So, I Just Beat Defiance. Well, Errr, Thanks For Nuttin Trion...

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Originally Posted by cfStatic

Did I not just say that single player RPG =/= MMOTPS? Really? I'm not comparing the two, just the opposite. They're different genres altogether. Apples and Oranges. He said he could go anywhere and do anything in Skyrim, it's the same here. The stupidly tall hill/mountain thing over there? want to climb it? get on your ATV and get to it.

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I understand your point, I'm just saying that the single player game is actually closer to being a fun MMO than Defiance is right now :P

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Originally Posted by cfStatic

The side quests: I implore you to go out into any mmo title and find actual unique quests. You can't. They're all broken down to the same 3 or so quest types. Gather, Kill, Talk. Hell, lots of games combine them. You might find a quest every so often that has you solve a puzzle or something, but for MMOs, it's generally limited to these. If you wanna come at me about how they're dressed up, you're more than welcome to do so. It doesn't change the fact that it's still gather, kill, talk or a combination of them.

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In all fairness, secret world did a pretty good job of it. The better games at least put a subtle cover over the top of the basic quests, sure they're all based on a simple premise but Defiance doesnt hide the fact. This just makes them far more boring than so many other mmo's that have a questing system.

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Originally Posted by cfStatic

Dynamic events*: They're scripted, but so is everything you do in this game sans pvp. That's not a valid detractor from them though. And Ark Falls aren't the only dynamic event, emergencies, the things that everyone drives past in the middle of the road? There are those as well.

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Theres nothing dynamic about the emergencies etc, once you finish one just wait there for 3 minutes and do the exact same event again from the start. It's the opposite of dynamic, it's just another side mission that you enter to start it rather than being given an objective location from an npc.

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Originally Posted by cfStatic

Pursuits: Like any other achievement anywhere in gaming that has them? It's a great carrot and stick tool to get people to go out and do the races/hotshots/rampages.

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Achievements are fine, its the ridiculous time sink ones that are the problem. Games did away with them a long time ago because they realised that it does nothing for the morale of the players. People would prefer a simple stat track once they've done 'kill a variety of these' rather than 'kill 10,000 of these to get a minor achievement'

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Originally Posted by cfStatic

Reputation: Because no other game in the history of gaming only lets you do 1-2 rep quests when you first start out with the faction and you have to earn your way to more of them. I'm not saying this is the case for Defiance, and this is one of the things I don't like about the game. I wish there was more here.

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Again, other games did repution way better. I wouldnt mind it though if you could repeat the quests to get rep but right now doing a 10minute contract and than having to wait 23 hours to do it again is stupid.

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Originally Posted by cfStatic

Every game does this. If you wanna make a point of it not being dressed up fancily enough, I'll be right there with you. But don't act like Defiance is the odd man out here in the mechanics it employs.

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It's one of my points, Defiance didnt even try to hide the simple mechanics and is even further away from trying anything new or in depth :\

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Originally Posted by cfStatic

Here comes my second warning for being rude to another community member: You're a ****ing idiot. Plain and simple.

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So agreed.

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Originally Posted by wilks

Still talking about competitions, not salaries. If you only get paid to go to a competition once in a while its still not a profession. How many of these ppl do you think actually support themselves and their families? And how many live in their parents basements? Profession? I think not. Also I'd like to point out that I'm not insulting ppl here so who's the troll?

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No you cretin, I was talking about year long contracted salaries. In the case of LoL they play weekly league games but dont get prize money BECAUSE they have a salary.

If you want to talk about one off competitions, the last LoL and DotA2 tournaments had literally millions of dollars as prize funds. The LoL winners took home $200,000 EACH. Whens the last time you couldnt support a family on $200,000 for a weeks work? They have their own houses, in fact I'm betting are lot better off than you.

