i played a few of them just a bunch of cheats and kids online, not a fanQuote:
Originally Posted by Ape One
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i played a few of them just a bunch of cheats and kids online, not a fanQuote:
Originally Posted by Ape One
Check out the angry joe review on aliens. He sums it all up.Quote:
Originally Posted by A s0t
Thats what I tell them. They just keep putting a new paint job on the same game. Defiance is a breath of fresh air.Quote:
Originally Posted by A s0t
Thats why i quit,once the cheats get heavy i have to stop playing.But what can the dev's do when there told not to fight the cheats because they would lose sales to all the kids that have to cheat to feel like there good at the games /mini-rant.Quote:
Originally Posted by A s0t
i have a better one on TA http://www.trueachievements.com/foru...readid=3276522 page 3 torwards the bottomQuote:
Originally Posted by Ape One
The old never-ending childish epeen war. Just dont feed the trolls and they starve!
Ugh, it would be nice if Steam could get their thumbs out of their backside and moderate their forums. If they were smart, they'd realize anybody talking/trashing negatively about ANY title they sell, hurts their bottom lines. I beta'ed FireFall, and it's "okay", but honestly, it was definitely lacking in the PvE arena, it's more PvP-oriented... I'm honestly more stoked about Defiance. If memory serves correctly as well, FireFall won't be on all the major systems like Defiance; even though I know there's no cross-platforming, it'll still be nice to be able to play at one point on PC... and then later chill on your PS3 or 360 in the living room and play Defiance for the total flexibility.
Just sucks that fanboys hating are hampering the sales. I *really* want to do the pre-order on Steam (which I do believe at least comes with the red dodge challenger), simply because their tier bonuses look AWESOME. It'd be great if the sales could get high enough to get all three tiers... then you'd get a red dodge challenger, the default ATV, the bonus boosted ATV, and the tier 3 bonus truck... that'd be FOUR vehicles right from the word go. I hate to take that gamble though with the game releasing in only 3 weeks. I mean, I guess in essence the standard/base pre-order bonuses are for the most part the same irregardless if it doesn't hit any tiers... but if that's the case, I may as well just be safe and go straight through Trion. But wow, the benefits of all three tiers if the sales could just pop; the fanboy haters need to stop driving down sales though!!! :(
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Originally Posted by ZombieTech
There's no question the steam preorder bonuses are going through. I've never seen a tiered reward preorder scheme by Steam ever fail. I mean not once.
Even though I can't speak for everybody, I can speak for myself. Most my "mmo gaming" I do on PC, and honestly, I'm pretty tired/bored/sick of tab-target and "whack-a-mole, 1-8 action-bar" MMOs. FireFall is too PvP-oriented for my tastes (I did beta for it, and it is good, but it's lacking in the PvE department, and gets kind of shallow), I played Tera for about a month before I got bored of it... Tera is "open-world" but it's very "corridor-ed", you go from one place to the next doing "grind quests" of just "kill x-amount of this" and/or "get this many drop item from that mob over there" CONTINUOUSLY... making it sadly quite shallow. I won't support NeverWinter as PWI's business practices I've dealt with in the past are about as shady as they get. Wildstar looks awesome and really looking forward to it. Archeage will be awhile coming to the US, but thankfully, when it does, that will ALSO be Trion, w00t! The MMO market on PC is a ghost-town to be perfectly honest... too many developers milked the "magic formula" for the last decade or two of sword/shield medieval wash/rinse/repeat carrot-on-a-stick-grindfest... to the point most users are stuck in that mindset, and why many "alternate" MMOs don't work out. Anarchy Online was killer awesome, but even that's gone f2p and is barely hanging on; The Secret World was "alright" but ran out of playability/content in 2-3 months, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMadFour
Also, on PS3, from what I understand, FF14 has its fair share of issues I believe.
It is true that Defiance doesn't have really any competition on 360, that's because Microsoft is way to "gestapo" as far as what games they allow and the ability to "MMO"... I'm honestly kind of shocked Trion didn't hit more of a brick-wall when trying to release on 360. That does however also work against the playerbase on the 360 version; why? Because anybody really looking for MMOs, since 360 doesn't typically support them, would probably have used a PS3 or PC more, and the die-hard 360 fans are probably more for small-group shooters, racing games, sports games, single-player, etc. I'd be willing to fathom that on the 360 this might fly under the radar of many 360 players, or register on their radar and still not get that much attention. :)
You can be sure about that? The game launches in three weeks... there's 3 tiers, and they're only 15% of the way to the first tier (first notch). oOQuote:
Originally Posted by GT3000
EDIT: Also to throw out another bone on the whole FireFall vs. Defiance. I again just have to say I'd lean more towards Defiance... as it looks as though it probably runs and plays more like a true console/fast-paced action game... where, after having done beta for FireFall, at least for me, FireFall still felt like it had the "bloated coding" of a PC-based game. Nothing wrong with a PC based game mind you... but when it comes to fast-action -- fast-paced and streamline coding that's really smooth goes a lot further as far as longevity goes, at least for me. In fact, this almost seems more like what APB (Reloaded) should have played more like... just with actual PvE and more depth of storyline. :)
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Originally Posted by ZombieTech
I'm willing to bet my lunch today.
