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  • 04-13-2013, 02:39 PM
    SonicBoom
    Bioshock Infinite - most overrated game of the year so far?
    Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying Bioshock Infnite is a bad game. Far from it, it's a pretty good corridor shooter. But is it overrated? Yes, I think so. Very much so, in fact. We can start with good, old System Shock as an example. The game took place onboard a space station that had been taken over by an AI, so we had to go there to stop it. The fun thing is the whole game could be played on a time-limit, so you had a constant pressure through the whole game, if you wanted it. But System Shock was also quite open, so you had some freedom in exploring the space station as you wanted.

    System Shock 2 was more of the same, only better in every way possible. But something cruicial to notice here is that we had three ways to play the game: We could shoot stuff like a normal FPS, hack into terminals etc and sneak around , or use mental powers (or 'magic' if you want.) Add a quite free-roaming space station, and you could have a heck of a lot of fun.

    When they lost the license, they ended up making Bioshock instead of System Shock 3. The space station is now a city under water, and the names for various things like plasmids have changed. And yet, the game is very much identical to System Shock. Personally, I think SS is much better, and never cared much for Rapture. I did like the Big Daddy/Little Sister stuff, though. Then there was Bioshock 2, naturally. Which was just more of the same in most ways.

    Anyway, now we have Bioshock Infinite. Is it good? Yes, if you like corridor shooters. But is it overrated? I think it is heavily overrated, yes. It starts by giving you an illusion that you can explore the big city as you please, but you don't. You explore a narrow path where the game wants you to go, and everything around you is conveniently blocked. This gives you a nice look at the city and a nice illusion of freedom, yet it's so heavily scripted that if you play it again later, you'll see the exact same things as you did the first time, simply because you can't go anywhere else than where you are supposed to go.

    Then we add enemies. All of a sudden the game chances from "illusion of free-roaming in a peaceful city" to "go there, shoot them, repeat forever". The plasmids you get are mostly pointless. The few weapons you get are standard stuff found in any other games of this type. There are fun setpieces and scenes where you, say, swing from hook to hook to reach the house next door, but these parts are scripted and don't allow any freedom. At all.

    Then we finally get to Elisabeth, and things were supposed to heat up. But cute as she is, she's pointless and, even worse, useless. Instead of having her involved in the fights or even protecting her, you can simply ignore her the whole time and focus on yourself. The enemies won't even notice she's there. I'm not a big fan of escort missions, but some games like Resident Evil 4 proved that it can work. But Bioshock Infinite doesn't even try. It just ignores the whole thing.

    Add boring enemies, repetitive bosses and a rather boring story once the first "wow, awesome city!" feeling fades, and you're left with a corridor shooter that leads you down a narrow corridor with none of the exploration from System Shock and Bioshock, with very few 'new' things and repetitve, dime-a-dozen gunplay. It's not a bad game, but best game of the year? Not by a longshot.
  • 04-13-2013, 04:55 PM
    AGuyWithNoName
    Please don't think I'm attacking you as I'm sincerely not. But I do differ on a couple of things as it relates to Infinite. Possible spoilers below. Read at your own risk.







    - In all of my reading leading up to release I never got the impression that Infinite was suppose to be an open world. I will agree with you that there shouldn't be zones where in once I leave an area I can't come back. After all Columbia (the city itself, not the people) was an absolutely beautiful city. That being said, I never went into the game thinking Bethesda type open world.

    -The plasmids, while not as robust as the prior entries, were just as effective in their use. Broncho bust a group in the air, swarm them with Murder of Crows and while they are being pecked, toss a flame trap on the ground beneath them for when they fall...none survive and you have crow traps set up (if the plasmid is upgraded) for other advancing enemies. The problem they ran into with the plasmids, in my opinion, is the limitation to two at any given time without the option to hotkey more. They kept the plasmid wheel, which after practice can be used rather effectively mid combat (see above example), which helps but this could have been so much better with the ability to map plasmids to the directional pad.

    -As far as Elizabeth goes:
    -One of the things I remember Mr. Levine saying was that he wanted the trope of "damsel in distress" to not be the focal point of the story (actually this is the second game I've played this year with a strong female lead). After all, Elizabeth does NOT really need your assistance if she so chooses. "Booker, are you afraid of God?", to which Booker replies, "No, But I'm afraid of you." No schtako Booker...me too!! Would he say that if she really needed escorting? You are there to obtain Elizabeth for your own personal needs and the two of you grow together through dialogue and interaction. The story is of two people, not one. Which leads me to...
    -Elizabeth is far, and I do mean far, from being useless. I'm not sure what difficulty you're playing on but on Hard, she saved me more times than I can count. From ammo to salts to food to opening up those tears that give cover or unveil an oil slick or even giving me an extra gun in the form of good ol' "Honest Abe". Hell, just follow her around and look at what she looks at and you'll find yourself amazed at what you'll find (lockpicks/voxophones/tonics and such). She has to be one of the most competent A.I. companions in any game I've ever played (I'm expecting Ellie to be even more effective Naughty Dog).

