At least this one doesn't claim to have done it in 1 try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thr0nes
At least this one doesn't claim to have done it in 1 try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thr0nes
I can feel you on some of the rewards man. Hell some of the side missions are ludicrous if you do them solo even. And those rewards are equally bad. Anything dealing with Hell Bugs from Grant in Madera i think it is? It's the same area as Shontu's Consulate. those damn missions SUCK SO HARD for 1 crappy random level mod (I always get white or green, joy). The mission "Waist Deep" had me cursing so loud my neighbors came to see if I was killing someone in my condo for real. Murder in Madera 3 was pretty horse**** too with the final journal page spawning not one but TWO Raider Tanker enemies in a small area that if you didn't notice were coming you were just utterly screwed and would revive almost a kilometer away at the last respawn post. So, just saying, I agree man; I'm not as far along in the story as you have gotten but admittedly many times the rewards do not feel like they justify the aggravation or investment of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by IAMREALITY
Spelled. Spelt is a grain.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeMoted
Is it so hard to believe, especially when so many people say it, that people actually beat the boss on their first try? You're treating it as if we're all in on some big troll attempt at the rest of the games population.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilks
@Jeff: Single player RPG =/= MMOTPS. You can run around and hunt anything you want, explore anywhere you can see, assuming you're crafty enough to figure out the way up there. There are a bunch of side quests and dynamic events. I swear the lot of you has never played an MMO of any kind before. Have you done every pursuit? maxed every faction? maxed every gun type? No? Then the game still has content, whether you choose to do it or not is something completely different.
Good point. How much frustration do we need in a game? A Game PPL!!!! After a point if your too frustrated, your not having fun. And that is the CORE of EVERY GAME. To have fun! If you don't get that then you don't get gaming. And you have assigned some kind of meaning to gaming that just doesn't exist. Im sure the game developers love ppl who will pay to play anything no matter how frustrating and unbalanced it is. But if this is you, mabe you should just pay someone your $60 to punch you in the stomach if you like punishment so much, and just stay the hell away from gaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Napalm Sunrise
for many, the point isn't fun, so much as the feeling of accomplishment, and overcoming a challenge. Why do we climb mountains when we could just have a helicopter drop us off at the top?Quote:
Originally Posted by wilks
yes you do...yes you do :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IAMREALITY
Your seriously arguing accomplishment in a video game? There is no such thing. It's all fake. Your not really fighting a war, your not really saving lives. This is for fun. There is no reward here but the fun of playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ironhands
Yay another thread like this with disillusioned fanboys defending grinding to the death. I've picked this post out randomly from all the flawed opinions of how much great content this game has.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfStatic
You're comparing Skyrim to Defiance. If Skyrim had multiplayer it would be more of an MMO than Defiance. Skyrim has; Crafting, Trade hubs, actual repeatable quests, changing scenery, professions, skill trees. None of which Defiance has.
But that's besides the point, we're talking about Defiance here.
The side quests: Run out after a short while if you're even prepared to do the same tedious quest based in a different location. Side quests are literal clones of earlier quests once you hit SF.
Dynamic events: Nothing dynamic about them. The hellbug major arkfall will always spawn the same bugs in the same order at the same health %'s no matter how many people.
Pursuits: Your 'content' pursuits involve literally just holding down the trigger at either an arkfall or a spawn door until you finally get 10,000 kills on the relevant mob. Thats not content, thats lazy development.
Reputation: You're limited on faction rep gain by the single daily quest per faction and one weekly. This is an artificial handicap to slow down people and force them to do other things despite them wanting to get rep up. Again this isnt content, lazy dev.
Max every gun type: Ties in with the pursuits, a pointless endeavor that yes whilst it gives you an extra few % on your melee damage and things is as hard as simply pressing the trigger for a few hours. Doesnt matter what you're shooting at, or where, they ditched this in other MMO's because people would find some unkillable target and leave it on autoattack for a few hours to level up the most pointless stat in the game.
