Continuous Lies

This will most certainly be removed due to the ongoing policy here regarding "toxicity" aka any critique of anything regarding this game. But even so, just because they remove threads and posts from others to see doesn't mean we're still not thinking it.

Now I quit playing over a year ago, gave away all my gear in D13 and tried to hop onto the 2050 train like so many others. I won't bore anyone with the rehashing of issues that we all know afflict 2050 since the beginning, nor will I mention the onslaught of all the new flaws and bugs that we've all seen debut since 2050 launch.

Instead I want to mention the acquisition of Trion by Gamigo. I cannot claim to speak for the 'community' or even a large sum of players. I speak for myself. When I found out that Trion tapped out and sold out to another gaming company, I first was concerned because I thought the game was over. No longer would I wait for the fixes that Trion had been promising but never delivered. But then I realized that Gamigo could 'Frankenstein' D13 & 2050 and make good on the undelivered fixes that Trion promised. Well I'm still waiting.

If it's taking this long to even catch up on old tickets and keep the flaws rolling, then what is the point? I'm serious, even with my new found defeatist mindset regarding Defiance. I still come here and see new posts regarding stability atleast a couple of times per week. Not to mention everything else wrong, be it new issues or the same old ongoing neverdie bugs. Will we ever get a definite answer about anything that plagues this game and seriously unenjoyable experience? I wonder if people stick around for the social aspect of talking to riends in game moreso than actually enjoying spending their free time in game with all the issues?

You do realize that for a while they couldn't work on the game right. So for like 3-4 months they were being fired, rehired, moved around, and told to maintain.

They still don't even have a proper place to do live streams. The team is small, s when they are asleep the game s not being worked on. And the time they do spend on the game goes unappreciated.

Goes unappreciated because
They misled everyone about what this game was supposed to be.
Transfers from last gen left a lot of players missing items.
They removed zones, weapon types and even EGO abilities. The stuff that was griefable like swords, infectors and decoy. Even removed trading. Instead of fixing these things they took them out completely. (Trade and decoy specifically).
There have been new bugs introduced prior to the acquisition by Gamigo and they are still in game.
Stability issue’s. It’s 2019 and there should be zero stabiliity issues. The games been out for 1 year almost. .
RNG, Real Money, ticket responses.

Honestly, the list can go on and on. There seems to be no visible progress being made. Players want to see results. That’s why there is so much frustration. Especially from those of us who have been around for years, paid in to this game and have been left feeling we were fooled.

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Originally Posted by smurfsniper

You do realize that for a while they couldn't work on the game right. So for like 3-4 months they were being fired, rehired, moved around, and told to maintain.

They still don't even have a proper place to do live streams. The team is small, s when they are asleep the game s not being worked on. And the time they do spend on the game goes unappreciated.

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I've noticed this opinion of complacency since 2050 launched, where anyone who criticizes the issues in game are deemed toxic and told that we do not appreciate what anyone on the Defiance Team does. This is absolutely NOT TRUE. I think it's an obvious assessment to note that if it weren't for these games and the work it took to create them, then there'd be nothing to critique or enjoy here on these particular forums or in game. Just because someone critiques something or the manner of which it is maintained, doesn't mean they're anti or just making trouble. I for one have enjoyed my time in game both on PC and XB1 and I hope to return.

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Originally Posted by Jagger Six

If it's taking this long to even catch up on old tickets and keep the flaws rolling, then what is the point?

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I seem to be asking myself this very question each and every time I log into the game. *shrug*

I definatly agree with you, it feels like the mistakes, bugs, and glitches have reached a point of no return. The devs have made to many false promises for me to believe much of anything they say. Its seems to me the plan is to just keep up the lies squeezing what ever cash they can from players who havent already gotten frustrated and quit untill one day they will just shut it down with little or no warning. The few players that hang around see the potential and just hang to the tiny threads up hope. But if they hope to ever generate any real income they must start listening to players and focus on quality, stop making claims they cant keep. Like selling early access thats lets you on for a few min then locking them out for days, selling a class pack to people months ago and still not delivered the last class, winter is over. They out right took money from people and not given what was suppose to have been. Why would any person wish to give them any money after things like this. Not to mention the persistent terrible state of the game in general.

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Originally Posted by smurfsniper

You do realize that for a while they couldn't work on the game right. So for like 3-4 months they were being fired, rehired, moved around, and told to maintain.

They still don't even have a proper place to do live streams. The team is small, s when they are asleep the game s not being worked on. And the time they do spend on the game goes unappreciated.

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thay just had a new room made for live streaming.

the silence around here . is deafening for sure.

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Originally Posted by smurfsniper

You do realize that for a while they couldn't work on the game right. So for like 3-4 months they were being fired, rehired, moved around, and told to maintain.

They still don't even have a proper place to do live streams. The team is small, s when they are asleep the game s not being worked on. And the time they do spend on the game goes unappreciated.

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How do you excuse them for all the time that's gone by and still barely anything getting fixed at all leading up to this moment? Even in the glory days, I saw more things getting patched than anything technically getting fixed.

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Originally Posted by smurfsniper

They still don't even have a proper place to do live streams.

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Gimme a break... small Twitch affiliate channels have less of a problem getting a live stream up & running.

But by all means, keep coming up with excuses. Seems to be doing wonders so far.

The attitudes towards me shows the mentality of this board. No discussion, just accusations.

Just because someone says something positive doesn't mean they are a shill, or White Knight. There s plenty of positives to be said for this game, but it seems you only want to focus on negatives.

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Originally Posted by Ryu Soba JP

Goes unappreciated because
They misled everyone about what this game was supposed to be.
Transfers from last gen left a lot of players missing items.
They removed zones, weapon types and even EGO abilities. The stuff that was griefable like swords, infectors and decoy. Even removed trading. Instead of fixing these things they took them out completely. (Trade and decoy specifically).
There have been new bugs introduced prior to the acquisition by Gamigo and they are still in game.
Stability issue’s. It’s 2019 and there should be zero stabiliity issues. The games been out for 1 year almost. .
RNG, Real Money, ticket responses.

Honestly, the list can go on and on. There seems to be no visible progress being made. Players want to see results. That’s why there is so much frustration. Especially from those of us who have been around for years, paid in to this game and have been left feeling we were fooled.

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Well said Ryu. I feel the same way!

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Originally Posted by Jagger Six

This will most certainly be removed due to the ongoing policy here regarding "toxicity" aka any critique of anything regarding this game. But even so, just because they remove threads and posts from others to see doesn't mean we're still not thinking it.

Now I quit playing over a year ago, gave away all my gear in D13 and tried to hop onto the 2050 train like so many others. I won't bore anyone with the rehashing of issues that we all know afflict 2050 since the beginning, nor will I mention the onslaught of all the new flaws and bugs that we've all seen debut since 2050 launch.

Instead I want to mention the acquisition of Trion by Gamigo. I cannot claim to speak for the 'community' or even a large sum of players. I speak for myself. When I found out that Trion tapped out and sold out to another gaming company, I first was concerned because I thought the game was over. No longer would I wait for the fixes that Trion had been promising but never delivered. But then I realized that Gamigo could 'Frankenstein' D13 & 2050 and make good on the undelivered fixes that Trion promised. Well I'm still waiting.

If it's taking this long to even catch up on old tickets and keep the flaws rolling, then what is the point? I'm serious, even with my new found defeatist mindset regarding Defiance. I still come here and see new posts regarding stability atleast a couple of times per week. Not to mention everything else wrong, be it new issues or the same old ongoing neverdie bugs. Will we ever get a definite answer about anything that plagues this game and seriously unenjoyable experience? I wonder if people stick around for the social aspect of talking to riends in game moreso than actually enjoying spending their free time in game with all the issues?

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Pretty sure by now bugs should have been fixed, they had a lot of time to do this but yet no fixing has occured if any little. They barely communicate with the community in general, morale and positivity is significantly decreased due to the developers keeping up with this unacceptable behavior. A breach possibly affecting accounts in another thread that's described that they haven't alerted people about yet, prototypes glitching every month as new bugs keep appearing. Major arkfalls are getting ended quickly because of bosses getting one shotted. Buffed up enemies that are on pure steroids. People in 4999k PR still stuck due to pure RNG disabling people from getting 5000K PR. Scaling l believe is broken. Guns are affected after the new update where guns are in a new complete version of broken, how much more bugs that are going to appear that they will neglect to fix. Just what is happening in this game in general?

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Originally Posted by smurfsniper

The attitudes towards me shows the mentality of this board. No discussion, just accusations.

Just because someone says something positive doesn't mean they are a shill, or White Knight. There s plenty of positives to be said for this game, but it seems you only want to focus on negatives.

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Excuse me, but you hopped onto this thread attempting to discredit the point of others by choosing to validate the time in which these long ongoing issues are dealt with. And you're surprised by the response you get from others? Then you attack those who you disagree with by questioning their mental capacity to have a discussion?

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Originally Posted by Dymical

Just what is happening in this game in general?

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Waiting for fixes
Waiting for content
Waiting...
Waiting...
Waiting...
Waiting...

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Originally Posted by smurfsniper

The attitudes towards me shows the mentality of this board. No discussion, just accusations.

Just because someone says something positive doesn't mean they are a shill, or White Knight. There s plenty of positives to be said for this game, but it seems you only want to focus on negatives.

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So we are sit quietly while they take money for classes they dont provide wait for fixes that arent coming( believe me d13 is still waiting for fixes from bug bash years ago) and just be positive? Come come now am i to believe youd sit idle while you got robbed at a gas station? Im rather sure youd never just give up your car keys and wallet so why ask others to?

It seems here nobody goes to the point: of course people works for money, but the impression users have here is of a game that is going to shut down soon.
There are various issues, some so big, like the continuous lags, that of course will take a long analysis and work to solve, but others, like random effect pushing keys, delay on shooting with some weapons, that could be solved in a while, but they remain day by day.
I wonder if any of the devs ever go online, try the game and read the chat. What i see is less people playing every day.
So, if you want people contribute to your salary, as it has to be, throwing new items at shop is not enough, you have first to show you're still working to solve troubles, because who want to throw money in a game that has no future?

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Originally Posted by Max It

It seems here nobody goes to the point: of course people works for money, but the impression users have here is of a game that is going to shut down soon.
There are various issues, some so big, like the continuous lags, that of course will take a long analysis and work to solve, but others, like random effect pushing keys, delay on shooting with some weapons, that could be solved in a while, but they remain day by day.
I wonder if any of the devs ever go online, try the game and read the chat. What i see is less people playing every day.
So, if you want people contribute to your salary, as it has to be, throwing new items at shop is not enough, you have first to show you're still working to solve troubles, because who want to throw money in a game that has no future?

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Obviously the devs dont ever go online and when they do they dont try to reproduce bugs that we have been reporting for months and months. If they saw how much its breaking the game or even cared in the slightest about the future of this game they would get fixes out asap but they just keep being silent and tell us theres an update soon. Well thats not good enough with the state of this game. As i stated in a post yesterday the community managers feel the need to update social media with useless posts about peanut butter and jelly day but cant be bothered to come onto forums to adress the issues in game and keep us udated with the state of the next update and what issues will be fixed within this update.

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Originally Posted by Drakonroo

If they saw how much its breaking the game or even cared in the slightest about the future of this game they would get fixes out asap but they just keep being silent and tell us theres an update soon. Well thats not good enough with the state of this game.

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Indeed, and it's a major reason why I haven't played 2050 in a while... I'd rather not be frustrated by all of the bugs & glitches when I'm playing.

If I only had a time machine...

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Originally Posted by KevinVonBach

Indeed, and it's a major reason why I haven't played 2050 in a while... I'd rather not be frustrated by all of the bugs & glitches when I'm playing.

If I only had a time machine...

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Or a old console that could still run the original Defiance..

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Originally Posted by Jagger Six

Excuse me, but you hopped onto this thread attempting to discredit the point of others by choosing to validate the time in which these long ongoing issues are dealt with. And you're surprised by the response you get from others? Then you attack those who you disagree with by questioning their mental capacity to have a discussion?

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Show one line where I tried to discredit anyone.

I simply offered an example as to why things are delayed. Not once did I call the op out, and try to refute his claims.

I thing everyone needs to chill on the hate, and accusations. May be at least take a break from forums, it seems this s how most get their daily dosage of toxicity.

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Originally Posted by smurfsniper

Show one line where I tried to discredit anyone.

I simply offered an example as to why things are delayed. Not once did I call the op out, and try to refute his claims.

I thing everyone needs to chill on the hate, and accusations. May be at least take a break from forums, it seems this s how most get their daily dosage of toxicity.

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I think that bickering on these forums about the things wrong regarding both D13 and 2050 is not only counter productive, but is also immature and undermines the point in general. So perhaps you should re-read your 2 previous additions to this thread, or have someone else read them aloud so you could comprehend your own posts? And that 3rd post of yours where you choose to apply toxicity and hate to 'most', perhaps you should practice what you preach there as well.

Now, I think everyone can agree that the mountain of issues concerning this game have continuously been neglected. All we want is for fixes to happen, not more talk of fixes, not more telling us what we want to hear to pacify the community awhile and then no follow through. Is there a future here for Defiance? I'd like an answer from a actual shot caller here regarding this please.

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Originally Posted by Jagger Six

Now, I think everyone can agree that the mountain of issues concerning this game have continuously been neglected. All we want is for fixes to happen, not more talk of fixes, not more telling us what we want to hear to pacify the community awhile and then no follow through. Is there a future here for Defiance? I'd like an answer from a actual shot caller here regarding this please.

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Sorry i skipped over the other part due to it needed to address someone else, but i agree. I use to love when Defiance first came out, i credited the old dev team at the time for being so connected to their community, answering questions quickly, actively posting the daily workings and stuff. Now we barely get anything.
I know most dev teams have a lot on their plates at any given time but personally i like when dev teams interact with players regularly, shows they care and don't just see us as money bags.

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Originally Posted by vorxdargo

Or a old console that could still run the original Defiance..

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I have an old console to run OG Defiance.

I'd use the time machine to travel back and tell myself to not waste any time/money on Defiance 2050.

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Originally Posted by ByeFelicia101

So we are sit quietly while they take money for classes they dont provide wait for fixes that arent coming( believe me d13 is still waiting for fixes from bug bash years ago) and just be positive? Come come now am i to believe youd sit idle while you got robbed at a gas station? Im rather sure youd never just give up your car keys and wallet so why ask others to?

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What class haven't they provided? The engineer was slated for a winter 2019 release, and its only being delayed by like 2-3 months. That has more to do with the buyout then hat ever assumptions people have come up with.

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Originally Posted by smurfsniper

What class haven't they provided? The engineer was slated for a winter 2019 release, and its only being delayed by like 2-3 months. That has more to do with the buyout then hat ever assumptions people have come up with.

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A company buyout doesn't release the buyee from its contrats. It puts the buyer on the hook for it.

Just or fun, call your power company and tell them the payment will be delayed only 2-3 months. Or call a client of the company you work for, and tell them the product they already paid for will be delayed 2-3 months. See how that goes. Get back to us after your lawyer has explained the real meaning of the word compensation.

If the dollar amount had any significance, gamigo would be looking at the losing end of a lawsuit. Lucky for them, nobody is crazy enough to sue a company for 22$.

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Originally Posted by smurfsniper

The attitudes towards me shows the mentality of this board. No discussion, just accusations.

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So what is this but attacking "mentality" ? And what have you posted besides assumptions yourself i mean do you rub shoulders with the dev staff while you help with these so called fixes or are you just gleaning info from the forums? Perhads you stopped by the redwood office to check out the livestream room? If you believe everything you read on the internet i have an amazing bridge to sell you.

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Originally Posted by ByeFelicia101

So what is this but attacking "mentality" ? And what have you posted besides assumptions yourself i mean do you rub shoulders with the dev staff while you help with these so called fixes or are you just gleaning info from the forums? Perhads you stopped by the redwood office to check out the livestream room? If you believe everything you read on the internet i have an amazing bridge to sell you.

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I'm just sticking with the whole this poster is a planted poster thing when it comes to this person..

Hello, little pizzas of mine,

I'd like to thank you for the feedback you have given us regarding communication, etc. I also would like to point out some things mentioned in Jagger Six's post, which have already been mentioned in other threads made by the team.

We know that tickets have been taking time to be solved, the main problem with this is that the Customer Support team is encountering issues with item granting tools etc. Unfortunately, the process to get this fixed is taking a bit longer than expected but once this is fixed everything will start flowing a lot better!

The developers of Defiance are working on current bugs to be fixed and applied to the next update, for now, details are not being given as to what will be in the next update. Stay tuned to upcoming info :)

I will mention again that feedback regarding anything is always welcome and appreciated as that is how we learn and can make things better, but, this thread turned from giving feedback and good critique to people bickering with one another. Therefore this thread will be closed.