2 Whiteout's and 7 Hoarfrost's like title says without Poultromancer.
2 Whiteout's and 7 Hoarfrost's like title says without Poultromancer.
You do understand how proto drops work. You can afk the entire event and still get the protos. But congrats. Nice to see someone not using Poultrocancer :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasonb8O6
Ty and I do know how drops work,my point is to show ppl that maybe just maybe this the reason ppl not getting prototypes is due to Poultromancer.
Its pure RNG. Nothing to do with what weapons are used.
Ok tell me this then.....dropped 3 back2back and 2 at score screen is that rng?
Yes it is rng.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasonb8O6
So you know 4 a fact it's all RNG? Or you just speculating?tell you what try not using Poultromancer for a few days then reply to thread.
I never use Poultromancer. Have every single prototype in the game. So yes i can tell you its all rng. I had all protos before the Poultromancer was put in the game. I also know people who use poultormancer and have all the event protos already too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasonb8O6
Plus Trion have stated protos are just RNG too. lool
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Originally Posted by Jasonb8O6
for myself I know its rng since '15 when i started playing defiance. also the devs have said its rng many times.
Hey all. I can put this to rest now. Its RNG. Having (or not having) a specific weapon equipped has zero to do with drop chances for specific prototypes.
Thankyou. Good man :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zephkial
i pulled 2 hoarfrosts . thats 8 protos in 15 days of playing.
Ok ty Zeph,but are y'all going to adjust the Poultromancer as u can see ppl are not happy with this event .
You must be new,the prototypes drop from the rng loot table only.I have had 2 prototype (sugur) from one major and 7 other duplicate prototypes from event within a week, it is no special gun. LolsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jasonb8O6
yep I'm a 4yr pro noob this thread is to try in get ppl to reframe from using Poultromancer and ruining the eventQuote:
Originally Posted by ttoomm
Now u get it, the w/o Poultromancer in thread title
I understand your title as its the same as the 5 or 6 turkey threads ,my comment was for what i quoted.No need to throw a tantrum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasonb8O6
The origional reason for this thread, was to let people who think they have a better chance at getting event proto by using poiltr, know thats not the case... we all know its rng, ... but im with several others... why are you making a point to reply here, but you are all completely ignoring the many many MANY posts of people whose gameplay fun is being ruined by those with no respect for others in an mmo? Our cores, salvage, and skill level chances are being killed by these turkey spammers... and we are being ignored... at least let is know its being looked into or something... if there was something said in a different thread that i missed, i apologize... but being that ive talked with multiple people who post, i dont think thats the case...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zephkial
Edit: zone brought back memories last night... of people being banned in d13, for spamming cars at majors, because it caused server issues.... not saying bans need to be handed out for using a nifty gun... but please at least do something for the rest of us who would like to enjoy a solstice in all its origional glory
This is how they treat us on the forums and seem puzzled when we act angrily towards them. No respect towards their player base at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyanhate
Nah they have more important things to look into than a gun that has been nerfed already. Leave the devs alone, after all everyone deserves a rest for Christmas.
Merry Christmas devs.
P.s
(Bring back infectors please.)
The nerf was on the turkeys spawning, did nothing to their damage output apperantly... it helped for a small amount of time, but there is obviously still an issue with it, and other protos...
But yes, Happy Holidays to all
They actually gave the turkeys more damage too. loolQuote:
Originally Posted by Cyanhate
The patch notes ARE on the forums. The turkeys lost roughly 15-18% damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyanhate
They also last only 6 seconds vs 10.
What they did was remove 6/9 turkeys, but buffed turkeys by 150% if you do the math on a 1:1 ratio it's easy to see:
Before: 9 Turkeys = 9 Damage
Now: 3 Turkeys x 2.5 (aka +150%) = 7.5 Damage
As you can see on a 1:1 ratio there was a loss of 1.5. They did buff the actual grenade to do 50% more, but it does not at all mitigate the 1.5 loss.
Don't trust the stats and numbers you hear/see in game from other players... they only tell you half truths at best... the people who play this game are some of the most ill-informed and purposely deceptive gamers I've ever seen... half of them don't even try to do the math, so the outrage doesn't shock me at all. They spread blatant misinformation to generate outrage... often they're unaware that they're wrong and push these ideas as well.
Turkey gun was unequivocally nerfed on ALL fronts.
Source: http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...ecember-4-2018
Way to purposely misrepresent what they did, see my post above to see why your statement is deceptive. The added damage was mitigation to a nerf, and even then the end result was the Turkey gun having less damage regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drakonroo
Turkey gun and Turkeys were completely nerfed, math doesn't lie.
Its the spamming from multiple players which is the main problem. But you obviously cant see that so not going to argue. The lag is unvearable but im guessing you dont have any lag eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by lagrue
Regardless of what was supposedly done, there is still an issue with them killing bosses without effort... you dont have to be technical or knownstats to see it happen, equip one and solo any mid boss, be it bulwark blacklung or whatever, and its blatantly obvious, same goes for viscera and monarchsQuote:
Originally Posted by lagrue
Not saying there isn't an issue. Never have once made that claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyanhate
I'm just sick of the way people spread misinformation to make the issue seem worse than it actually is. It's one thing to have a problem, it's another thing entirely to be dishonest about it.
