So, I Just Beat Defiance. Well, Errr, Thanks For Nuttin Trion...

First, the main story was a bit, well, short. But that's not really my main gripe, so I digress. My gripe is that not all of us are gifted at these games. For some of us, it's quite a challenge. But we stick with it. We try and try and fail a million times before victory, all while somehow finding the strength to contain ourselves from throwing our controllers straight through the damn tv. So when we finally do achieve victory, we like to feel some form of reward, some sort of sign that we just accomplished something equal to our effort. That would be nice.

Instead, I bust my butt to make scrip and cherish what I have. Course, I went into the last mission with like 6 grand, and came out with 2200. Yup, that's just lovely. I mean, I feel like I just walked through the bowels of hell and back, and when I finally come back from saving the world, I'm rewarded with, wait for it, 500 ******* pieces of scrip? 500? Equal to like 3 or 4 deaths? Like, really? Oh, wait, I got some piece of **** PISTOL that I'll never use too. At least I can sell that for like what, 600 or whatever. I mean give me a break. After going through that sort of a challenge all we get is 500 scrip and a crappy weapon? I mean, it's not even a GOLD weapon! Give me something to make me feel like I accomplished something! Instead, I feel like I gained nothing but some stupid new title I get to choose. Whoopdee do. And ok, maybe I'm being harsh, or maybe I'm just being fair, from the standpoint of the layperson. No sense of victory whatsoever. And hell, even the ending clip was far from satisfactory. No celebration, no sense of victory, just that same monotone dumbass talking all monotone and telling me hey, let's get a beer. I mean seriously? For a game this hyped, that was the best they could come up with??

I dunno, I just feel empty a bit. No good new weapon to use, no real scrip to spend (hell, to the contrary, I almost lost it all), and not even a good ending scene to give me something to rave about. To be fair, I thought the last battle was friggin awesome. It was exhilarating in ways, and a fist pumping type accomplishment to beat. But that's where the satisfaction ended for me. I mean, again, 500 scrip. That equals one lousy level 1 mod for beating the main story. That's it. Oh, and a pistol, cause, like, we all just LOVE to use pistols in games like this...

Ok, rant over. Just needed to let it out I guess. Guess I had just been expecting more. Flame away, or whatever, I'm goin to bed...

No. You did not beat defiance.

Its not a static single player game.

so just the knowledge that you did something isn't enough but an arbitrary amount of a currency that isn't useful for anything is? ok then, whatever you say, but it obviously wasn't as big a challenge for you as you're making it out to be if you aren't just happy to have done it.

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Originally Posted by Cyan

No. You did not beat defiance.

Its not a static single player game.

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beat is relative, he may not have finished everything the game has to offer but he has done all the content relative to him, so as far as he's concerned he's finished it.

it may not be a static single player game, but for most people there is an end to what they would consider content.

You spelt "nothing" wrong.

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Originally Posted by Zoridium JackL

so just the knowledge that you did something isn't enough but an arbitrary amount of a currency that isn't useful for anything is? ok then, whatever you say, but it obviously wasn't as big a challenge for you as you're making it out to be if you aren't just happy to have done it.

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I dont really care, but the last fight's rewards were a bit disappointing. Hey you just saved all of us here's 500 scrip and a pistol, now go away.

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Originally Posted by DeMoted

You spelt "nothing" wrong.

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Really? You're pathetic.

Another person with the assumption that what is currently in the game is all, yet another person to mute in forums :D. There is nothing constructive about these posts

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Originally Posted by IAMREALITY

First, the main story was a bit, well, short. But that's not really my main gripe, so I digress. My gripe is that not all of us are gifted at these games. For some of us, it's quite a challenge. But we stick with it. We try and try and fail a million times before victory, all while somehow finding the strength to contain ourselves from throwing our controllers straight through the damn tv. So when we finally do achieve victory, we like to feel some form of reward, some sort of sign that we just accomplished something equal to our effort. That would be nice.

