So, I Just Beat Defiance. Well, Errr, Thanks For Nuttin Trion...

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Originally Posted by Thr0nes

Took me 20m to beat boss... super easy when you find out his attack pattern. A ground pounder works wonders.

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At least this one doesn't claim to have done it in 1 try.

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Originally Posted by IAMREALITY

First, the main story was a bit, well, short. But that's not really my main gripe, so I digress. My gripe is that not all of us are gifted at these games. For some of us, it's quite a challenge. But we stick with it. We try and try and fail a million times before victory, all while somehow finding the strength to contain ourselves from throwing our controllers straight through the damn tv. So when we finally do achieve victory, we like to feel some form of reward, some sort of sign that we just accomplished something equal to our effort. That would be nice.

Instead, I bust my butt to make scrip and cherish what I have. Course, I went into the last mission with like 6 grand, and came out with 2200. Yup, that's just lovely. I mean, I feel like I just walked through the bowels of hell and back, and when I finally come back from saving the world, I'm rewarded with, wait for it, 500 ******* pieces of scrip? 500? Equal to like 3 or 4 deaths? Like, really? Oh, wait, I got some piece of **** PISTOL that I'll never use too. At least I can sell that for like what, 600 or whatever. I mean give me a break. After going through that sort of a challenge all we get is 500 scrip and a crappy weapon? I mean, it's not even a GOLD weapon! Give me something to make me feel like I accomplished something! Instead, I feel like I gained nothing but some stupid new title I get to choose. Whoopdee do. And ok, maybe I'm being harsh, or maybe I'm just being fair, from the standpoint of the layperson. No sense of victory whatsoever. And hell, even the ending clip was far from satisfactory. No celebration, no sense of victory, just that same monotone dumbass talking all monotone and telling me hey, let's get a beer. I mean seriously? For a game this hyped, that was the best they could come up with??

I dunno, I just feel empty a bit. No good new weapon to use, no real scrip to spend (hell, to the contrary, I almost lost it all), and not even a good ending scene to give me something to rave about. To be fair, I thought the last battle was friggin awesome. It was exhilarating in ways, and a fist pumping type accomplishment to beat. But that's where the satisfaction ended for me. I mean, again, 500 scrip. That equals one lousy level 1 mod for beating the main story. That's it. Oh, and a pistol, cause, like, we all just LOVE to use pistols in games like this...

Ok, rant over. Just needed to let it out I guess. Guess I had just been expecting more. Flame away, or whatever, I'm goin to bed...

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I can feel you on some of the rewards man. Hell some of the side missions are ludicrous if you do them solo even. And those rewards are equally bad. Anything dealing with Hell Bugs from Grant in Madera i think it is? It's the same area as Shontu's Consulate. those damn missions SUCK SO HARD for 1 crappy random level mod (I always get white or green, joy). The mission "Waist Deep" had me cursing so loud my neighbors came to see if I was killing someone in my condo for real. Murder in Madera 3 was pretty horse**** too with the final journal page spawning not one but TWO Raider Tanker enemies in a small area that if you didn't notice were coming you were just utterly screwed and would revive almost a kilometer away at the last respawn post. So, just saying, I agree man; I'm not as far along in the story as you have gotten but admittedly many times the rewards do not feel like they justify the aggravation or investment of time.

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Originally Posted by DeMoted

You spelt "nothing" wrong.

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Spelled. Spelt is a grain.

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Originally Posted by wilks

At least this one doesn't claim to have done it in 1 try.

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Is it so hard to believe, especially when so many people say it, that people actually beat the boss on their first try? You're treating it as if we're all in on some big troll attempt at the rest of the games population.

@Jeff: Single player RPG =/= MMOTPS. You can run around and hunt anything you want, explore anywhere you can see, assuming you're crafty enough to figure out the way up there. There are a bunch of side quests and dynamic events. I swear the lot of you has never played an MMO of any kind before. Have you done every pursuit? maxed every faction? maxed every gun type? No? Then the game still has content, whether you choose to do it or not is something completely different.

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Originally Posted by Napalm Sunrise

I can feel you on some of the rewards man. Hell some of the side missions are ludicrous if you do them solo even. And those rewards are equally bad. Anything dealing with Hell Bugs from Grant in Madera i think it is? It's the same area as Shontu's Consulate. those damn missions SUCK SO HARD for 1 crappy random level mod (I always get white or green, joy). The mission "Waist Deep" had me cursing so loud my neighbors came to see if I was killing someone in my condo for real. Murder in Madera 3 was pretty horse**** too with the final journal page spawning not one but TWO Raider Tanker enemies in a small area that if you didn't notice were coming you were just utterly screwed and would revive almost a kilometer away at the last respawn post. So, just saying, I agree man; I'm not as far along in the story as you have gotten but admittedly many times the rewards do not feel like they justify the aggravation or investment of time.

