Why all the bad reviews?

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Originally Posted by Warkaiser

There are a variety of reasons. Just to name a few:

1) Reviews being done on the 360 (which had the worst technical problems)

2) People who for some reason expected a full blown RPG even though it has been known for quite some time that it is not primarily an RPG but a shooter with some RPG elements thrown in

3) Along with #2, lots of people who cant grasp the differences between shooter and RPG

4) Tons of console players who have never experienced an MMO launch before

5) People who somehow believe that all MMOs in history EXCEPT for Defiance have somehow managed to launch 100% bug free and that the same amount of content was in those games at launch as there is now, even though those same games they mention have had several years and multiple patches and expansions since

6) People who no matter how many times they are told do not get that they have not beaten the game and that all they have done is equivalent to reading the prologue of a book and claiming to have read the entire book still insist they have beaten the game, regardless of the fact that new content will be released regularly starting this coming Monday

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Did you read the patch notes for this Mondays "big patch" there are no missions added its all fixes, nerfs and buffs. THATS IT. ZERO missions added...unless I missed that

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Originally Posted by CharmCitysKing

Did you read the patch notes for this Mondays "big patch" there are no missions added its all fixes, nerfs and buffs. THATS IT. ZERO missions added...unless I missed that

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Don't mind him.. he just loves to pull stuff out of his behind. The patch on 15th is just bug fixes.

I dunno why we are even wasting time on arguing if the game got the reviews it deserved or not. If you like the game and feel like it was worth the money then to you it was a good game. If you don't like the game and it feels like an waste of time then it wasn't. Simply put all the reviews in the world will not over power personal feelings. Plenty of games have had high ratings and ive hated them and plenty low but I have loved them.

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Originally Posted by Kryopsis

Okay, that's hardly unreasonable and you are right. I should probably apologize for insinuating that you were a moron. This said, the post I am replying to speaks better in your favour than all of your previous ones in this thread combined. Why not start out with this, rather than calling everyone who disagrees with you a fanboy?

I should clarify that I really like Defiance but I also do agree with a lot of the negative reviews. Unfortunately, as you just said yourself, a lot of people go by reviews when they decide to pick up a game. I do not see this ending well for Trion and I fear the chilly reception already blemished their reputation.

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Ill admit i play the devils advocate on here a lot. For every one thing someone says that Defiance does right, i will point out 5 things wrong. Its not to put down the game, its to bring up other parts of the game people over look. Defiance overall can be impressive (for some console players with no MMO experiance, its REALLY impressing them..), but to let things go un-noticed or pretend things are ok just gives Trion the green light to never listen to the fan base - who is expected to keep the game alive.
People, its OK to say "i like the game, it has a lot of flaws though and this is what they are" - and PLEASE say what you WOULD like changed with the game because as of now - it has no longevity. Reviews bad now? Yep and for a reason. Does that mean we have to roll over and settle with the game as it is? Nope. - and that is why im hard on this game. I want more depth, i want harder difficulty, I want things changed. This doesnt happen by people going "damn the reviews this game is GREAATT" I bet every Defiance player can find at least 1 thing they would like to see implemented.

I think it's impossible to review an MMO for one reason. MMOs change over time and get better or get worse. Content is added, bugs are fixed, glitches are removed. Player community can be huge at first, and then dwindle to near empty servers or vice versa.

Don't pay attention to review sites. Rent the game/borrow from a friend and then base your judgement.

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Originally Posted by BetaChapel

No point in arguing with the blind fans here.
They will defend this game because they spent 'X' amount of dollars on it (like we all did) and there is no way it can be bad.

Sure people can enjoy this game. People enjoy all sorts of things that others dont. However, looking at the MAJORITY of people - and no not the majority of people on this Forum. They are finding the game to be coming up short - All major game companies and a hell of a lot of people who you wont be seeing voice their opinion (because they are not wasting their time with it).
A game reviewer takes a lot into consideration. I dont always agree with them, but i take into consideration the factors they are basing their opinion off and compare them to my own.
#1 complaint for most - This game does not scratch an itch for shooting, and it does not scratch an itch an MMOrpg.
Some people just settle for mediocre and good for them. I have higher standards and the only reason im on these forums is to see if Trion will actually turn this game around (because its only their second game and they did make a decent MMOrpg their first try) we can all be hopeful, but im not buying into the fanboy hype.