Your defense for content is actually defense for the laziest developers we've seen in recent MMO history, putting mammoth grinds or artificial road blocks on players is just plan awful.
'FUN' is subjective. For you simply playing and beating the game might be fun for others getting rewarded in terms of good loot is fun. There is no right or wrong here so stop telling others what is 'FUN'.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilks
The voice of someone who actually never accomplished anything of difficulty in a game. Why do people play sports competitively? To accomplish success. Your pursuits are a simplified form of time = reward = accomplishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilks
Our brains still perceive it similarly and release the same chemicals to some degree. If it didn't, games wouldn't have varying difficulty.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilks
Sitting around playing a fps and mindlessly shooting things is not accomplishment. Sports requires actual physical effort. Mabe if this was a strategy game where you use your mind it might be something like chess. But its not. Its a shooting gallery, glorified and packaged for the gaming industry. The only differences in skill levels are enemies with more health and do more dmg. And of course the last boss can stand there and have your shots go right through him. Not really an accomplishment to beat him, its just frustrating on a level that isn't fun. And there is no one waiting to congratulate you when you beat him. You will just be waiting for the next boss to be released with the next content patch. There is no true accomplishment in video games. Its all just for fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anim
And you still continue to define and argue about something so subjective like 'FUN'. Ever considered this though that what is fun for you might not be the same for others?Quote:
Originally Posted by wilks
Unless you are so full of yourself that you are certain that only your idea of FUN applies to everyone else? you can't be so full of yourself now can you?
I feel bad for you, it's a shame you don't feel any accomplishment for overcoming challenges in a game. Guess that's why there's Nintendogs and Mario Party though.
The world of competitive gaming would like to introduce itself. Where FPS games are a mainstay of events around the world where players earn hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. I better go tell them they actually accomplished nothing and should stop being so bad at life.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilks
Honestly, you have to be trolling now, nobody can be as naive as you.
This just about sums it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkheal
The only ironic thing here is that you're correcting him and you're wrong. When used as a verb and not a noun, spelt actually is a variant past tense of spell, in the same way that dreamt is a variant past tense of dream. The dictionary is your friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic Fox
So you didnt actually read their post, you just put on your fanboy blinkers and ignored his genuine criticism. They finished the main story line that was available on release and all they got was a pistol and pocket change in scrip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phrase Universe
Edit- In fact I think previous missions gave better rewards, things like the purple AR.
Few points I would like to add.
1. OP I can feel your pain on this one. But if the end boss dropped some amazingly awesome item would you not try to save him until you are max ego?
2. If you gave you a title then he gave you a special reward that can only be gained by killing him. Some people would rather have a piece of loot. But I know myself I rather have that title that I can carry around and use from the day I get it until the day the servers are flipped off.
3. I hate how far off topic this all has gotten.
4. The missions they where talking about having done before the show starts are the ones marked episode quest. You get those few done really really early in the game.
That has been the point of Defiance all along. There's a reason the current achievement list is called 'Season one" .. the game is set up so that it will progress along side the show. What we have now is just the beginning.
Hahaha. Competitive gaming? Where ppl come and pay an entry fee to enter a competition? This is not a profession where ppl can earn a living. In fact its not a profession at all. In a profession you get paid a salary, win or lose. Gaming competitions are part of the same misconception that gaming is an accomplishment. 3 ppl out of hundreds or even thousands get paid for the win and the rest are out of pocket. Competition for its own sake is an accomplishment but when your playing a game it really isn't. If it were it would be a real profession like in sports. If you make a pro team, as i said before, you get a salary. The gaming industry wants you to think that these are accomplishments. But cmon man, if it really were that much of a job, it would be a real paid job. And there would be ppl being paid to play games. As far as we know, only testers get paid to play. And thats not what i'm talking about here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anim
Gaming is for fun. It should be fun. Not a chore or an accomplishment. We paid for fun, not to have to prove ourselves.
This is an MMO. You don't "beat" a MMO. This is not a typical shooter. If you want a typical shooter then go play one and don't complain about the game being what it is.
