Nerfing guns that sucked from the start

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Originally Posted by Zoridium JackL

which still put most of them behind my pump, with few doing more damage, barely even close to enough to even think about justifying the trade-off.

if it's not OHKing most standard enemies and almost OHKing most other things it isn't doing nearly enough .

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I don't think you have ever fired one and looked at the damage side by side.

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Originally Posted by Schwa

Of all the PVE changes, I have to admit the LMG nerf was needed... for certain LMGs. Too much content could be completed using ONLY that weapon.

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I disagree. A lot of content can be done with AR only. Even with the falloff, a SMG can do the trick pretty nicely to ! So what ? When we have a weapon that works fine we need to nerf it ? That's balance ? Having only meh weapons because we are scared to have a nice one ?
The saw was fine. Yes it was a powerful weapon, but it wasn't op. Nerf it, and everyone will play with an AR. Then they'll nerf AR. Then the next weapon in line, until you get back to LMG, and start nerfing again.

So why is everyone crying? This game does what most can't and makes damage more focused on a build rather than getting some gun in game! It's a challenge and frankly is more fun that just getting the best weapon and owning everything. On top of that, few guns are getting nerfed. The sawed off I'm not concerned with, nor anything else.

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Originally Posted by Rhorge

I don't think you have ever fired one and looked at the damage side by side.

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I fire every single one I find, in case you haven't noticed I would very much like to replace my pump with one, they fit my usual play style so much better and I much prefer the aesthetic, but every single time they have been practically useless, my pump has out performed them in every aspect which is very disappointing.

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Originally Posted by RHA Defiled

So why is everyone crying? This game does what most can't and makes damage more focused on a build rather than getting some gun in game! It's a challenge and frankly is more fun that just getting the best weapon and owning everything. On top of that, few guns are getting nerfed. The sawed off I'm not concerned with, nor anything else.

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basically since they aren't touching the guns you like or that fit your build you're happy? if only everybody was you, and the major complaint is they are nerfing things which aren't the most powerful, which is the fastest way to make those guns that are more important then your build.

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Originally Posted by Jeronan

I am just baffled that in this day (year 2013) they are still unable to Balance (nerf) stuff for PVP only! without hurting PVE!

So everyone is going to run around with LMG's coming 15th! I was already using it as primary weapon, but now I have even less reason to switch!

Just stupid! Devs never learn!

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My guess is you are running around with a SAW which is currently rather ridiculous in dmg output. that one will be nerfed. the other LMGs are kinda **** in comparison to the saw. Those will get buffs. :-)

i always felt that they should isolate the PvE weps from PvP weps... maybe have an armory at the beginning of PvP that you select PvP weps from would be a solution

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Originally Posted by velvet

So our first big game patch will nerf most guns in the game........in PVE

Why don't the just hand us a plastic space blaster so we can shoot foam balls at the baddies.......

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Your statement is incorrect. Few guns were actually nerfed. Sawed off shotguns were ( but not the many other shotgun types/models which are numerous). Some of the launchers have had their damage lowered (I never use them anyways), While most LMG's were buffed, only one was slightly nerfed (The FRC LMG now has a lower rate of fire). The only nerf I disagree with (at least in PVE) is nerfing the infectors... Pistols, combat shotguns, pumpshotgus, assault rifles, Sub machine guns, etc. were not nerfed so it would seem (rough guess?) that less than maybe 10 % were nerfed.

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Originally Posted by Mechman

Your statement is incorrect. Few guns were actually nerfed. Sawed off shotguns were ( but not the many other shotgun types/models which are numerous). Some of the launchers have had their damage lowered (I never use them anyways), While most LMG's were buffed, only one was slightly nerfed (The FRC LMG now has a lower rate of fire). The only nerf I disagree with (at least in PVE) is nerfing the infectors... Pistols, combat shotguns, pumpshotgus, assault rifles, Sub machine guns, etc. were not nerfed so it would seem (rough guess?) that less than maybe 10 % were nerfed.

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just wait when everyone flocks to other guns instead
next patch NERF

That what they did in rift

it will be weapon of the week/month nerfs until everything goes to hell

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Originally Posted by Karzak

just wait when everyone flocks to other guns instead
next patch NERF

That what they did in rift

it will be weapon of the week/month nerfs until everything goes to hell

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Yeah this seems to happen in nearly all mmo's, problem is that with most of these nerfs is they only really affect pvp and therefore pve gets shafted as usual :(