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Ok so how about you stop playing and stop posting? If you feel the game is that bad why are you still playing, and if you're not, why would you bother coming on the forums to troll?

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Originally Posted by CharmCitysKing

Did you read the patch notes for this Mondays "big patch" there are no missions added its all fixes, nerfs and buffs. THATS IT. ZERO missions added...unless I missed that

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Did you read all of the other stuff they posted stating that once the show airs regular updates would be made to include content. They also quite clearly stated that every two months you would see DLC with half paid half free stuff in it. In fact they specifically said the content for the game like missions and things would be free. Seriously if you don't like the game trade it in and get another one. You're not constructive, you're whining. If you came on and said I like X Y and Z but suggest A B and C get changed/added or is not working properly that would be another story. However all this thread is full of is this game sucks I quit you should quit too and I hate the game so much I am going to live on its forums..............

A lot of the reviews have been positive to mixed in the reviews I've put in the compilation thread.

There are a lot of mixed because of launch issues and needed patches. I think the real story will be told in the months to come. Things will be fixed, or they won't. People will get bored, or they won't. Not sure how much the reviews will matter versus word of mouth. But I think the vast majority of reviewers of the reviews I've read find a lot to like about the game despite it's imperfections.

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Originally Posted by Youngwings

Eh... I guess some of that is true, however, the system is a lot more flawed than that. For Instance, Bioshock Infinite won 80 Awards and got a 10/10 on reviews... i beat it in 2 days (all 50 achievements). Reviewers need to stop only taking into consideration the possible flawed mechanics and take into consideration thinks like Replay Value, Game Time, Innovation... thinks that truly make a game new. I personally gave Bioshock Infinite a 7 because of its massive lack of Replay Value and Time playing.

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I've put a decent amount of time into this game. Ive also played many other genres. I agree, reviewers should also mention things such as replay value, game time and innovation.


As this is not my first mmo, I know that game time should be damn near infinite. I am fully aware that this portion we are all playing is basically a prologue till the show comes out. Players shouldn't be saying that they have completed the game but rather they have completed the available missions.


Replay valueIts easy to judge replay value in that I don't see the need to make a second character. What can I do with the second that I can't do with the first. Maybe some day In the future there will be stats and abilities that vary and make significant depending on what race or class or w/e but for me at this point in the game, if you've gone through everything once why go again?


Innovation So far I haven't seen anything innovative. Some mildly interesting powers, shoot stuff, level up, few co-op maps, even fewer pvp maps. If you mean innovative for the xbox then yes, this game is a big deal. Hey look at that first mmo on the 360. But being the first doesn't make something good or fun. Might make people curious but in the end its gameplay. Did you have fun? Would you recommend this game to a friend?


Everyone is entitled to their opinions about the game for what ever reason led them to that opinion. For me, the game is a little bland.


As you get further south enemies look more diverse and interesting. There seems to be no background music as your exploring the maps. Maybe theres a setting I didn't turn on to hear it, someone let me know if there is. Arkfalls seem to be a competition as to who can do the most damage, probably why I see so many cars driving around at the major ones. Almost no strategy seems required for any encounter be it arkfall, mission or co-op map. PVP matches seem to be over 2 minutes after I get in. You could factor pursuits into game time for the portion of the game that's out, but if you don't care for the reward why bother? Like the game, a good deal of the costume rewards seem bland or ugly. A couple of nice ones among them but only a couple.



I see there are issues with not being able to chat with other players. Hasn't been a problem for me, a few of my xbl friends also got the game out of curiosity. Could be our constantly playing together that makes the game appear more fun than it really is for us.


First few days sucked but the connection seems stable now. Not sure what the dlc will bring to the game, but until it comes out, for me the game is just meh.

Is it me, or did the Angry Joe review thread vanish? I get an error when trying to access it.