Instead, I bust my butt to make scrip and cherish what I have. Course, I went into the last mission with like 6 grand, and came out with 2200. Yup, that's just lovely. I mean, I feel like I just walked through the bowels of hell and back, and when I finally come back from saving the world, I'm rewarded with, wait for it, 500 ******* pieces of scrip? 500? Equal to like 3 or 4 deaths? Like, really? Oh, wait, I got some piece of **** PISTOL that I'll never use too. At least I can sell that for like what, 600 or whatever. I mean give me a break. After going through that sort of a challenge all we get is 500 scrip and a crappy weapon? I mean, it's not even a GOLD weapon! Give me something to make me feel like I accomplished something! Instead, I feel like I gained nothing but some stupid new title I get to choose. Whoopdee do. And ok, maybe I'm being harsh, or maybe I'm just being fair, from the standpoint of the layperson. No sense of victory whatsoever. And hell, even the ending clip was far from satisfactory. No celebration, no sense of victory, just that same monotone dumbass talking all monotone and telling me hey, let's get a beer. I mean seriously? For a game this hyped, that was the best they could come up with??

I dunno, I just feel empty a bit. No good new weapon to use, no real scrip to spend (hell, to the contrary, I almost lost it all), and not even a good ending scene to give me something to rave about. To be fair, I thought the last battle was friggin awesome. It was exhilarating in ways, and a fist pumping type accomplishment to beat. But that's where the satisfaction ended for me. I mean, again, 500 scrip. That equals one lousy level 1 mod for beating the main story. That's it. Oh, and a pistol, cause, like, we all just LOVE to use pistols in games like this...

Ok, rant over. Just needed to let it out I guess. Guess I had just been expecting more. Flame away, or whatever, I'm goin to bed...

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I wont flame, BUT u r missing the fact that u have no where near beat the game, this is the begining of the game!! Might want to read a little about whats going on in Defiance, u will b very happy a game that keeps going and going and going Umm where have I heard that before

Oh, I'm totally still playing the rest of the side missions. I meant finished the main story. Figured my intent was obvious, but then, I have a feeling the other poster knew damn well what I meant, and just thinks he's cool by making some stupid point with no relevance.

Silly man you dident beat the game. You still got all the season one challanges to do . When you beat that then you can say you beat the game

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Originally Posted by THE CRAZZED

I wont flame, BUT u r missing the fact that u have no where near beat the game, this is the begining of the game!! Might want to read a little about whats going on in Defiance, u will b very happy a game that keeps going and going and going Umm where have I heard that before

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Ugh, I get it. I know there's a ton more to do. But the story is the story. If it wasn't meant to have an end then it shouldn't have had an end. It did. And a relatively hard one at that. And people could say all the garbage they want about how just the satisfaction of beating it should be enough, blah blah blah, but that's a load of malarkey. Of course it felt good to win that battle. That isn't the point. The point is that the least they could do is give you more than one level 1 mod's worth of scrip for it. Hey, how bout give me a level 3 mod, or a gold gun, or a neat new vehicle. How bout anything to make me feel going forward that I actually accomplished some part of this game. Something that says hey, good show, here's a neat new buggy that you can only get from beating that level. Or here's a nice new assault rifle called the hero rifle. I don't care. Just anything at all more than a buck and a hey, ark hunter, let me buy you a drink. How hard is that to grasp? I mean really?

No sense of accomplishment in this game so far, even after beating the main story. Still just grinding away with no real progression or finances to speak of. Hell, I feel like I've been stuck on 4 ego bonus slots forever. Not that the bonuses seem to do diddly squat anyway, but that's a whole separate point.

Instead of flaming away, I'll try as nicely as I can to remind you that what you experienced wasn't the grand finally of a game. :)

The final mission you experienced was not a conclusion as such, in the same way that raiders still run rampant, 99'ers still insist on their way to "perfect harmony", Scrappers still run rampant guided by some inexplicable hand or reason, and Dark Matter are most probably still out to eradicate those they deem inferior.