This guy is adorable, he thinks the game is over when he finishes the main mission, lol!
Did I not just say that single player RPG =/= MMOTPS? Really? I'm not comparing the two, just the opposite. They're different genres altogether. Apples and Oranges. He said he could go anywhere and do anything in Skyrim, it's the same here. The stupidly tall hill/mountain thing over there? want to climb it? get on your ATV and get to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anim
Moving on.
The side quests: I implore you to go out into any mmo title and find actual unique quests. You can't. They're all broken down to the same 3 or so quest types. Gather, Kill, Talk. Hell, lots of games combine them. You might find a quest every so often that has you solve a puzzle or something, but for MMOs, it's generally limited to these. If you wanna come at me about how they're dressed up, you're more than welcome to do so. It doesn't change the fact that it's still gather, kill, talk or a combination of them.
Dynamic events*: They're scripted, but so is everything you do in this game sans pvp. That's not a valid detractor from them though. And Ark Falls aren't the only dynamic event, emergencies, the things that everyone drives past in the middle of the road? There are those as well.
Pursuits: Like any other achievement anywhere in gaming that has them? It's a great carrot and stick tool to get people to go out and do the races/hotshots/rampages.
Reputation: Because no other game in the history of gaming only lets you do 1-2 rep quests when you first start out with the faction and you have to earn your way to more of them. I'm not saying this is the case for Defiance, and this is one of the things I don't like about the game. I wish there was more here.
I came to the conclusion while writing this that you don't really like the systems that all devs, not just Trion, make use of when creating games. All the complaints you've levied against Defiance, you could say the same thing about any other game. Lack of quest diversity, achievements, ways to stretch content and so forth. Every game does this. If you wanna make a point of it not being dressed up fancily enough, I'll be right there with you. But don't act like Defiance is the odd man out here in the mechanics it employs.
*Please look no further than GW2 and all it's 'dynamic' content that every person and reviewer has touted as being new and innovating and blah blah blah. It's all scripted, and everyone on some level knows that. What a terrible argument. Honestly.
Here comes my second warning for being rude to another community member: You're a ****ing idiot. Plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilks
One does not simply beat an MMO ;)
it's one progressive storyline chain that has been completed, there will be more added. Your $60 entitles you to additional content for the life of the game.
And you just proved you know NOTHING.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilks
Games such as Quake3, Starcraft and Counter strike have had salaried players since before 2010, Quake3 in fact had full time professional players since way before that. Last year RIOT introduced their own league system with hundreds of players all with a salary being paid to play LoL (http://www.gameskinny.com/a4zwh/riot...-about-esports).
Kindly **** of a discussion that you have repeatedly proven you know nothing about.
you know the OP said he likes the game tho right? his only problem was that he didnt get the sense of achievement that he was expecting due to the rewards right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohlar
kinda wondering why you are on here moaning about this unfinished game and not just getting yourself down to where you can trade it?
