DLC for sale on a beta title?

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Originally Posted by rathb18

And expansion pack is not a DLC. DLC - "downloadable content" - is a very broad term for any additional parts of a game that you can obtain from any of the various online vendors. It's generally reserved for official content from the original publisher, to distinguish it from community content. That is, an additional module for Skyrim to add fancy armor for your horse would be a "mod" if a user did it, but "DLC" if Bethesda did it.

An "expansion pack" is a separate product that builds on top of an existing game to add significant new features. Expansion packs can usually be purchased at retail and installed from CD, and exist separately from their parent game. They are typically "mini games" in their own right, but rely on the content and engine of their original game for much of their content. In Skyrim, Dawnguard is obviously an "expansion pack" - it add new lands, new weapons, new skill trees, etc.

Examples of an Expansion Pack:
Dragon Age: Awakening
Crysis: Warhead

Examples of DLC:
Horse Armor(Oblivion)
Weapon Packs(Mass Effect)
Map Packs

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So the quibble here is definition? Really? Couldn't you really argue that all Expansions are just larger versions of DLC? Seriously.

Oh and most expansions cost say another $40~60 and take years to develop as they are almost stand alone games packaged in the current world. So for $10 (asking price for each future planned DLC) you get new fresh content in the form of: weapons, missions, vehicles, extension of story, development of world, etc. Which is ADDITION TOO the already expansive world you've been playing in for $60 without a subscription fee.

Without a subscription fee continued development of content must be supported via a re-occurring revenue stream, hence in-game boosts and future DLC.

YOU CAN EXPECT SOME ONE TO MAKE YOU A GAME FOR NOTHING! AND THEN RUN IT FOR NOTHING!

Take an economics for jekken sakes...

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Originally Posted by Thorolf Odinsson

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The only thing that comes to mind after reading that is this:

http://home.comcast.net/~valethar/im.../mmovirgin.jpg

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Originally Posted by Thorolf Odinsson

Who the hel pays for stuff like that. Fools I guess. I hope your game and TV show fail miserably.

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Are you an idiot or just slow? Wait no that's rude to slow people and idiots, There is gonna to be plenty of FREE add-ons they do, the major add ons will cost, they have already finished the game, just polishing it, they are working on four dlcs, there is already a season pass, to get the said DLCs when they are released, if you need me to list out the games that do the same thing I will.

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Originally Posted by Grey

Are you an idiot or just slow? Wait no that's rude to slow people and idiots, There is gonna to be plenty of FREE add-ons they do, the major add ons will cost, they have already finished the game, just polishing it, they are working on four dlcs, there is already a season pass, to get the said DLCs when they are released, if you need me to list out the games that do the same thing I will.

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Its five dlc's last I heard... I've been wrong before though.

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Originally Posted by Desidus

Its five dlc's last I heard... I've been wrong before though.

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You are correct.

http://www.defiance.com/en/dlc/pc/

Why do we keep feeding this thread? OP obviously has no interest in playing game so there's no point in arguing with trolls.

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Originally Posted by 0_d4RK_FaLLen

Why do we keep feeding this thread? OP obviously has no interest in playing game so there's no point in arguing with trolls.

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Cause people keep talking.. so we keep talking.. and then they keep talking... and it never ends... just goes round and round. Until it falls off the edges of the forum never to be revived again.

Feed your thread... Feed it.

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Originally Posted by Banefire

Feed your thread... Feed it.

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ummm first off its an MMO... by YOUR faulty logic (and everyone else this gen who doesnt understand the concept of DLC) ALL mmos are "incomplete. I mean does World of Warcraft not have expansions? does Guild Wars not have expansions? whats about Final Fantasy XI or Everquest 1 and 2? so all those are incomplete games too then are they not?

All I want to say is I remember the days before DLC on games and if they wanted to add new content it was in the next game! So that was a whole 49 bucks you had to pay for a updated game with the same title just ending in 2 or 3. So I like DLC it's only 15 or lower and that just fine with me.