That being said, I can somewhat understand you - but not quite relate.
The scrip you lost "wasn't that much". As subjective as that may sound, side missions, arkfalls, random drops and so on would eventually garner you enough scrip that the amount you lost starts to seem like it was petty cash.
Another aspect is that you are "supposed" to gauge your accomplishment against other players in the game, not just the story.

As you said, you felt a sense of accomplishment after beating a hard fight - and while the rewards were petty, hopefully you'll be able to look past that and look forward to the next hard fight you may come across as the game evolves beyond its current scope. :)

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Another person with the assumption that what is currently in the game is all, yet another person to mute in forums :D. There is nothing constructive about these posts

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Thank you captain constructive. God noselifters are annoying...

The Rant was unnecessary but the final boss rewards should be bumped up a little. Right now the final Boss isn't even worth beating.

I read up until the point when the OP mentioned the scrip difference due to resurrection costs, and it made me think of something. What happens if you die with 0 scrip? I'm assuming that you are resurrected at no cost, but you're broke, so that's the drawback in itself. But what if you trade all of your scrip to a friend before entering a difficult mission, one of which you are certain to die within at least once? No loss of scrip! Unless, of course, this is someone you met two minutes prior... :(

As for getting 500 scrip for completing a mission, that's actually pretty good. The most you see on mobs is about 1 or 2 scrip per kill. If anything, they need to definitely increase the amount you can find in the outside world. Hell, I've found more scrip on a hellbug than I have on an EMC mutant. Where's the logic in that? Do they eat wallets, too?

Next open world event: Stop the Hellbug Bank Heist

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Originally Posted by Santiak

Instead of flaming away, I'll try as nicely as I can to remind you that what you experienced wasn't the grand finally of a game. :)

The final mission you experienced was not a conclusion as such, in the same way that raiders still run rampant, 99'ers still insist on their way to "perfect harmony", Scrappers still run rampant guided by some inexplicable hand or reason, and Dark Matter are most probably still out to eradicate those they deem inferior.

That being said, I can somewhat understand you - but not quite relate.
The scrip you lost "wasn't that much". As subjective as that may sound, side missions, arkfalls, random drops and so on would eventually garner you enough scrip that the amount you lost starts to seem like it was petty cash.
Another aspect is that you are "supposed" to gauge your accomplishment against other players in the game, not just the story.

As you said, you felt a sense of accomplishment after beating a hard fight - and while the rewards were petty, hopefully you'll be able to look past that and look forward to the next hard fight you may come across as the game evolves beyond its current scope. :)

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Good points, and well taken. I mean trust me, I was supposed to go to bed but am still playing side missions. It's not like I hate the game or am gonna swear off it or anything. Guess it really was just almost offensive to see 500 scrip. Like you said, that's next to nothing. Would 5 grand have been so overly generous to not be reasonable? To be honest, they probably should just let the last mission be free, as in ya don't get penalized financially for dying. That would've been pretty cool too. Though I must say, the fact they let you start at the beginning of whatever round you were at was quite welcome, as opposed to starting the whole battle from scratch...

Should get at least 10 grand for the final boss or at least a legendary weapon

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Good points, and well taken. I mean trust me, I was supposed to go to bed but am still playing side missions. It's not like I hate the game or am gonna swear off it or anything. Guess it really was just almost offensive to see 500 scrip. Like you said, that's next to nothing. Would 5 grand have been so overly generous to not be reasonable? To be honest, they probably should just let the last mission be free, as in ya don't get penalized financially for dying. That would've been pretty cool too. Though I must say, the fact they let you start at the beginning of whatever round you were at was quite welcome, as opposed to starting the whole battle from scratch...