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Originally Posted by wilks

Still talking about competitions, not salaries. If you only get paid to go to a competition once in a while its still not a profession. How many of these ppl do you think actually support themselves and their families? And how many live in their parents basements? Profession? I think not. Also I'd like to point out that I'm not insulting ppl here so who's the troll?

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lots of professional athletes aren't given a salary, only those who play on teams, employed by franchises, are. They're businesses though, so it's more like employees, not self-funded/self employed athletes. How many olympic athletes are salaried? I read an article a few weeks ago about rowers and weight lifters relying on food stamps.

>you dont have beat the game .... its an evolving mmo .... you just do the story mission till this point ...

its just like clearing Molten core and claiming that you beat WOW .... nobody tells that you are a hero or something ... the patch after you just start to do BWL ecc..

If is the first MMO you play get used... you have a long road ahead ...(we hope)

1 person winning enough to support themselves does not make a profession. It is still just a tournament. And salaries paid to the winners are still prizes despite being called salaries. And still i'm not insulting ppl here. Just making my point.

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Originally Posted by wilks

1 person winning enough to support themselves does not make a profession. It is still just a tournament. And salaries paid to the winners are still prizes despite being called salaries. And still i'm not insulting ppl here. Just making my point.

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Your point is totally wrong and we've PROVED it. There are literally thousands upon thousands of people out there being paid a good regular salary to play games, how can you not get this in to your head?

They have a contract, that they sign, to be employed by a company to play games. Or am I wrong, is my DBA job just a competition to have the best database and my salary is me winning a competition at my company?

I'm shocked that nobody has asked the really important question ...
Can I have your stuff ? :D

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Originally Posted by wilks

The last boss fight is about 600% harder than any other fight in the game. He uses tactics that are not human, not even cyborg like he is supposed to be. He moves like a hologram, his speed is way too fast and most of the fight your shots pass right through him. Then after the hell you go through they pat you on the back and say way to go, here is some crap.

If the final fight is going to be this hard there should be a proper reward, or at least make the boss easier or make it a group fight. It pretty much is a group enemy anyway.

Also lets remember that on login there is a message that says to finish the missions before the show starts. Is that even possible for more than say 5-10% of players? I feel like were set up to fail unless we bash our heads against that boss over and over until we win. And to the ppl that say they beat him in 1 try? LIARS. No video proving this has been posted. Just a bunch of lying trolls saying they did.

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I sense a lot of hostility in your post, demanding this and that, calling people liers, let bygones be bygones. I've solo'ed arkfalls before and no one believed me until i posted a video. whats the point of lieing? the reward from killing nim is the fact that you did it.. you killed a boss that a lot of people have trouble with.. hes deffinetly not 600% harder then any other boss.. like I said in a previous post.. I used a BMG to kill him and I'm pretty sure my BMG's are only like... lvl 2? i don't even think weapon level matters, does it?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, its like getting the black challenger.. your probably like "F*** ya!! i got this!" just because you don't like the title doesn't mean its worthless.. wear that S**t like pair of solid gold pants... and to be honest.. if you need to beat a game to make yourself happy and accomplished.. you need anti-depressants or something... I have depression problems and i didnt even get excited.. i just giggled because i killed him with a BMG...
Children learn that the game isnt catering to you as a person but to the community as a WHOLE just because you have trouble the world dosent stop. try beating space invaders on the N64.. i bet you wont be able to.. i still haven't to this day.

Dont jsut shoot at him guns a blaze, adapt to it and figure out how his AI works, study his movement and attacks, theres patterns to everything.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
~Albert Einstein

Ok if gaming is a profession, what does it produce? Every other profession is based on a product or service. At the end of a game tourney, what is the end product or service? A sense of accomplishment for the winner? How is that something that can be made into a real profession if it produces nothing? Its for FUN. It will NEVER be a real profession unless you are the ones making and selling the game. Or the ones holding the tourney and collecting the entry fees and sponsorship money.

is wilks the common enemy? Im seeing a lot of names i typically disagree with that i am now agreeing with.