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  • 12-20-2018, 07:56 AM
    Cyanhate
    The nerf was on the turkeys spawning, did nothing to their damage output apperantly... it helped for a small amount of time, but there is obviously still an issue with it, and other protos...
    But yes, Happy Holidays to all
  • 12-20-2018, 08:02 AM
    Drakonroo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cyanhate View Post
    The nerf was on the turkeys spawning, did nothing to their damage output apperantly... it helped for a small amount of time, but there is obviously still an issue with it, and other protos...
    But yes, Happy Holidays to all

    They actually gave the turkeys more damage too. lool
  • 12-20-2018, 10:02 AM
    lagrue
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cyanhate View Post
    The nerf was on the turkeys spawning, did nothing to their damage output apperantly... it helped for a small amount of time, but there is obviously still an issue with it, and other protos...
    But yes, Happy Holidays to all

    The patch notes ARE on the forums. The turkeys lost roughly 15-18% damage.

    They also last only 6 seconds vs 10.

    What they did was remove 6/9 turkeys, but buffed turkeys by 150% if you do the math on a 1:1 ratio it's easy to see:

    Before: 9 Turkeys = 9 Damage
    Now: 3 Turkeys x 2.5 (aka +150%) = 7.5 Damage

    As you can see on a 1:1 ratio there was a loss of 1.5. They did buff the actual grenade to do 50% more, but it does not at all mitigate the 1.5 loss.

    Don't trust the stats and numbers you hear/see in game from other players... they only tell you half truths at best... the people who play this game are some of the most ill-informed and purposely deceptive gamers I've ever seen... half of them don't even try to do the math, so the outrage doesn't shock me at all. They spread blatant misinformation to generate outrage... often they're unaware that they're wrong and push these ideas as well.

    Turkey gun was unequivocally nerfed on ALL fronts.

    Source: http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...ecember-4-2018
  • 12-20-2018, 10:04 AM
    lagrue
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Drakonroo View Post
    They actually gave the turkeys more damage too. lool

    Way to purposely misrepresent what they did, see my post above to see why your statement is deceptive. The added damage was mitigation to a nerf, and even then the end result was the Turkey gun having less damage regardless.

    Turkey gun and Turkeys were completely nerfed, math doesn't lie.
  • 12-20-2018, 10:20 AM
    Drakonroo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lagrue View Post
    Way to purposely misrepresent what they did, see my post above to see why your statement is deceptive. The added damage was mitigation to a nerf, and even then the end result was the Turkey gun having less damage regardless.

    Turkey gun and Turkeys were completely nerfed, math doesn't lie.

    Its the spamming from multiple players which is the main problem. But you obviously cant see that so not going to argue. The lag is unvearable but im guessing you dont have any lag either
  • 12-20-2018, 11:24 AM
    Cyanhate
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lagrue View Post
    The patch notes ARE on the forums. The turkeys lost roughly 15-18% damage.

    They also last only 6 seconds vs 10.

    What they did was remove 6/9 turkeys, but buffed turkeys by 150% if you do the math on a 1:1 ratio it's easy to see:

    Before: 9 Turkeys = 9 Damage
    Now: 3 Turkeys x 2.5 (aka +150%) = 7.5 Damage

    As you can see on a 1:1 ratio there was a loss of 1.5. They did buff the actual grenade to do 50% more, but it does not at all mitigate the 1.5 loss.

    Don't trust the stats and numbers you hear/see in game from other players... they only tell you half truths at best... the people who play this game are some of the most ill-informed and purposely deceptive gamers I've ever seen... half of them don't even try to do the math, so the outrage doesn't shock me at all. They spread blatant misinformation to generate outrage... often they're unaware that they're wrong and push these ideas as well.

    Turkey gun was unequivocally nerfed on ALL fronts.

    Source: http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...ecember-4-2018

    Regardless of what was supposedly done, there is still an issue with them killing bosses without effort... you dont have to be technical or knownstats to see it happen, equip one and solo any mid boss, be it bulwark blacklung or whatever, and its blatantly obvious, same goes for viscera and monarchs
  • 12-20-2018, 11:35 AM
    lagrue
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cyanhate View Post
    Regardless of what was supposedly done, there is still an issue with them killing bosses without effort... you dont have to be technical or knownstats to see it happen, equip one and solo any mid boss, be it bulwark blacklung or whatever, and its blatantly obvious, same goes for viscera and monarchs

    Not saying there isn't an issue. Never have once made that claim.

    I'm just sick of the way people spread misinformation to make the issue seem worse than it actually is. It's one thing to have a problem, it's another thing entirely to be dishonest about it.
  • 12-20-2018, 11:36 AM
    lagrue
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Drakonroo View Post
    Its the spamming from multiple players which is the main problem. But you obviously cant see that so not going to argue. The lag is unvearable but im guessing you dont have any lag either

    I never disagreed with that statement. There are too many people using it, I know that, we all know that.

    All I disagreed with was your false information about the buff. The reason you won't argue about it is because you physically cannot (Well you could try, but then your intellect would be in question) - it's mathematically undeniable what I said.

    It is funny everytime I point out people's blatant misinformation the first thing they do is duck and retreat "oh I'm not going to argue about it" - and then also put words in my mouth and make claims about "what I obviously can't see." (Unfounded claims based in nothing.) Nothing better than just making crap up about somebody to run from a debate. That's the sign of being a sore loser.

    You think I don't have lag? You think I don't understand the issue? Obviously I do. Regardless there is no point in you misrepresenting issues to make them seem even worse. It's bad enough as it is - don't fill people's heads with half truths to enrage them even more.

    I don't like dishonest people, you are being dishonest. Not only in your first statement, but now in your response as well.
  • 12-20-2018, 11:48 AM
    DEATHBRINGER210
    they never decreased the amount of damage that is done per turkey . which was op asf to begin with. they decrease number of turkeys and increase the damage of each of the 3 remaining turkeys by 150% each . and the life of 6 seconds is still way to long .
  • 12-20-2018, 11:50 AM
    lagrue
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210 View Post
    they never decreased the amount of damage that is done per turkey . which was op asf to begin with. they decrease number of turkeys and increase the damage of each of the 3 remaining turkeys by 150% each . and the life of 6 seconds is still way to long .

    If you're talking about individual turkeys that is true, but it is still a misrepresentation of the gun. You have to look at all turkeys together, not just 1 at a time. The gun makes 3 turkeys in 2 shots, which is how it's used. People aren't just summoning 1 turkey at a time.

    The overall DPS of the gun was nerfed, it's mathematical fact.
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