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Aye, it is perhaps a bit on the skint side as far as rewards go - but between the impoverised farming community and Varus, perhaps it was quite a big sum, albeit trying to look at it from a "roleplay" perspective doesn't increase the value of it all.
On a sidenote, I noticed you mentioned:

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Originally Posted by IAMREALITY

...Or here's a nice new assault rifle called the hero rifle. I don't care...

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Well, the gun - while not your prefered weapon - was one such reward. As far as I'm aware, that gun is unique (not by rarity, but by name), and can't be found outside of completing that mission.

u did not beat the game. It does not start till the show comes out.

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Originally Posted by StickyChief

The Rant was unnecessary but the final boss rewards should be bumped up a little. Right now the final Boss isn't even worth beating.

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I got an awesom pistol it was wort it for me :D

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Originally Posted by MRwright

u did not beat the game. It does not start till the show comes out.

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Care to link your source?

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Originally Posted by IAMREALITY

So when we finally do achieve victory, we like to feel some form of reward, some sort of sign that we just accomplished something equal to our effort. That would be nice.

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Someone has never played a NES game where all you get at the end is a screen that says "congrates u vin"... yes it should read "congratulations you have won" but 99% of the time the ending screen didn't have proper spelling/grammar, HELL you were lucky if you even got an ending screen lots of the time the game just started over. So consider yourself lucky that you get stuff now....

I can totally understand his frustration to the fact there is no sense of satisfaction by completing all quests in game including main story line (atm anyway) yes they will be adding more content but of course they will be duhh. The game was far less satisfying then most mmo's or related game types.

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Originally Posted by Jamesdanex

Care to link your source?

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In your 2 months and 200 posts of being on these forums you have managed to completely miss every single mention of the game following the show and releasing new content weekly as well as the 5 big DLC packs being released throughout season 1?

Really?

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Originally Posted by IAMREALITY

First, the main story was a bit, well, short. But that's not really my main gripe, so I digress. My gripe is that not all of us are gifted at these games. For some of us, it's quite a challenge. But we stick with it. We try and try and fail a million times before victory, all while somehow finding the strength to contain ourselves from throwing our controllers straight through the damn tv. So when we finally do achieve victory, we like to feel some form of reward, some sort of sign that we just accomplished something equal to our effort. That would be nice.

Instead, I bust my butt to make scrip and cherish what I have. Course, I went into the last mission with like 6 grand, and came out with 2200. Yup, that's just lovely. I mean, I feel like I just walked through the bowels of hell and back, and when I finally come back from saving the world, I'm rewarded with, wait for it, 500 ******* pieces of scrip? 500? Equal to like 3 or 4 deaths? Like, really? Oh, wait, I got some piece of **** PISTOL that I'll never use too. At least I can sell that for like what, 600 or whatever. I mean give me a break. After going through that sort of a challenge all we get is 500 scrip and a crappy weapon? I mean, it's not even a GOLD weapon! Give me something to make me feel like I accomplished something! Instead, I feel like I gained nothing but some stupid new title I get to choose. Whoopdee do. And ok, maybe I'm being harsh, or maybe I'm just being fair, from the standpoint of the layperson. No sense of victory whatsoever. And hell, even the ending clip was far from satisfactory. No celebration, no sense of victory, just that same monotone dumbass talking all monotone and telling me hey, let's get a beer. I mean seriously? For a game this hyped, that was the best they could come up with??

I dunno, I just feel empty a bit. No good new weapon to use, no real scrip to spend (hell, to the contrary, I almost lost it all), and not even a good ending scene to give me something to rave about. To be fair, I thought the last battle was friggin awesome. It was exhilarating in ways, and a fist pumping type accomplishment to beat. But that's where the satisfaction ended for me. I mean, again, 500 scrip. That equals one lousy level 1 mod for beating the main story. That's it. Oh, and a pistol, cause, like, we all just LOVE to use pistols in games like this...

Ok, rant over. Just needed to let it out I guess. Guess I had just been expecting more. Flame away, or whatever, I'm goin to bed...