I myself really are enjoing this game it did exactly what i wanted and better then that but in about 6 weeks this game will be different and ill still be enjoing it and you will prob be *****ing about another unfinished game and prob £100 worse off cuz u went out and brought the next big game that will be done in a weekend and then be about £20 in asda
so have fun with that..... toodles!:cool:
Still talking about competitions, not salaries. If you only get paid to go to a competition once in a while its still not a profession. How many of these ppl do you think actually support themselves and their families? And how many live in their parents basements? Profession? I think not. Also I'd like to point out that I'm not insulting ppl here so who's the troll?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anim
I understand your point, I'm just saying that the single player game is actually closer to being a fun MMO than Defiance is right now :PQuote:
Originally Posted by cfStatic
In all fairness, secret world did a pretty good job of it. The better games at least put a subtle cover over the top of the basic quests, sure they're all based on a simple premise but Defiance doesnt hide the fact. This just makes them far more boring than so many other mmo's that have a questing system.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfStatic
Theres nothing dynamic about the emergencies etc, once you finish one just wait there for 3 minutes and do the exact same event again from the start. It's the opposite of dynamic, it's just another side mission that you enter to start it rather than being given an objective location from an npc.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfStatic
Achievements are fine, its the ridiculous time sink ones that are the problem. Games did away with them a long time ago because they realised that it does nothing for the morale of the players. People would prefer a simple stat track once they've done 'kill a variety of these' rather than 'kill 10,000 of these to get a minor achievement'Quote:
Originally Posted by cfStatic
Again, other games did repution way better. I wouldnt mind it though if you could repeat the quests to get rep but right now doing a 10minute contract and than having to wait 23 hours to do it again is stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfStatic
It's one of my points, Defiance didnt even try to hide the simple mechanics and is even further away from trying anything new or in depth :\Quote:
Originally Posted by cfStatic
So agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfStatic
No you cretin, I was talking about year long contracted salaries. In the case of LoL they play weekly league games but dont get prize money BECAUSE they have a salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilks
If you want to talk about one off competitions, the last LoL and DotA2 tournaments had literally millions of dollars as prize funds. The LoL winners took home $200,000 EACH. Whens the last time you couldnt support a family on $200,000 for a weeks work? They have their own houses, in fact I'm betting are lot better off than you.
lots of professional athletes aren't given a salary, only those who play on teams, employed by franchises, are. They're businesses though, so it's more like employees, not self-funded/self employed athletes. How many olympic athletes are salaried? I read an article a few weeks ago about rowers and weight lifters relying on food stamps.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilks
>you dont have beat the game .... its an evolving mmo .... you just do the story mission till this point ...
its just like clearing Molten core and claiming that you beat WOW .... nobody tells that you are a hero or something ... the patch after you just start to do BWL ecc..
If is the first MMO you play get used... you have a long road ahead ...(we hope)
1 person winning enough to support themselves does not make a profession. It is still just a tournament. And salaries paid to the winners are still prizes despite being called salaries. And still i'm not insulting ppl here. Just making my point.
Your point is totally wrong and we've PROVED it. There are literally thousands upon thousands of people out there being paid a good regular salary to play games, how can you not get this in to your head?Quote:
Originally Posted by wilks
They have a contract, that they sign, to be employed by a company to play games. Or am I wrong, is my DBA job just a competition to have the best database and my salary is me winning a competition at my company?
I'm shocked that nobody has asked the really important question ...
Can I have your stuff ? :D
I sense a lot of hostility in your post, demanding this and that, calling people liers, let bygones be bygones. I've solo'ed arkfalls before and no one believed me until i posted a video. whats the point of lieing? the reward from killing nim is the fact that you did it.. you killed a boss that a lot of people have trouble with.. hes deffinetly not 600% harder then any other boss.. like I said in a previous post.. I used a BMG to kill him and I'm pretty sure my BMG's are only like... lvl 2? i don't even think weapon level matters, does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by wilks
I guess what I'm trying to say is, its like getting the black challenger.. your probably like "F*** ya!! i got this!" just because you don't like the title doesn't mean its worthless.. wear that S**t like pair of solid gold pants... and to be honest.. if you need to beat a game to make yourself happy and accomplished.. you need anti-depressants or something... I have depression problems and i didnt even get excited.. i just giggled because i killed him with a BMG...
Children learn that the game isnt catering to you as a person but to the community as a WHOLE just because you have trouble the world dosent stop. try beating space invaders on the N64.. i bet you wont be able to.. i still haven't to this day.
Dont jsut shoot at him guns a blaze, adapt to it and figure out how his AI works, study his movement and attacks, theres patterns to everything.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
~Albert Einstein
Ok if gaming is a profession, what does it produce? Every other profession is based on a product or service. At the end of a game tourney, what is the end product or service? A sense of accomplishment for the winner? How is that something that can be made into a real profession if it produces nothing? Its for FUN. It will NEVER be a real profession unless you are the ones making and selling the game. Or the ones holding the tourney and collecting the entry fees and sponsorship money.
is wilks the common enemy? Im seeing a lot of names i typically disagree with that i am now agreeing with.