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So I have been messing around with various guns. Launcher is meh, Detonators are average at best. Pistols just seem horrible. Some auto rifles are bleh.
I am sure I am missing something here but I see zero usage for a pistol.
Low capacity of ammo, range damage is weak and I only see a single target use when up close, might as well use a shotgun for that.
So what am I missing in using a Pistol?
Seems Assault rifle is the best next comes sniper rifles, SMG uses too much ammo too fast.
Snipe from the shadows pursuit 3.... Thats all I'm using the pistol for atm
^This is the only reason I can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashnon
I agree. The drop off damage and low ammo pool (not clip size), make pistols useless. The only conceivable reason to equip a pistol is as a back up if you run out of ammo, but ammo is so easy to get that it isn't even a good reason.
Variety?
I can speak from personal experience that the Wolfhound and perhaps even the other 7 Round Standard Pistols destroy enemies if you consistently land head shots. They're challenging and rewarding.
Perhaps they'd be more useful if they had an extremely short weapon swap time compared to the other weapons. But that's just not the case as it stands.
Pistols are sidearms. What they're meant for is finishing off a target. Like, you mag dump on a target and it's close to death but not dead. Rather than wait for a reload you just quick swap to your pistol and finish your target.
I use a Wolfhound as my primary sidearm and employ it in nearly every single encounter in this fashion. Y'all need to stop treating this game like WoW or LOTRO or GW2 or any other completely banal and trite themepark MMORPG, IMO.
Defiance is not some tab-to-target fantasy game with RPG combat; this is a shooter. You'll need to treat it as such to understand it.
Pistols are for Critical Kills.
Yeah, except I can switch to a shotgun and do the same thing, only easier. Y'all need to stop assuming other players don't know what they're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cavadus
Pistols suck and you think people are treating this game like WoW.....? Gf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cavadus
You could switch to a shotgun or just reload and say screw the pistol
With an Ammo Reserve increase Pistols will be perfectly fine main weapons. I use a Pistol in my first slot, and the only issue I have is running out of ammo. but then again, I'm building myself around Pistol use(lots of Crit-related perks.), not just using one all willy nilly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cavadus
You need to stop treating this game like it is Call of Duty or Battlefield or some other completely banal and trite match based FPS. It doesn't have to be all Assault Rifles and Shotguns, just because you say it does.
you just haven't found the right pistol. i have one pistol that's freaking awesome. i knocked enemies to the ground. which is good if you need a place to recover. smg use to much ammo. but take out enemies quick. but i have the ammo regen perk equipped which comes in handy quite a bit for that situation.
Yes I'm sick of know it all's on a game that is brand new.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shogo_Yahagi
Pistols have better falloff, accuracy, and rate of fire in most cases so you can afford to miss once or twice; shotguns don't have that room for error built-in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shogo_Yahagi
I prefer the pistol over the shotgun as backup as I can throw a lot more lead down range much more quickly and the crits are far more severe.
Which can be done with any weapon and competent marksmanship... Or aim assist.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMadFour
Wolfhound with x4.2 crit multiplier, siphon effect, and extended magazine has been second only to a purple SMG I'm in love with for damage.
Hate to say it...but learn to play.
I actually have a few pistols I use fairly frequently. typically the wolfhound.
I like having a fast firing semi auto secondary and it has lightning on it, orange quality, 4 outlaw mods. it does the job :)
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetMadness
but I choose to do them with Pistols.
and that's the beauty of a MMO Shooter, as opposed to a regular old team deathmatch shooter where everyone has to use the same weapons.
pistol is a close range sniper rifle, meant for single(or quick burst) shot, precise crits.
every weapon has a specific use, for specific situations. a shotgun is great when you can't be precise, and/or there are more than one enemy in range. SMG is amazing burst DPS when something needs to die or there's a limited time to hit it, at the expense of ammo. launchers are usually about splash damage.
I keep lookout for the VBI HP-6 Wolfhound. With good mods and basic crit. bonus i have it doing 354 dmg with 5+ crit. mult. =)
yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by ironhands
Personally, I am growing to like the Pistol/SMG combo.
Pistol in my first slot, for precise crits, SMG in my second for when I just need to pump out a lot of Damage in a short amount of time.
Everyone and their darned Wolfhound!