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Typical immature doom bringer.
This is an MMO buddy.
It has what us big boys call " Evolution"
It is in its first days of infancy and people are whining about such bull.
Even the biggest MMO in the world WoW started like a pile of crap.
Battlegrounds didn't work, character screens were blank, glitching of graphics and terrible mob tagging made the game a pig.
But us grown ups knew what was involved in such a mammoth task of creating a living perpetual online world.
Look what happened to WoW.
12 million player-base at its prime.
Even now 8 years on its still a huge draw and why......because people like me stuck by this little company called Blizzard.
Trion did an awesome job on rift.
Seriously, Trion have been far better for their community than Blizzard ever was and still is.
So look at the big picture and think about what is happening here.
Blizzard had the "easy" task of producing a game on 1 platform , PC.
Trion has done an incredible achievement by rolling out a game on all 3 platforms " at the same time".
They have just e-mailed me an apology for the sticky starting week.
This shows how attuned they are with the playerbase.
So look at your whining and put it all into context.
To all us true gamers, Trion are working a wonder here and deserve a massive thank you.
To people like you who obviously haven't a clue, this community is far better off without you.
Because is someone is undecided on purchasing this game and reads your ill informed claptrap,it will put them off.
Please , dude, close the door " very quietly as you leave".

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Originally Posted by Raikon

Typical immature doom bringer.
This is an MMO buddy.
It has what us big boys call " Evolution"
It is in its first days of infancy and people are whining about such bull.
Even the biggest MMO in the world WoW started like a pile of crap.
Battlegrounds didn't work, character screens were blank, glitching of graphics and terrible mob tagging made the game a pig.
But us grown ups knew what was involved in such a mammoth task of creating a living perpetual online world.
Look what happened to WoW.
12 million player-base at its prime.
Even now 8 years on its still a huge draw and why......because people like me stuck by this little company called Blizzard.
Trion did an awesome job on rift.
Seriously, Trion have been far better for their community than Blizzard ever was and still is.
So look at the big picture and think about what is happening here.
Blizzard had the "easy" task of producing a game on 1 platform , PC.
Trion has done an incredible achievement by rolling out a game on all 3 platforms " at the same time".
They have just e-mailed me an apology for the sticky starting week.
This shows how attuned they are with the playerbase.
So look at your whining and put it all into context.
To all us true gamers, Trion are working a wonder here and deserve a massive thank you.
To people like you who obviously haven't a clue, this community is far better off without you.
Because is someone is undecided on purchasing this game and reads your ill informed claptrap,it will put them off.
Please , dude, close the door " very quietly as you leave".

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Everyone's been flaming this guy, somewhat rightfully so, but you need to chill out. Stuck by blizzard? Blizzards a PoS company.

The way you make it sound seems like you thrive on a Virtual world.

You call him a whiner, but you wrote this huge post flaming him as if it's going to get you some e-peeps approval. Take your own advice. Close the door.

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Originally Posted by Raikon

Typical immature doom bringer.
This is an MMO buddy.
It has what us big boys call " Evolution"
It is in its first days of infancy and people are whining about such bull.
Even the biggest MMO in the world WoW started like a pile of crap.
Battlegrounds didn't work, character screens were blank, glitching of graphics and terrible mob tagging made the game a pig.
But us grown ups knew what was involved in such a mammoth task of creating a living perpetual online world.
Look what happened to WoW.
12 million player-base at its prime.
Even now 8 years on its still a huge draw and why......because people like me stuck by this little company called Blizzard.
Trion did an awesome job on rift.
Seriously, Trion have been far better for their community than Blizzard ever was and still is.
So look at the big picture and think about what is happening here.
Blizzard had the "easy" task of producing a game on 1 platform , PC.
Trion has done an incredible achievement by rolling out a game on all 3 platforms " at the same time".
They have just e-mailed me an apology for the sticky starting week.
This shows how attuned they are with the playerbase.
So look at your whining and put it all into context.
To all us true gamers, Trion are working a wonder here and deserve a massive thank you.
To people like you who obviously haven't a clue, this community is far better off without you.
Because is someone is undecided on purchasing this game and reads your ill informed claptrap,it will put them off.
Please , dude, close the door " very quietly as you leave".