I agree with the fact that planned DLC before the game is even released is reterded....however this is an MMO. MMOs are not your average game, they never have an ending. In order for an MMO to never have an ending, you need to add more content. IN order to add more content....you need more money. It's as simple as that, the only thing that people really need to fret over is how that money will be given to the developer and if the content will be good/worth it. Every MMO has their own way of making this money, the 2 best ways are subscription(15$ a month) or B2p and 1 time pay intervals($60 purchase then repeated purchases for new content). AN MMO will never be a FINISHED PRODUCT, so your rants are useless as an MMO will always be INCOMPLETE.

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Originally Posted by Thorolf Odinsson

I came here because I saw the preview on PSN last week and the game looked interesting, but what I find ensures that I will not be playing Defiance. Presale DLC on a game that's not even finished yet? So basically you're telling us that the game that ships in April will be unfinished and cost $60 (PS3 version), but if I want the complete game with the 5 DLC's I can put down $40 today so that I can eventually have the complete game even though I haven't seen anything of it yet. And if the game sucks do I get a refund on that $40 or am I just out $100? This kind of tactic is shady and bad business practice Trion. Companies that conduct their business this way will be boycotted by me and I know there are other who feel the same. When add-on content first came about it was about rewarding fan/customer loyalty and keeping people playing the game and keeping the disc out of the used market. Now it's just a way to squeeze more money out of the consumer. Add-on content was priced at a minimal price point or even free, now it's $10-15 per DLC which might be only a couple of hours of additional play. ****, sometimes it's even crap like an alternate costume (look at LBP, the worst offender of all) or weapon. Who the hel pays for stuff like that. Fools I guess. I hope your game and TV show fail miserably.

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DLC works much differently. First off, the game is shipping with the full campaign + side missions, + co-op instances, + Shadow War, + a ton Vehicles, + a ton of weapons, plus much much more... the game you get for $60 is the complete game as we intended.

The DLC which the team has not started, will bring new content to the game. A lot of that content will be developed based on feedback we get from players like you after launch. What we do know is that we want to craft 5 full DLC packs filled with free and paid content that will extended your gameplay within Defiance. The DLC content is 100% optional and is not required to enjoy Defiance.

Well you got a community manager to explain a game to you. Now its up to you to decide on playing or not.

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Originally Posted by IGears

Well you got a community manager to explain a game to you. Now its up to you to decide on playing or not.

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lol and all hes gonna say is "its still an incomplete game... if you have these DLC ideas already why not add them to teh game now. DLC is supopsed to come aqnd be thought of AFTER the game has already been released if you came up with teh ideas before release then it should all be added and ready for release. Besides of course someone who works for Trion is just doing PR/damage control I mean honestly i fit really WAS an incomplete game would you or anyone else on the staff actually admit to that"

I mean seriously IGears surely you know how people like the TC think

Damage control? i mean i know what he is saying about the DLC, but i already know its a complete game just by what ive seen on the livesteam and by playing the Alpha (NDA BS). They already know that they want to add new thing to the game but maybe just dont have the time to add them or fell they may conflict with progression of the game. But also this is mainly a MMO that does not require a subscription. Any extra stuff they want to do to their game, they have a right to charge you for it. It's the business model they chose to do. but i dont think it matters what i think, Everyone expect to be given everything a developer makes, it not like you own the game when you buy it anyways.

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Originally Posted by IGears

Damage control? i mean i know what he is saying about the DLC, but i already know its a complete game just by what ive seen on the livesteam and by playing the Alpha (NDA BS). They already know that they want to add new thing to the game but maybe just dont have the time to add them or fell they may conflict with progression of the game. But also this is mainly a MMO that does not require a subscription. Any extra stuff they want to do to their game, they have a right to charge you for it. It's the business model they chose to do. but i dont think it matters what i think, Everyone expect to be given everything a developer makes, it not like you own the game when you buy it anyways.

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lol yeah i know these things too but Im just pointing out how other these gen seem to think.. as for the game being free to dlc shouldnt be lol no entirely true i mean world or warcraft isnt free and they still charge for expansions and whatnot :p

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Originally Posted by DuoMaxwell007

lol yeah i know these things too but Im just pointing out how other these gen seem to think.. as for the game being free to dlc shouldnt be lol no entirely true i mean world or warcraft isnt free and they still charge for expansions and whatnot :p

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Huh what? Anything that expands the size of the virtual world the game takes part in should be considered an expansion. Cause they choose to call it DLC does not mean it will solely be a piece of digital fluff like a new skin or single weapon.

Most of this thread is really just kinda silly.

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Originally Posted by DuoMaxwell007

lol yeah i know these things too but Im just pointing out how other these gen seem to think.. as for the game being free to dlc shouldnt be lol no entirely true i mean world or warcraft isnt free and they still charge for expansions and whatnot :p

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yeah, true. Its irritating to hear this as an excuse to why a game is incomplete. I know about BS DLC that should of been included in the game: (Mass Effect 3: Prothean character). I guess it just the way they are trying to squeeze the most money out of their products now. i can be mad at a game that was made in a couple of year and then have stuff cut out of the game just to sell it later. but a game that took 5 years to come together along with a TV show, im sure they have alot of ideas swimming their heads.

Hell, borderlands 2 did the exact same thing.

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Originally Posted by Dekar

Hell, borderlands 2 did the exact same thing.

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yeah that was bull, they even said they had already finished the game and continued on making the DLC a month before release

I can somewhat understand where the OP is coming from. Games, in the last little while, have become very self contained experiances that start and end in a set point. Defiance, despite the fact that it is on consoles, is an MMO. If you're not used to playing MMO's, which if you look at Trion's model of both doing business and game support, you'll understand that they have a very different way of working than most console games do.

There's a huge fear on consoles of "cut content" being added back in for a price in DLC format. I see it all the time on another forum that I spend a large amount of time on - despite the devs saying that they have worked on the DLC after the game has "gone gold" people still protest the fact that a DLC schedule is announced before release. With an MMO, however, devs are constantly working on the game. MMO's aren't meant to be a 100% closed story loop experience in the same way single player console games are. They constantly update and change and offer new experiences.

Essentially, my comment is that despite the fact this game is on consoles it's an MMO. You have to think of it as an MMO rather than as a "game on a console." It's something distinctly different, and it is most certainly not a beta release. Trion wasn't behind "The WarZ" after all - if they were it would have never been released in that state, I believe.

FEED THE TROLL!!!:p

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Originally Posted by rathb18

And expansion pack is not a DLC. DLC - "downloadable content" - is a very broad term for any additional parts of a game that you can obtain from any of the various online vendors. It's generally reserved for official content from the original publisher, to distinguish it from community content. That is, an additional module for Skyrim to add fancy armor for your horse would be a "mod" if a user did it, but "DLC" if Bethesda did it.

An "expansion pack" is a separate product that builds on top of an existing game to add significant new features. Expansion packs can usually be purchased at retail and installed from CD, and exist separately from their parent game. They are typically "mini games" in their own right, but rely on the content and engine of their original game for much of their content. In Skyrim, Dawnguard is obviously an "expansion pack" - it add new lands, new weapons, new skill trees, etc.

Examples of an Expansion Pack:
Dragon Age: Awakening
Crysis: Warhead

Examples of DLC:
Horse Armor(Oblivion)
Weapon Packs(Mass Effect)
Map Packs

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Sorry, but you are only partially correct. DLC is a generic term for Downloadable Content, true, but expansions that are available only through digital download are also referred to as DLC, specifically DLC Expansions. DC Universe Only had all their expansions as DLC. You are splitting hairs on a bald head.

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Originally Posted by rathb18

And expansion pack is not a DLC. DLC - "downloadable content" - is a very broad term for any additional parts of a game that you can obtain from any of the various online vendors. It's generally reserved for official content from the original publisher, to distinguish it from community content. That is, an additional module for Skyrim to add fancy armor for your horse would be a "mod" if a user did it, but "DLC" if Bethesda did it.

An "expansion pack" is a separate product that builds on top of an existing game to add significant new features. Expansion packs can usually be purchased at retail and installed from CD, and exist separately from their parent game. They are typically "mini games" in their own right, but rely on the content and engine of their original game for much of their content. In Skyrim, Dawnguard is obviously an "expansion pack" - it add new lands, new weapons, new skill trees, etc.

Examples of an Expansion Pack:
Dragon Age: Awakening
Crysis: Warhead

Examples of DLC:
Horse Armor(Oblivion)
Weapon Packs(Mass Effect)
Map Packs

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DCUO calls ALL of their expansion packs DLC! All of their expansions include new missions, areas, armor, weapons, etc. Most expansion packs that cost more than $9.99 such as the ones you find for WoW are titled EXPANSIONS because you are paying anywhere from $30 to $40 for that content which is usually up to 20GB or more worth of content. Please remember that PS3s and Xbox 360s do not have unlimited amounts of HD space as a PC does, plus not all PS3 owners are willing to go out and expand their HD space on their system and Xbox users can only upgrade their HD space to whatever size HDs Microsoft has released for the systems. Game companies have to keep that in mind when they are releasing a game on a console, so most expansions end up being in the $10-$15 price range. Instead of getting one huge expansion every year for $40 you get several smaller ones over the course of a year or years.

The Season Pass option is only for the first 5 DLC packs. If Trion wants Defiance to survive for a long period of time, they will have to release more content than just those 5. Most MMO companies also release smaller "FREE" content to give you more to do and also have various events throughout the year for holidays and other stuff.

DCUO has been going since 2009 and has released 6 DLC/Expansion packs for the game and still has tons of people playing it on both PS3 and PC. So paying $10 for additional content doesn't seem to be as big of an issue as is being made about it!

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Originally Posted by Thorolf Odinsson

I came here because I saw the preview on PSN last week and the game looked interesting, but what I find ensures that I will not be playing Defiance. Presale DLC on a game that's not even finished yet? So basically you're telling us that the game that ships in April will be unfinished and cost $60 (PS3 version), but if I want the complete game with the 5 DLC's I can put down $40 today so that I can eventually have the complete game even though I haven't seen anything of it yet. And if the game sucks do I get a refund on that $40 or am I just out $100? This kind of tactic is shady and bad business practice Trion. Companies that conduct their business this way will be boycotted by me and I know there are other who feel the same. When add-on content first came about it was about rewarding fan/customer loyalty and keeping people playing the game and keeping the disc out of the used market. Now it's just a way to squeeze more money out of the consumer. Add-on content was priced at a minimal price point or even free, now it's $10-15 per DLC which might be only a couple of hours of additional play. ****, sometimes it's even crap like an alternate costume (look at LBP, the worst offender of all) or weapon. Who the hel pays for stuff like that. Fools I guess. I hope your game and TV show fail miserably.

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Did you buy Borderlands 2 with season pass? if YES then this is nothing different then that.

If NOT then your not obligated to buy the season pass straight away you can wait till the game is out then decide if you want it or not.

Its not like they force you to buy it, you can just chillax relax sit back wait for it and pay the 5 bucks more in the end if you like it.

Thats all, no harm done no cheating no fooling people no losing 100$ nada.

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Originally Posted by Paulcholio

Sorry, but you are only partially correct. DLC is a generic term for Downloadable Content, true, but expansions that are available only through digital download are also referred to as DLC, specifically DLC Expansions. DC Universe Only had all their expansions as DLC. You are splitting hairs on a bald head.

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Paul would be right in that respect. at the beginning of 'DLC' it was said that 'DLC', 'downloadable content' would be another way to more or less receive expansions for video game, and would be an effective way for game creators to release content post-launch that would be easily accessible for the players. It was intended that these DLC's would be beneficial, and another way to get content without the need of a hard copy.

It generally works in the same way as downloadable games, or full retail games that have been released as downloadable for players who prefer it this way ( which is actually shaping the way future game sales might be done ).

The 'misconception' that DLC is horse armor, or 1.99 for 50k gold.. is that many companies have been abusing the idea of dlc, and add-ons as a form of get money quick schemes since you will always find players that will willingly purchase these dlc 'addons' even though they serve very little purpose at all. Its also why most free to play games can continue rocking on fairly easily, because even if all they sell is boosters... or cosmetics.. people will always purchase these things, and there's enough people in the world that in turn it makes a profit.

Both expansions and 'addons' can be labeled as dlc, but the term DLC has gained such a bad reputation from the many companies that have been milking the idea... to the point of warping is first intended purposes, that many gamers will refuse to even consider 'dlc' as expansions... especially since many promised downloadable expansions from many game have been very, very disappointing in the past.

All in all, DLC is content you download.. its not just for 'small addons' but can also apply to the expansions themselves.

Seems defiance is utilizing a boost system that you can pay $ for a limited time boost. Not saying it is a bad thing but seems to be an alternative to monthly payments. As asheki stated people will pay. Those $$ will in hopes go into more content down the road.

Pretty much, and constant revenue means consistent development, consistent patching and updating, which means consistent chances that we'll see new and bigger areas, and that more people will become interested in the game itself as it expands. They also mentioned plenty of free dlc, as well as the ability, let's say that a paid dlc adds an area.. that even people who didn't pay for it will be able to go into it ( although they might not be able to use things found there ).

And if you look at how the game and the tv show were developed, you have to understand that they can't just throw in every idea they have without thinking ahead, and without waiting to see what happens in both the game and the show to see how each one will change the other. That is why those ideas, are ideas.. and not yet implemented in the game.

So far it was already pointed out that you could get up to ridiculous levels in power rank, and that we have a huge map and even endgame gameplay. The data they've shown is only the tip of the iceberg, there's tons of content to unlock, in game achievements to unlock, people and monsters to massacre, loot to plunder.. I'd say we have pretty much a complete game on launch... that will evolve as time goes by.

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Originally Posted by rathb18

And expansion pack is not a DLC. DLC - "downloadable content" - is a very broad term for any additional parts of a game that you can obtain from any of the various online vendors. It's generally reserved for official content from the original publisher, to distinguish it from community content. That is, an additional module for Skyrim to add fancy armor for your horse would be a "mod" if a user did it, but "DLC" if Bethesda did it.

An "expansion pack" is a separate product that builds on top of an existing game to add significant new features. Expansion packs can usually be purchased at retail and installed from CD, and exist separately from their parent game. They are typically "mini games" in their own right, but rely on the content and engine of their original game for much of their content. In Skyrim, Dawnguard is obviously an "expansion pack" - it add new lands, new weapons, new skill trees, etc.

Examples of an Expansion Pack:
Dragon Age: Awakening
Crysis: Warhead

Examples of DLC:
Horse Armor(Oblivion)
Weapon Packs(Mass Effect)
Map Packs

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Examples of DLC to me:

Borderlands storyline driven DLC
Skyrim dragonborn, etc.
Dark souls storyline DLC including mutiplayer
Map packs (more towards battlefield packs then call of duty)


All of which are DLC and expand on the game, Expansion packs to my knowledge are more MMO based like WOW content but follow the same things as DLC's which add content but obviously to a higher extent as it is an MMO and more people are working on it.

then there are stupid DLC's which i would call them DLI(downloadable items):

Shirts and other various clothings
Avatar items
weapon packs
horse armor

I also heard about that area thing, where others can be in a paid area without having to pay for it. That confuses me a bit, but its probably because it hasn't been clearly stated yet. It got me thinking would new areas be the free dlc, and missions, weapons, vehicles, races, and various places within that area that only payed people can access. If anyone could clarify that, because i like that you can play together but it just doesn't add up in my brain for some reason.

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Originally Posted by CeissaDesiste

DCUO calls ALL of their expansion packs DLC! All of their expansions include new missions, areas, armor, weapons, etc. Most expansion packs that cost more than $9.99 such as the ones you find for WoW are titled EXPANSIONS because you are paying anywhere from $30 to $40 for that content which is usually up to 20GB or more worth of content. Please remember that PS3s and Xbox 360s do not have unlimited amounts of HD space as a PC does, plus not all PS3 owners are willing to go out and expand their HD space on their system and Xbox users can only upgrade their HD space to whatever size HDs Microsoft has released for the systems. Game companies have to keep that in mind when they are releasing a game on a console, so most expansions end up being in the $10-$15 price range. Instead of getting one huge expansion every year for $40 you get several smaller ones over the course of a year or years.

The Season Pass option is only for the first 5 DLC packs. If Trion wants Defiance to survive for a long period of time, they will have to release more content than just those 5. Most MMO companies also release smaller "FREE" content to give you more to do and also have various events throughout the year for holidays and other stuff.

DCUO has been going since 2009 and has released 6 DLC/Expansion packs for the game and still has tons of people playing it on both PS3 and PC. So paying $10 for additional content doesn't seem to be as big of an issue as is being made about it!

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youre joking right>? PS2 only had a 100gb harddrive.. yet final fantasy xi had the very types of expansion packs you just listed.. and ppl who give a crap about dlc/expansions WILL upgrade their hard drives... my ps3 has a 500gb in it sooo yeah

Well, any game that doesn't want to split its playerbase basically have to make sure that everyone has all the dlc available, so that they can generally see what the others have, and be harmed by what others have... otherwise there's no point to it. So its most likely that the areas ( along with the rest of the dlc ) will be downloaded by everyone, and those who actually bought the dlc will have the whatever is paid only content unlocked for use.

Of course people will say.. but then you have no reason to go there!

So its then likely that you'll be able to co-op with people who go there, you might be able to do these missions there.. but then you'll still technically have the loot tables you would get from the normal areas instead of anything dlc specific ( with dlc specific rewards possibly being 'locked out' from use until you buy the dlc, or only being rewarded to you when you purchase said dlc if the game sees you've completed the missions for them )' but of course, its all speculation based on general logic and common sense.

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Originally Posted by Envisionz

I also heard about that area thing, where others can be in a paid area without having to pay for it. That confuses me a bit, but its probably because it hasn't been clearly stated yet. It got me thinking would new areas be the free dlc, and missions, weapons, vehicles, races, and various places within that area that only payed people can access. If anyone could clarify that, because i like that you can play together but it just doesn't add up in my brain for some reason.

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Hey brotha
The way that it will work is that everyone will have access to all paid DLC whether they paid or not, however, certain weapons, items, vehicles and things of that nature will not be available to those who did not pay. So youll have access to all areas but not the items see what Im saying?


Also, I cant believe for the very life of me what Im seeing with all of the defenders of DLC, always online DRM, pre order at blah blah store for blah blah item, different editions, season passes, constant update and patches practices that happen ONLY on this gen of consoles.

Never in the history of gaming EVER...has there been practices like this that went on to be mainstream. You bought a game and that was it. There wasnt all of this nonsensical bulls*it going on that constantly nickel and dime consumers to death. I cant believe how out of touch the higher ups, stockholders, and publishers are today which, mark my words, WILL end in a video gaming crash yet again unless it is checked. Unfortunately, with all the agreeable people with these types of practices it looks like it will take something like that to happen just to pull everyones heads out of their ***** and say "HEY WAKE UP DUMBA**! YOURE GETTING SCREWED" lol.

If the following link works correctly I have an example from a guy who I am subscribed to on youtube who makes good on points like this. It is only 10mins and I ask please hear him out and then judge for yourself. But, please from one gamer to another gamer such as yourselves please at least take a second look and see where people who do not agree with these things are coming from and the potential dangers continuing these practices may do to our beloved hobby of gaming. Thank you for your time.

P.S. If the link does not work you can search for him. ReviewTechUSA and the video is "DRM is killing gaming"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOD27rRIadM

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Originally Posted by Paladin

I agree with the fact that planned DLC before the game is even released is reterded....however this is an MMO. MMOs are not your average game, they never have an ending. In order for an MMO to never have an ending, you need to add more content. IN order to add more content....you need more money. It's as simple as that, the only thing that people really need to fret over is how that money will be given to the developer and if the content will be good/worth it. Every MMO has their own way of making this money, the 2 best ways are subscription(15$ a month) or B2p and 1 time pay intervals($60 purchase then repeated purchases for new content). AN MMO will never be a FINISHED PRODUCT, so your rants are useless as an MMO will always be INCOMPLETE.

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I'm usually against season passes but I couldn't agree with you more on this. For an MMO which is never ending, it is a great idea.

what a noob first of all i feel sorry for because of you owning a ps3 also do some research before making remarks like that ive been folowwing this game well over a year now so i did my homework on this game one more thing i hope your ps4 fails

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Originally Posted by Djomblade1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOD27rRIadM

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I watched your link and it kind of has nothing to do with this game. He is talking about normal games (Single player, fps) not mmo games. how stupid it would be to have a mmo game that doesn't get anything new, like quests, items,areas aka dlc+patches. Also he made stupid remark about online drm like comparing a nintendo game to a wow. like you can't play wow if blizzard goes under but you can play that nintendo game, well no **** sherlock as that nintendo game probably isn't online based mmo game.

I agree dlc in single player games and for example battlefield cod etcetc is crap but mmo games are whole other level, they suck without dlc

Edit: and what the hell is wrong with patching and updating games? :DD

I guess its a risk your going to have to take, I remember buying a whole year's subscription on a game for the same reason "to save money" ended up playing the game for like two months. same thing happened to me in guild wars 2 spent all this money getting my char's up to 50/50 and buying the CE played it three months and couldn't stick to it. I guess its just a choice your going to have to make. game looks pretty solid and ill admit I haven't played an FPS since counter strike but then again this is an MMO/FPS with three playable consoles I don't think that the game should have any issues with content.

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Originally Posted by IceSlice

I guess its a risk your going to have to take, I remember buying a whole year's subscription on a game for the same reason "to save money" ended up playing the game for like two months. same thing happened to me in guild wars 2 spent all this money getting my char's up to 50/50 and buying the CE played it three months and couldn't stick to it. I guess its just a choice your going to have to make. game looks pretty solid and ill admit I haven't played an FPS since counter strike but then again this is an MMO/FPS with three playable consoles I don't think that the game should have any issues with content.

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I think you mean TPS. The only time FPS would come into play is if you were using a scope but I definitely understand your point

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Originally Posted by Djomblade1

Hey brotha
The way that it will work is that everyone will have access to all paid DLC whether they paid or not, however, certain weapons, items, vehicles and things of that nature will not be available to those who did not pay. So youll have access to all areas but not the items see what Im saying?


Also, I cant believe for the very life of me what Im seeing with all of the defenders of DLC, always online DRM, pre order at blah blah store for blah blah item, different editions, season passes, constant update and patches practices that happen ONLY on this gen of consoles.

Never in the history of gaming EVER...has there been practices like this that went on to be mainstream. You bought a game and that was it. There wasnt all of this nonsensical bulls*it going on that constantly nickel and dime consumers to death. I cant believe how out of touch the higher ups, stockholders, and publishers are today which, mark my words, WILL end in a video gaming crash yet again unless it is checked. Unfortunately, with all the agreeable people with these types of practices it looks like it will take something like that to happen just to pull everyones heads out of their ***** and say "HEY WAKE UP DUMBA**! YOURE GETTING SCREWED" lol.

If the following link works correctly I have an example from a guy who I am subscribed to on youtube who makes good on points like this. It is only 10mins and I ask please hear him out and then judge for yourself. But, please from one gamer to another gamer such as yourselves please at least take a second look and see where people who do not agree with these things are coming from and the potential dangers continuing these practices may do to our beloved hobby of gaming. Thank you for your time.

P.S. If the link does not work you can search for him. ReviewTechUSA and the video is "DRM is killing gaming"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOD27rRIadM

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Thanks you both asheki and DJomblade1 for clearing it up a bit, it gives me a general idea of what it will be like.