I keep looking at the Blaster going, "This is why pistols have a low ammo reserve."
I guess what I am asking is why that when ther other options are as good if not better?
Sniper rifle for obvious range sniping.
Assault for mayham spraying all over...not that useful but ...
Shotgun for spray damage...
Does a Pistol do better damage to the Bug heavy mobs and boss mobs?
Pistol can be pretty amazing if you use them properly. Just requires a bit more practice / ability to land crits constantly. Also depends on the type. Some of them are pretty bad. Wolfhounds I find are my favorite.
Pistol is a short range precision weapon. Good critical multiplier and nano effects as far as I can tell, it is made to quickly drop targets with critical hits ONLY.
If you aren't critting you're wasting your ammo. With a good pistol and critting, you can annihilate enemies quickly, though the low mag cap and reserve are a concern.
Imo they need to be pulled out and readied up faster to really have a niche as a reserve weapon, or less recoil on most variants to make it a better precision weapon.
I got with a siphon 3 round burst shotty with a 25 round mag, with a downpour pulser when a biggun pops up. I really wanna put a radiation mod on the pulser, the damage would be insaneQuote:
Originally Posted by JMadFour
The EMC Magnum's are pretty decent too especially with expanded magazines or the +mag mastery bonus. I really like the one off the vendor at Hermit's Hideaway.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetMadness
That thing crits hard.
The flare gun is pretty amazing but it is getting adjusted.
You may or may not have noticed this but if you HIP SHOT a pistol (or at least the magnums) the crit bonus goes WAY up. I think a hip-head-shot from a magnum is the strongest single hit in the game, 2.5K ish.
I also used to hate pistols because most of them are useless, but that changed after I got the Northstar Flare. That thing is really good.
Put a +Mag mod in it and you can have 5 shots instead of just one and its critical hits are really powerful (that's why they are nerfing it on the next big patch). I have seen 5k crits with this weapon.
If you hit any humanoid enemy on the front while it is facing you, that's a critical hit. And you can even use this pistol to stagger the Monarchs after their roll (I really hope they change this).
The point is: try each pistol you can find and see what pleases you most. That was my case with the Northstar Flare. But I still hate the other pistols =/
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I think pistols are meant as a short to medium range sniper rifle basically (so only good for headshots). If you're just shooting blind you'll find them less effective than, well, everything else.
The Wolfhound is good but try this:
VBI HP-5 Wolverine
DMG 505
FR 12
mag 20
Get an effect on this and it is a great weapon.
See what i did there? multiple people have quouted the guy and you add to his comment? Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shogo_Yahagi
He makes a valid point without coming off like a ****. Btw burst pistols are powerful IMO
VBI HP-6 Wolfhound.. Mine hits crits for about 1500. Takes about 2 to 3 shots on any non-boss mobs I run into.
I think most of you are just doing something wrong.
I have a pistol that full autos, it can take down pretty much any enemy in the first two to waves of ArkFalls, until the elites come in. It is only a green level 350.
What are you talking about? I didn't add anything to his quote. Perhaps he edited it after I quoted him.Quote:
Originally Posted by armedpoop
Edit: I went back and looked at the thread. He has definitely edited since I quoted him. All I did was hit reply with quote. So yeah, who's the giant D bag now?
Got an Orange in my first T4 at ER 250ish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cavadus
I'm full-auto nut though.
The VBI Wolverine pistols especially with Radiation or Dark Matter do some insane base damage (505) even at medium to medium-long range and with average of 16 rounds a mag and 4 round bursts with almost no reticle bloom (that I notice anyways) they are a really good all around PVE weapon. better than single shot magnums unless you're a crack shot gunslinger and they kinda make you feel like Robocop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santana Ortega
Think it over CREEP!
My wolfhound puts out over 22k damage in under 2.5 seconds. If you don't have one of these for skitterling crystals then you don't know how to play.
Will also return to be my default monarch weapon once they nerf launchers.
pistols are good for the low bloom, and if you get a 2-3 shot autopistol or a wolfhound, they can be pretty effective damage dealers.
stick to the 480 or 520 pistols. the flare guns that do 1k are more akin to grenade pistols, so less useful imo especially with their 1-2 clip size forcing constant reloads and their firing is in an arc.
^ agree, and I am dreading having to do that because pistols are so boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shogo_Yahagi