I never disagreed with that statement. There are too many people using it, I know that, we all know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drakonroo
All I disagreed with was your false information about the buff. The reason you won't argue about it is because you physically cannot (Well you could try, but then your intellect would be in question) - it's mathematically undeniable what I said.
It is funny everytime I point out people's blatant misinformation the first thing they do is duck and retreat "oh I'm not going to argue about it" - and then also put words in my mouth and make claims about "what I obviously can't see." (Unfounded claims based in nothing.) Nothing better than just making crap up about somebody to run from a debate. That's the sign of being a sore loser.
You think I don't have lag? You think I don't understand the issue? Obviously I do. Regardless there is no point in you misrepresenting issues to make them seem even worse. It's bad enough as it is - don't fill people's heads with half truths to enrage them even more.
I don't like dishonest people, you are being dishonest. Not only in your first statement, but now in your response as well.
they never decreased the amount of damage that is done per turkey . which was op asf to begin with. they decrease number of turkeys and increase the damage of each of the 3 remaining turkeys by 150% each . and the life of 6 seconds is still way to long .
If you're talking about individual turkeys that is true, but it is still a misrepresentation of the gun. You have to look at all turkeys together, not just 1 at a time. The gun makes 3 turkeys in 2 shots, which is how it's used. People aren't just summoning 1 turkey at a time.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210
The overall DPS of the gun was nerfed, it's mathematical fact.
yet that is where the issue is with this gun . after every reload , a very fast reload btw. a player is able to spawn 3 turkeys each turkey has is own damage output . they patch notes says"Turkey damage increased by 150%" it clearly states turkey and not turkeys as a whole . so each turkey that remains got a 150% increase to damage per turkey .
the overall reduction in the weapons DPS does not matter if the use of the weapon still results in players not being able to participate in the various events in the game .Quote:
Originally Posted by lagrue
Why do people keep saying this garbage to me? I know the gun is still an issue... that doesn't mean it's all good to frame the issue improperly. To sit there and keep claiming the gun got a 150% buff without also examining all the other changes and how they work together is nothing short of a farce.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destroyer Deathsmane
I am not denying at all too many people use it, or that it lags out the server, or that it ruins the event. Not once.
It is foolish to look at 1 change and not all 4 and how they work together, plain and simple. This is why you guys aren't the game developers.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210
People trying to frame the change as purely being a buff are being intellectually dishonest.
I never said there was an increase in the weapons DPS , I said the reduction does not matter when the use of the weapon is still preventing some players from being able to participate in the events in the game , your using a strawman to distract from the weapon causing problems . yes the Numbers do not lie but that does not mean they are relevant to all of the problems with this weapon and it's continued use in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by lagrue
I never said you said that. You jumped into a conversation where somebody else was trying to make the issue looks worse by claiming the turkeys were buffed while willfully ignoring the other changes. It's a half truth. Yes they were buffed, but that's not the whole story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destroyer Deathsmane
No I'm not using a Strawman - if you follow the messages in this chain events back to before you interjected yourself you will see I'm discussing 1 thing and 1 thing only, and it's NOT how problematic the gun is, or even if it's problematic or not. All I'm discussing is half truths. I only ever answered that one guy and then 2 others decided to join in without knowing the context.
In order to use a strawman we'd have to be discussing the same thing to begin with so I could derail it - but clearly we're not. You're talking about the problematic status of the gun - that's not at all what I was talking to the other user about. In fact your response is a strawman to MY comments. You are taking what I said and going somewhere else with it and debating arguments that I never made - that is the very definition of a Strawman.
Next time you interject yourself into the middle of a conversation you would do well to follow the chain events. My comments are not at all me refuting or defending anything related to the status of the gun. My comments had only one objective and that was to point out the deceptive information being thrown around. (Things people were throwing around to further inflame the issue).
I am well aware of the discussion as I have been following this thread for the past few days . yes your pointing out a half truth that some are pushing but that does not make your argument relevant to the problem of the weapons use preventing players from participating in events . in this case your argument is just a strawman and not adding to the discussion as you are also only pushing half of the truth and not taking into account the spawn rate for the turkeys which is a major part of the problems with this weapon .Quote:
Originally Posted by lagrue
It's only relevant in the sense that I am trying to stop people from further inflaming the issue. Posting half truths to make people rage more is all I was addressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destroyer Deathsmane
And no - I never made that argument... that's your second strawman now. Quote where I said that spawn rates of the Turkeys are not part of the problem... I'll be waiting. You'll never be able to because I never made that claim - you are blatantly making up things to fight against, it's actually sad.
and thats is your issue right the there. you cant stop anyone from posting anything on a open forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by lagrue
I should rephrase, because that is my fault and wording - I'm not trying to stop them from posting - I'm calling them out so people don't take what they're saying and run with it without understanding the full context. I'm shining the light on the full truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210
By all means they can spread half truths, but I am going to highlight the full truth. People reading this drivel have the right to not be deceived, or so I believe.