Why all the bad reviews?

It's an MMOTPS, anyone who thought it was an rpg hasn't been paying attentio. Reviewing it based on the 360 is just pointless until the 360 issues are ironed out. Reviewing it before the show airs is a bit pointless because it's a tie in to the show. It does some things great, some things could use improvements but a bit too soon to be dishing out legit reviews.

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Originally Posted by Anim

So..... much ..... fanboy.............. dying...... <death sounds>

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Fanboying would imply Im somehow wrong, yet blindly defending the game. Please point to where Im wrong. Have fun with that while continuing to troll forums for a game you claim to have been bored with after 1 day. Yet here you are still obsessing over it.

The game actually hasn't gotten one decidedly 'bad' review, it's just gotten it's fair share of 'Meh.'

I'm loving the game, but a lot of the criticism has a point - especially regarding unavailable social components (i.e. chat) and a lot of the PVE content. And there is one universal thing most of the reviews are qualifying their numbers with: The potential is there. The combat, quite simply, is FUN. Nailing that right means quite a bit of the rest can be fixed. It's a solid foundation for awesomeness, but they have to keep building and tweaking.

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Originally Posted by Warkaiser

Fanboying would imply Im somehow wrong, yet blindly defending the game. Please point to where Im wrong. Have fun with that while continuing to troll forums for a game you claim to have been bored with after 1 day. Yet here you are still obsessing over it.

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Eh .... fine:

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Originally Posted by Warkaiser

There are a variety of reasons. Just to name a few:

1) Reviews being done on the 360 (which had the worst technical problems) Doesnt matter what it was reviewed on, if they said it was barely affected by bugs/glitches when reviewing the PC version the 360 buyers would feel pretty conned, review the worst and pleasantly suprise people

2) People who for some reason expected a full blown RPG even though it has been known for quite some time that it is not primarily an RPG but a shooter with some RPG elements thrown in Nobody expected a full blown rpg, or those that did are few and far between. What people did expect is a shooter with stuff to do in it that isnt the same two pvp maps of tdm on repeat. Even the level system isnt required in this game but theres no depth or feeling of progression no matter where you look and for any game you need that

3) Along with #2, lots of people who cant grasp the differences between shooter and RPG plenty of people know the difference, you're hung up on rpg vs shooter because people are using other mmo games to compare depth of content and playability, most mmo's are rpg's but even the other shooters have longer gameplay, more depth and significant replayability

4) Tons of console players who have never experienced an MMO launch before It seems, from these forums alone, that the majority of console players are loving this game, a few technical hitches but an mmo on a console is a start, despite how shallow it is

5) People who somehow believe that all MMOs in history EXCEPT for Defiance have somehow managed to launch 100% bug free and that the same amount of content was in those games at launch as there is now, even though those same games they mention have had several years and multiple patches and expansions since Nobody has ever claimed that ever, and especially not claimed that present day mmo = launch day mmo in terms of content. You just have a massive chip on your shoulder when people show you time and time again that other mmo games simply did launch with a ton of stuff to do which is why they're popular still. You need the original content to get the playerbase in the first place

6) People who no matter how many times they are told do not get that they have not beaten the game and that all they have done is equivalent to reading the prologue of a book and claiming to have read the entire book still insist they have beaten the game, regardless of the fact that new content will be released regularly starting this coming Monday You're expecting a review to be of what the game *might* be a year down the line? Thats a) stupid and b) giving Defiance an unfair advantage on every other review of every other mmo thats ever been released, and THAT is the reason you're fanboying to the extreme. This doesnt get preferential treatment because you're afraid that you made a mistake in buying it and are willing to defend the game to the death to stop the mistake being true

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Originally Posted by CowboyHatValor

The game actually hasn't gone one decidedly 'bad' review, it's just gotten it's fair share of 'Meh.'

I'm loving the game, but a lot of the criticism has a point - especially regarding unavailable social components (i.e. chat) and a lot of the PVE content. And there is one universal thing most of the reviews are qualifying their numbers with: The potential is there. The combat, quite simply, is FUN. Nailing that right means quite a bit of the rest can be fixed. It's a solid foundation for awesomeness, but they have to keep building and tweaking.

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This is the arguement that the majority of us have been making all along, but NOPE it's a perfect game and in 12 months we'll see just how wrong we were about how the game was launched with sweet FA content.

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Originally Posted by Warkaiser

Fanboying would imply Im somehow wrong, yet blindly defending the game. Please point to where Im wrong. Have fun with that while continuing to troll forums for a game you claim to have been bored with after 1 day. Yet here you are still obsessing over it.

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Accusing all reviewing sites for being upset because they didn't get money from Trion or even supporting this notion is just blind fanboyism. You can deny it all you want but that is what it is.

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Originally Posted by CowboyHatValor

The game actually hasn't gone one decidedly 'bad' review, it's just gotten it's fair share of 'Meh.'

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This is the real point.

Pretty much every aspect of the game could have been done or has been done better elsewhere. Does this mean the game itself is bad? No, but it also fails to impress on all levels. Why should Defiance get a 80 or 90 percent? The game is decidedly mediocre, and while it has room to grow there would have to be some pretty major overhauls to make it amazing.

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Originally Posted by VolDeVie

Read the reviews?

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This much ^^^^

The reviews speak volumes about what the perception of this game is. And most of them are on the mark.

there are many good ones too

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Originally Posted by Xaearth

Many shooter fans hate that it isn't their normal pew pew.
Many MMO fans hate that it isn't their normal grind grind.

It's hardly surprising the game has bad reviews when you think about it.

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This pretty much sums it up without going into loads of detail.
It falls short in every aspect, even though it almost was great - its just scratching at the surface.
It does a little of everything - stretches itself thin and excels in nothing. Not one aspect.

Very generalized, average game made for casual players.