Tuna fish on wheat.
You can have it in 3 weeks if I'm wrong.
agreed with previous comments. trolling actually sometimes helps the game its intended to hurt by bringing attention to it. The trollers (most likely immature little children) 1 think its cool because of the ridiculous attention that the youtube community has brought to it, and 2 underestimate the intelligence of true gamers. i wouldnt worry too much about the flamers hurting sales as the game will speak volumes for itself.
But good on you for trying
The best way you have to counter any form of forum troll is simply to speak logic, and then smile at their inane replies. And the best way to protect the steam sales from them isn't to try and fight back on forums, but rather to spread the popularity of the game through word of mouth to your friends, pals, people you play with regularly and to let it spread like a big web through the web.
Present them with the livestream videos, with the youtube videos, discuss the known FACTS about the game with them, about the TV show, get them hooked and they'll get other people hooked. Its just as simple.
Lol reminds me of my boss at work. whenever I bring up Defiance to a customer, he says oh that game is horrible just to bug me lol
Just wait until the TV show is the 'in thing' like game of thrones etc.. then they realise that there is a game in conjunction and they've missed a helluva lot. If they do swallow their words and start playing the you can own them in pvp. Then smile.
I doubt the show will be as good as GoT. But I'm sure Defiance will be a better game, than that terrible GoT game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kroesis
haters going to hate!
EDIT: Disregard the post that was here, they're now at 16%... must have been a hiccup. :P
No, the best way to defeat a troll is to not FEED THE TROLL. If only trolls responded to trolls it would be an amusing spectator sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asheki
LOL, I think you just stumbled on to a genius idea. Maybe somebody needs to make a multi-tier game called "Troll Battles" or "Troll Wars", perhaps even "Troll Control"... let the trolls PvP each other in combat and in conversation... while the rest of us sit in the stands/spectatorship placing bets and laughing our arses off! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mur
Sometimes I follow up a troll's comment with something like, "At least Mitt Romney isn't a fascist." It is often best, when trolling trollers to go completely off subject, yet remain as trollish as they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZombieTech
I read the one of the first posts on the steam page for Defiance and its clear these people saying its gonna be bad have no idea what they are even talking about. They said the game will fail because its not free to play... Even after the facts were pointed out the people still argued. Pretty pathetic really.
Trolls hate to pay the toll. Thats why they're such tools.Quote:
Originally Posted by OcelotKharn
Kind of hypocritical of them really, seeing that they live under bridges and force travelers to either pay the toll or be eaten.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoPulse
LOL that comment is legendaryQuote:
Originally Posted by Mur
No, because then the troll has already won the battle since you cower in its presence and avoid it. The best way to defeat a troll is to not give a damn about his or her replies. They do what they do to cause a reaction in people, not to get, or not get a response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mur
>That feel when I've never ignored a troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asheki
> that feel when I was a pretty good troll.
> that feel where I beat them at there own game because I can act like a true reterd
I do love people being herpaderp, its a nice distraction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin
Who made you lord savior of Defiance? Not everyone is going to like what is being offered in this game and they have the right to express themselfs too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaisekraft
Speaking of trolls... erm, my bad, what I actually meant to say was... uhhh, "At least Mitt Romney isn't a fascist." *grin* :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Battleseed
(PS - This goes along with what I've been saying pretty much everywhere lately on the interwebs... if people don't want to like something, sure, that's fine, that's their right and choice... but they can at least have the civility enough to go somewhere else and say it... [kind of like in real-life, I wouldn't go into the house of a person who thinks one way while preaching completely opposite views as it's blatantly disrespectful] -- it blows my mind how trolls go to something dedicated to a subject, object, or cause... only to hate on it, while others who are trying to support it end up derailed because of it. Why not go make their own sites about why they hate the item or why it sucks and support that instead... would make the interwebz a much better place for everybody to coexist. So rather than go onto the DEFIANCE forums to hate on it and push/preach FireFall... they should go to the FIREFALL forums to do so... would think that'd be simple common sense. Though, in this day and age... "common sense" is such a stretch, I think it now couples in with "genius mentality".)
Some one is a smidge grumpy this evening.
wow and this is how forums die
Exactly my point earlier... trolls derail it for those who are being positively constructive, because they're so self-absorbed/self-centered all that matters is their viewpoint and opinion and they don't care what they ruin for everybody else.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJBlaze
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