Does the map seem small to you compared to other MMO?

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Originally Posted by Technodude

I haven't made up anything imaginary so far bro. It was all you.

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You are in a thread not talking about the topic trying to insult aka trolling.

If I recall correctly, Rift was super tiny when it was first released as well. This one should grow as time goes on.

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Originally Posted by DeMoted

You are in a thread not talking about the topic trying to insult aka trolling.

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Since very first post i have been on topic that is 'discussion about map size of Defiance'. And i don't see where i insulted you, unless calling on your bull about FFXI being a failure and 20+ zones is small is an insult? maybe you shouldn't make up stuff then and no one will call you out on it?

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Originally Posted by Technodude

Since very first post i have been on topic that is 'discussion about map size of Defiance'. And i don't see where i insulted you, unless calling on your bull about FFXI being a failure and 20+ zones is small is an insult? maybe you shouldn't make up stuff then and no one will call you out on it?

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I didn't make anything up.

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Originally Posted by DeMoted

I didn't make anything up.

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Liar.

Look, another lie.

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Originally Posted by Ikagawa

Liar.

Look, another lie.

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He will never admit it. They say if you tell yourself a lie over and over again after some time it begins to look like the truth.

So 3 quick things:
1> As previously stated, you don't "outlevel" a zone so the entirety of the map is always a viable zone, whereas games like WoW, you would outlevel a zone and go to another and never have a need to revisit an previous zone as it has become obsolete to your character.

2> The development of this game was also constrained by the development of the TV show - you have to consider that they share the same universe so there can't be a unilateral decision made about parts of the world, as such creating more zones for this game most likely has more complexity to it than other games.

3> Even if there are only 5 zones (Mount Tam, Madera, Marin, Sausalito, SF) at launch, I don't understand why that is really even a big concern, given the nature of these games allows for expansions to the world. Sure, I could see it if it wasn't an MMO, but as an MMO, we all know that new zones are always being added.

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Originally Posted by Technodude

GW2 is same. You get scaled according to the zone so everything is re playable all the time. No part of game world is wasted and still GW2 dwarfs Defiance in terms of sheer size.

So i doubt the reason you gave for keeping map size small is valid.

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Except that isn't the case with GW2. Mid level zones are ghost towns, you can travel through most of the world and never see more than 5 people. This is because it is too big and spreads people out too far, hence Trions choice to try something smaller.

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Originally Posted by Technodude

Opinions are not facts.

But i love how you keep changing goal posts.

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I never said they were... Sigh now you are making things up.

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Originally Posted by tinytina

Except that isn't the case with GW2. Mid level zones are ghost towns, you can travel through most of the world and never see more than 5 people. This is because it is too big and spreads people out too far, hence Trions choice to try something smaller.

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And you think it won't happen once the map size in Defiance will increase? i am sorry but this problem is inevitable in MMOS once new zones are added.

Only difference is that in games like GW2 which decided to release with lot of content it is happening now and in case of Defiance it will happen in later months.

You can only delay this problem for so long.

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Originally Posted by DeMoted

I never said they were... Sigh now you are making things up.

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No you did try to pass your opinion as a fact. FFXI wasn't an amazing success but it wasn't a failure either on consoles. Infact at release it had more console player than PC players till it was launched in western market.

As usual you keep making stuff up.

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Originally Posted by Munx

other mmos don't have high speed vehicles.

Try walking from stratoscarrier to san fran, you won't think its so small anymore.

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This, a thousand times.

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Originally Posted by Technodude

And you think it won't happen once the map size in Defiance will increase? i am sorry but this problem is inevitable in MMOS once new zones are added.

Only difference is that in games like GW2 which decided to release with lot of content it is happening now and in case of Defiance it will happen in later months.

You can only delay this problem for so long.



No you did try to pass your opinion as a fact. FFXI wasn't an amazing success but it wasn't a failure either on consoles. Infact at release it had more console player than PC players till it was launched in western market.

As usual you keep making stuff up.

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Nope I don't, but keep trying to make yourself feel better by saying that.

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Originally Posted by Technodude

And you think it won't happen once the map size in Defiance will increase? i am sorry but this problem is inevitable in MMOS once new zones are added.

Only difference is that in games like GW2 which decided to release with lot of content it is happening now and in case of Defiance it will happen in later months.

You can only delay this problem for so long.



No you did try to pass your opinion as a fact. FFXI wasn't an amazing success but it wasn't a failure either on consoles. Infact at release it had more console player than PC players till it was launched in western market.

As usual keep making stuff up.

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Not saying it won't happen eventually. Just saying there is some value in the reason for a smaller map now. Making it overly huge from the beginning wouldn't do anything positive for the game.

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Originally Posted by DeMoted

Nope I don't, but keep trying to make yourself feel better by saying that.

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Yep we should just take your word for everything you say. You have failed to back up anything you have said so far with any relevant information. Care to show us any legitimate source which says FFXI was a failure on PS2? even though your earlier statement was that FFXI was a failure in general. Do you even know what you are arguing about anymore since you backpeddle a lot.

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Originally Posted by Technodude

Yep we should just take your word for everything you say. You have failed to back up anything you have said so far with any relevant information. Care to show us any legitimate source which says FFXI was a failure on PS2? even though your earlier statement was that FFXI was a failure in general. Do you even know what you are arguing about anymore since you backpeddle a lot.

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You can Google it you are a big boy. I have not been arguing I have been feeding a troll (you).

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Originally Posted by DeMoted

You can Google it you are a big boy. I have not been arguing I have been feeding a troll (you).

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I did google it first time you posted and found no information about FFXI being a failure or failure on PS2. It is all in your head no doubt i couldn't find anything.

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Originally Posted by DeMoted

You can Google it you are a big boy. I have not been arguing I have been feeding a troll (you).

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If you posit something as being a fact then the onus is on you to provide proof. Or in your reality, make something random up and hope people will accept it.

Alright let's move on beyond the trolling topic. We can continue to discuss the map. Also i saw someone posted that during a livestream, they mentioned they will be adding new areas between SF and st. Louis. I hope this is coming true soon.