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Good point. How much frustration do we need in a game? A Game PPL!!!! After a point if your too frustrated, your not having fun. And that is the CORE of EVERY GAME. To have fun! If you don't get that then you don't get gaming. And you have assigned some kind of meaning to gaming that just doesn't exist. Im sure the game developers love ppl who will pay to play anything no matter how frustrating and unbalanced it is. But if this is you, mabe you should just pay someone your $60 to punch you in the stomach if you like punishment so much, and just stay the hell away from gaming.

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Originally Posted by wilks

Good point. How much frustration do we need in a game? A Game PPL!!!! After a point if your too frustrated, your not having fun. And that is the CORE of EVERY GAME. To have fun! If you don't get that then you don't get gaming. And you have assigned some kind of meaning to gaming that just doesn't exist. Im sure the game developers love ppl who will pay to play anything no matter how frustrating and unbalanced it is. But if this is you, mabe you should just pay someone your $60 to punch you in the stomach if you like punishment so much, and just stay the hell away from gaming.

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for many, the point isn't fun, so much as the feeling of accomplishment, and overcoming a challenge. Why do we climb mountains when we could just have a helicopter drop us off at the top?

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Originally Posted by IAMREALITY

i complain too much...

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yes you do...yes you do :)

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Originally Posted by ironhands

for many, the point isn't fun, so much as the feeling of accomplishment, and overcoming a challenge. Why do we climb mountains when we could just have a helicopter drop us off at the top?

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Your seriously arguing accomplishment in a video game? There is no such thing. It's all fake. Your not really fighting a war, your not really saving lives. This is for fun. There is no reward here but the fun of playing.

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Originally Posted by cfStatic

Is it so hard to believe, especially when so many people say it, that people actually beat the boss on their first try? You're treating it as if we're all in on some big troll attempt at the rest of the games population.

@Jeff: Single player RPG =/= MMOTPS. You can run around and hunt anything you want, explore anywhere you can see, assuming you're crafty enough to figure out the way up there. There are a bunch of side quests and dynamic events. I swear the lot of you has never played an MMO of any kind before. Have you done every pursuit? maxed every faction? maxed every gun type? No? Then the game still has content, whether you choose to do it or not is something completely different.

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Yay another thread like this with disillusioned fanboys defending grinding to the death. I've picked this post out randomly from all the flawed opinions of how much great content this game has.

You're comparing Skyrim to Defiance. If Skyrim had multiplayer it would be more of an MMO than Defiance. Skyrim has; Crafting, Trade hubs, actual repeatable quests, changing scenery, professions, skill trees. None of which Defiance has.

But that's besides the point, we're talking about Defiance here.

The side quests: Run out after a short while if you're even prepared to do the same tedious quest based in a different location. Side quests are literal clones of earlier quests once you hit SF.

Dynamic events: Nothing dynamic about them. The hellbug major arkfall will always spawn the same bugs in the same order at the same health %'s no matter how many people.

Pursuits: Your 'content' pursuits involve literally just holding down the trigger at either an arkfall or a spawn door until you finally get 10,000 kills on the relevant mob. Thats not content, thats lazy development.

Reputation: You're limited on faction rep gain by the single daily quest per faction and one weekly. This is an artificial handicap to slow down people and force them to do other things despite them wanting to get rep up. Again this isnt content, lazy dev.

Max every gun type: Ties in with the pursuits, a pointless endeavor that yes whilst it gives you an extra few % on your melee damage and things is as hard as simply pressing the trigger for a few hours. Doesnt matter what you're shooting at, or where, they ditched this in other MMO's because people would find some unkillable target and leave it on autoattack for a few hours to level up the most pointless stat in the game.

Your defense for content is actually defense for the laziest developers we've seen in recent MMO history, putting mammoth grinds or artificial road blocks on players is just plan awful.

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Originally Posted by wilks

Your seriously arguing accomplishment in a video game? There is no such thing. It's all fake. Your not really fighting a war, your not really saving lives. This is for fun. There is no reward here but the fun of playing.

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'FUN' is subjective. For you simply playing and beating the game might be fun for others getting rewarded in terms of good loot is fun. There is no right or wrong here so stop telling others what is 'FUN'.