    -And please tell me you honestly didn't think the story was boring. If so that's depressing :( . I get the whole "different strokes for different folks" mentality so I'm not bashing you, I'm just curious as to why you thought it was boring. As for me?? What theme do you want to start with?
    The horrible way people can turn a blind eye and even embrace the unfair treatment of our fellow human being?
    The erroneous use of philosophy and reason to justify evil?
    The power of religion on a strong mind?
    The power of religion on a weak mind?
    The cost (in humanity) of revolution?
    The struggle one can face when trying to find redemption and salvation for one's own soul?
    The use of another human being to achieve your own goals?
    Theory of relativity?
    Quantum Physics?
    The true cost of rectifying one mistake?
    The story is what made this game so great in my opinion. I swear I about had an ******ic overload of joy with how this game was written (Tomb Raider actually did give me that overload).

    Again, please don't think I'm bashing you as you sure do bring up some valid points (excellently written btw, kudos) and even a few I agree with (I miss the hacking mini game :( ). And while I may agree with you in that it probably won't be game of the year, it most certainly deserves all the acclaim and praise it's gotten and at least needs to be in the running for it (GotY).
  • 04-13-2013, 04:55 PM
    Taaltos
    You're nuts.

    The game is amazing.
  • 04-13-2013, 05:45 PM
    Edwardgoesforth
    The game's pretty fun even with the ending sequence being lackluster. Also the main reason you dont have every weapon at once and no medikiits is to have the player connect with Elizabeth.
  • 04-13-2013, 06:36 PM
    JMadFour
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Taaltos View Post
    You're nuts.

    The game is amazing.

    this right here.

    early GOTY, in my opinion. we'll see if anything can knock it off.
  • 04-13-2013, 06:58 PM
    AGuyWithNoName
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JMadFour View Post
    this right here.

    early GOTY, in my opinion. we'll see if anything can knock it off.


    I'm guessing that The Last of Us will give it a good run. It probably won't considering it came out so early in the year but Tomb Raider should be in the running. I can also see the new Batman (heard it's to be released this year) and Watchdogs giving it a good run.

    Sad thing is, the games that I'm really looking forward to and enjoy probably won't be in the running. Lords of Shadow 2, Dark Souls 2, Metro: Last Light, and Beyond Two Souls should also get mention but probably won't. There's so much coming out this year though so it should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

    Btw, quick derail here:
    Your Nats look stronger this year than last even JMad. Looking forward to some good match ups between them and the Braves this year.
  • 04-13-2013, 08:18 PM
    Ensu
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AGuyWithNoName View Post
    I'm guessing that The Last of Us will give it a good run. It probably won't considering it came out so early in the year but Tomb Raider should be in the running. I can also see the new Batman (heard it's to be released this year) and Watchdogs giving it a good run.

    Sad thing is, the games that I'm really looking forward to and enjoy probably won't be in the running. Lords of Shadow 2, Dark Souls 2, Metro: Last Light, and Beyond Two Souls should also get mention but probably won't. There's so much coming out this year though so it should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

    Btw, quick derail here:
    Your Nats look stronger this year than last even JMad. Looking forward to some good match ups between them and the Braves this year.

    Stop it! I'd almost convinced myself there were no more games I needed to buy this year.

    There go all my most productive hours of the day.

    Last of Us, Watch Dogs, Metro: Last Light and Dark Souls 2 will be must plays, I think.
  • 04-13-2013, 08:21 PM
    JMadFour
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AGuyWithNoName View Post
    I'm guessing that The Last of Us will give it a good run. It probably won't considering it came out so early in the year but Tomb Raider should be in the running. I can also see the new Batman (heard it's to be released this year) and Watchdogs giving it a good run.

    Sad thing is, the games that I'm really looking forward to and enjoy probably won't be in the running. Lords of Shadow 2, Dark Souls 2, Metro: Last Light, and Beyond Two Souls should also get mention but probably won't. There's so much coming out this year though so it should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

    Btw, quick derail here:
    Your Nats look stronger this year than last even JMad. Looking forward to some good match ups between them and the Braves this year.

    we're having some serious bullpen issues right now.
  • 04-13-2013, 10:24 PM
    Youngwings
    This game was WAY over rated... in a gameplay perspective, it was great... however... in a content perspective, it was WAY too limited, as well as has no replay value. Games should not be based only on gameplay, but weather or not it can survive more than a week. I got all 50 acheivments in 19 hours of play time...
  • 04-13-2013, 10:48 PM
    MirrorStream
    Best game of the last few years so far. Not interesting for the "cod kids" though
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