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Wow. You take this WAYYYYYYYY more seriously than I do. My god. You really need to get out more I think...

When you get max ego rank, finish all the goals, and every mission in the game, then you will be finished. At least until new content is released. You didn't beat the game you just finished 1 part.

Not the end of the game, personally i enjoyed the last fight. Tho using my zappy magno beam thingy he was never an actual threat to me. Still want his sword, whats wrong with robbing the dead he dont need it! :P

oh look, its one of those threads..

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Originally Posted by Jamesdanex

I dont really care, but the last fight's rewards were a bit disappointing. Hey you just saved all of us here's 500 scrip and a pistol, now go away.

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This is the issue. The reward is very poor given the risk involved.

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Originally Posted by IAMREALITY

Ugh, I get it. I know there's a ton more to do. But the story is the story. If it wasn't meant to have an end then it shouldn't have had an end. It did.

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No it didn't. It might as well have had "To be continued" at what you call the end. The story is clearly not over.

I skipped all the comments but all I read in the initial post is blah blah blah I suck at the game and so that means that the game was horrible. You had 6k scrip at the end of the game AFTER saving up?? and you had under 2k by time you finished the last mission? That is your own fault, you need some more skill do not blame the game. The last boss fight was a bit underwhelming and a purple pistol kinda sucked but it is not like it really matters in this game you can kill mobs just fine with a white gun as well as a orange one. Thanks for playing the game and disliking it because you do not know how to play or get that the game is not all about the main quest line.

I'm still progressing through. Seems strange to me if there's no defining reward for completing the story quest? No title or outfit or amazing cut scene? I'm sure Defiance will attract a fair proportion of classic linear game players (especially on the Xbox), so would have thought Trion would put something in to give them a sense of grand achievement at that point in their journey.

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I'm still progressing through. Seems strange to me if there's no defining reward for completing the story quest? No title or outfit or amazing cut scene? I'm sure Defiance will attract a fair proportion of classic linear game players (especially on the Xbox), so would have thought Trion would put something in to give them a sense of grand achievement at that point in their journey.

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You get a gun and a title for beating the boss. There's also a cutscene that definitely shows that the story isn't over. I don't think I'd call any of the cutscenes amazing but they do the job.

Is the reward of beating a boss no longer enough for people these day's :<

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Originally Posted by Zoridium JackL

beat is relative, he may not have finished everything the game has to offer but he has done all the content relative to him, so as far as he's concerned he's finished it.

it may not be a static single player game, but for most people there is an end to what they would consider content.

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Pure semantics, the content can be as relative as it likes, the fact of the matter is, he hasn't beaten the game. there is a ton of other content out there. furthermore, if he died so much he blew 4k scrip in there, he likely isnt a great player anyway..

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Originally Posted by Ronan DEx

Pure semantics, the content can be as relative as it likes, the fact of the matter is, he hasn't beaten the game. there is a ton of other content out there. furthermore, if he died so much he blew 4k scrip in there, he likely isnt a great player anyway..

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simple fact of the matter is that finished for you is not finished for someone else, I don't consider acheivments as proper content so I don't factor them into whether i've finished the game or not.

and to tell the truth, anybody who pulls out that ******** line about "you haven't done it all" is being a pretentious ***, you knew what he meant when he said finished and since you couldn't be bothered to actually contribute to the discussion you chose to argue semantics like an ignorant *******.

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Originally Posted by alpharougewarx

Silly man you dident beat the game. You still got all the season one challanges to do . When you beat that then you can say you beat the game

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When people are routinely told to achievement hunt within the 1st week that's a really bad sign.