat, that I'm not talking about Dungeon enemies, or about enemies in Co-op or World Event activities, where such things will be understandable, but I'm talking about Story Missions, which are written, like you are the Only Arkhunter there, so for Soloing...
And as I say before, it's not fun playing against Banal Bullet Sponges, especially when not you are doing this Story Missions, in short, when someone else is doing them for you... Yea, best and Atmospheric Story and Game Design... [Sarcasm]

So, to protect your "cleaver" guide you start even speculating, lying and taking words out of context.... Especially without properly reading the text.. As example -
My comment: "And that's why mostly people are forced to ask for help in chat to make quests which are written as for a single Ark Hunter... Yea, people can help you, but it's not fun playing game against banal and boring Bullet Sponges when not you are really doing that quests..."
Your comment: "asking for help is not bad. I would do it. If I met problem I couldn't handle in few tries"
And this are just two examples of many...
I just do not know, facepalm or laugh...?... :confused: