So, I Just Beat Defiance. Well, Errr, Thanks For Nuttin Trion...

That has been the point of Defiance all along. There's a reason the current achievement list is called 'Season one" .. the game is set up so that it will progress along side the show. What we have now is just the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Anim

The world of competitive gaming would like to introduce itself. Where FPS games are a mainstay of events around the world where players earn hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. I better go tell them they actually accomplished nothing and should stop being so bad at life.

Honestly, you have to be trolling now, nobody can be as naive as you.

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Hahaha. Competitive gaming? Where ppl come and pay an entry fee to enter a competition? This is not a profession where ppl can earn a living. In fact its not a profession at all. In a profession you get paid a salary, win or lose. Gaming competitions are part of the same misconception that gaming is an accomplishment. 3 ppl out of hundreds or even thousands get paid for the win and the rest are out of pocket. Competition for its own sake is an accomplishment but when your playing a game it really isn't. If it were it would be a real profession like in sports. If you make a pro team, as i said before, you get a salary. The gaming industry wants you to think that these are accomplishments. But cmon man, if it really were that much of a job, it would be a real paid job. And there would be ppl being paid to play games. As far as we know, only testers get paid to play. And thats not what i'm talking about here.
Gaming is for fun. It should be fun. Not a chore or an accomplishment. We paid for fun, not to have to prove ourselves.

This is an MMO. You don't "beat" a MMO. This is not a typical shooter. If you want a typical shooter then go play one and don't complain about the game being what it is.

This guy is adorable, he thinks the game is over when he finishes the main mission, lol!

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Originally Posted by Anim

Yay another thread like this with disillusioned fanboys defending grinding to the death. I've picked this post out randomly from all the flawed opinions of how much great content this game has.

You're comparing Skyrim to Defiance. If Skyrim had multiplayer it would be more of an MMO than Defiance. Skyrim has; Crafting, Trade hubs, actual repeatable quests, changing scenery, professions, skill trees. None of which Defiance has.

But that's besides the point, we're talking about Defiance here.

The side quests: Run out after a short while if you're even prepared to do the same tedious quest based in a different location. Side quests are literal clones of earlier quests once you hit SF.

Dynamic events: Nothing dynamic about them. The hellbug major arkfall will always spawn the same bugs in the same order at the same health %'s no matter how many people.

Pursuits: Your 'content' pursuits involve literally just holding down the trigger at either an arkfall or a spawn door until you finally get 10,000 kills on the relevant mob. Thats not content, thats lazy development.

Reputation: You're limited on faction rep gain by the single daily quest per faction and one weekly. This is an artificial handicap to slow down people and force them to do other things despite them wanting to get rep up. Again this isnt content, lazy dev.

Max every gun type: Ties in with the pursuits, a pointless endeavor that yes whilst it gives you an extra few % on your melee damage and things is as hard as simply pressing the trigger for a few hours. Doesnt matter what you're shooting at, or where, they ditched this in other MMO's because people would find some unkillable target and leave it on autoattack for a few hours to level up the most pointless stat in the game.

Your defense for content is actually defense for the laziest developers we've seen in recent MMO history, putting mammoth grinds or artificial road blocks on players is just plan awful.

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Did I not just say that single player RPG =/= MMOTPS? Really? I'm not comparing the two, just the opposite. They're different genres altogether. Apples and Oranges. He said he could go anywhere and do anything in Skyrim, it's the same here. The stupidly tall hill/mountain thing over there? want to climb it? get on your ATV and get to it.

Moving on.

The side quests: I implore you to go out into any mmo title and find actual unique quests. You can't. They're all broken down to the same 3 or so quest types. Gather, Kill, Talk. Hell, lots of games combine them. You might find a quest every so often that has you solve a puzzle or something, but for MMOs, it's generally limited to these. If you wanna come at me about how they're dressed up, you're more than welcome to do so. It doesn't change the fact that it's still gather, kill, talk or a combination of them.

Dynamic events*: They're scripted, but so is everything you do in this game sans pvp. That's not a valid detractor from them though. And Ark Falls aren't the only dynamic event, emergencies, the things that everyone drives past in the middle of the road? There are those as well.

Pursuits: Like any other achievement anywhere in gaming that has them? It's a great carrot and stick tool to get people to go out and do the races/hotshots/rampages.

Reputation: Because no other game in the history of gaming only lets you do 1-2 rep quests when you first start out with the faction and you have to earn your way to more of them. I'm not saying this is the case for Defiance, and this is one of the things I don't like about the game. I wish there was more here.


I came to the conclusion while writing this that you don't really like the systems that all devs, not just Trion, make use of when creating games. All the complaints you've levied against Defiance, you could say the same thing about any other game. Lack of quest diversity, achievements, ways to stretch content and so forth. Every game does this. If you wanna make a point of it not being dressed up fancily enough, I'll be right there with you. But don't act like Defiance is the odd man out here in the mechanics it employs.

*Please look no further than GW2 and all it's 'dynamic' content that every person and reviewer has touted as being new and innovating and blah blah blah. It's all scripted, and everyone on some level knows that. What a terrible argument. Honestly.

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Originally Posted by wilks

Hahaha. Competitive gaming? Where ppl come and pay an entry fee to enter a competition? This is not a profession where ppl can earn a living. In fact its not a profession at all. In a profession you get paid a salary, win or lose. Gaming competitions are part of the same misconception that gaming is an accomplishment. 3 ppl out of hundreds or even thousands get paid for the win and the rest are out of pocket. Competition for its own sake is an accomplishment but when your playing a game it really isn't. If it were it would be a real profession like in sports. If you make a pro team, as i said before, you get a salary. The gaming industry wants you to think that these are accomplishments. But cmon man, if it really were that much of a job, it would be a real paid job. And there would be ppl being paid to play games. As far as we know, only testers get paid to play. And thats not what i'm talking about here.
Gaming is for fun. It should be fun. Not a chore or an accomplishment. We paid for fun, not to have to prove ourselves.

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Here comes my second warning for being rude to another community member: You're a ****ing idiot. Plain and simple.

One does not simply beat an MMO ;)

it's one progressive storyline chain that has been completed, there will be more added. Your $60 entitles you to additional content for the life of the game.

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Originally Posted by wilks

Hahaha. Competitive gaming? Where ppl come and pay an entry fee to enter a competition? This is not a profession where ppl can earn a living. In fact its not a profession at all. In a profession you get paid a salary, win or lose. Gaming competitions are part of the same misconception that gaming is an accomplishment. 3 ppl out of hundreds or even thousands get paid for the win and the rest are out of pocket. Competition for its own sake is an accomplishment but when your playing a game it really isn't. If it were it would be a real profession like in sports. If you make a pro team, as i said before, you get a salary. The gaming industry wants you to think that these are accomplishments. But cmon man, if it really were that much of a job, it would be a real paid job. And there would be ppl being paid to play games. As far as we know, only testers get paid to play. And thats not what i'm talking about here.
Gaming is for fun. It should be fun. Not a chore or an accomplishment. We paid for fun, not to have to prove ourselves.

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And you just proved you know NOTHING.

Games such as Quake3, Starcraft and Counter strike have had salaried players since before 2010, Quake3 in fact had full time professional players since way before that. Last year RIOT introduced their own league system with hundreds of players all with a salary being paid to play LoL (http://www.gameskinny.com/a4zwh/riot...-about-esports).

Kindly **** of a discussion that you have repeatedly proven you know nothing about.

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Originally Posted by Gohlar

I'm glad you agree and were able to see the flaw in your logic. Could you stop praising lame releases? Or at least stop pretending everyone how realizes how lame the game is has something wrong with them? I'd settle for that. I won't tell you are wrong for liking half baked "mmos", I'll just say you are incredibly easy to please.

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you know the OP said he likes the game tho right? his only problem was that he didnt get the sense of achievement that he was expecting due to the rewards right?
kinda wondering why you are on here moaning about this unfinished game and not just getting yourself down to where you can trade it?
I myself really are enjoing this game it did exactly what i wanted and better then that but in about 6 weeks this game will be different and ill still be enjoing it and you will prob be *****ing about another unfinished game and prob £100 worse off cuz u went out and brought the next big game that will be done in a weekend and then be about £20 in asda

so have fun with that..... toodles!:cool:

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Originally Posted by Anim

And you just proved you know NOTHING.

Games such as Quake3, Starcraft and Counter strike have had salaried players since before 2010, Quake3 in fact had full time professional players since way before that. Last year RIOT introduced their own league system with hundreds of players all with a salary being paid to play LoL (http://www.gameskinny.com/a4zwh/riot...-about-esports).

Kindly **** of a discussion that you have repeatedly proven you know nothing about.

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Still talking about competitions, not salaries. If you only get paid to go to a competition once in a while its still not a profession. How many of these ppl do you think actually support themselves and their families? And how many live in their parents basements? Profession? I think not. Also I'd like to point out that I'm not insulting ppl here so who's the troll?