Lack of progression will push people away.

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Originally Posted by Frost033

Please don't get me wrong, this isn't a "I'm leaving" post, but I am looking for a bit of a pep talk. The face is, there is little to no difference between an ego 300 and ego 10. While this is nice for being able to play with other people lower and higher levels, its frustrating because I feel like I'm just spinning my tires. I'm only at EGO 420 or so but the guns I'm finding are EXACTLY the same as the ones I found at 10, 20, 80, 100, etc. Other than story, I'm having a hard time getting motivated to play.

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This is a skill based game. Meaning that weapon damage is horizontal to allow skill selection and execution to win the day, not raw numbers. If you prefer a vertical model a la Anarchy Online, World of Warcraft, heck pretty much every MMORPG out there then there you go.

This is how the game was designed, this will not change. Doesn't mean it's not an MMO or it is horrible, just means it's not everyone's cup of tea. No harm in that.

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And IF by some chance you do find a gun you enjoy, you only get it for a limited time because the game forces you to use different guns once they're maxed out in XP if you want to gain anymore weapon XP. How does that make ANY sense??

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I was in the Hate Camp on this mechanic too, but then I realized how stale the game would be running one gun, and honestly as you go up in EGO while the gun damage doesn't change the variety of mod slots, perk bonuses, enhancements surely does and this gives you pause with each weapon to consider it's real value to YOU not just some sliding scale of numbers. Based on how you play and how you see getting an advantage over another player through skill and execution. Again this is not for everyone, some want to grind, need time stinks with reward mile stones, etc.

For me the story is hardly done, I have plenty of side missions, the pursuit list is long and hearty. And with the new Episode content I need to squeeze on in a week before it's gone... well they have me hook line and sinker.

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Without any sense of progression people aren't going to be playing this game long. Look at other games, especially MMO's, you have to have SOMETHING that makes people come back for more. Unless I'm missing something, Defiance is missing that hook that makes people stay with a game for an extended period of time.

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I think you are missing it cause your looking for that vertical progression reward system that just isn't completely here. The EGO rating system is a good measure but it doesn't mean your going to wade through everything without fail, even some place you've been before. The world is big, alive, and dangerous you have to handle yourself appropriately, this to me is enjoyable, immersing, gripping. Though again, not everyone's cup of tea. I'm not going to tell you what you should play, but I think Defiance will cater to a group that does get it and does feel the hook, will that be a large enough group to keep it alive? I think so, the TV show just aired and the buzz meter is off the chart and they are re-airing two more times tonight.

Hope you find what your missing, or end up some place you like better.

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Originally Posted by Buruko

For me the story is hardly done, I have plenty of side missions, the pursuit list is long and hearty. And with the new Episode content I need to squeeze on in a week before it's gone... well they have me hook line and sinker.

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Pursuits are not story. But you are welcome to use this excuse for yourself if it helps you. Sadly I am still looking for one that will make me such a believer.

Actually i think he meant it as 2 different items. Plenty of side missions and pursuits!

sitting at ~400 or so ego havent completed the main mission, very close though.. haven't played since Thursday...

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Originally Posted by Jay

sitting at ~400 or so ego havent completed the main mission, very close though.. haven't played since Thursday...

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The lvls shouldnt exist theres no purpose. I have played almost all shooters and rpgs for the last several years heres my take. Make unique mob only certain lvls can kill . Give unique mod a 1 in 5000 chance of some actual good gear drops , When you die take 5k scrip not 180 thats useless. This game will fail without dome depth i have been through the game and all side missions. i can do at lvl 30 what a lvl 5000 can do so its a good game wtf. Thats like saying baseball shouldnt have outs. If you work for the lvl and earn it it shou;ld be worth somthing.They need content for longterm play bosses whod own anyone below say 3k ego and bosses for the lower egos also.They need a auction house and better weps so we have a reason to grind and play for years.

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Originally Posted by Buruko

This is a skill based game. Meaning that weapon damage is horizontal to allow skill selection and execution to win the day, not raw numbers. If you prefer a vertical model a la Anarchy Online, World of Warcraft, heck pretty much every MMORPG out there then there you go.

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Please stop calling something skill based, just because it's different than majority. There is absolutely no skill required to play it. Or were you thinking about bunny-hopping?

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Originally Posted by bob69

The lvls shouldnt exist theres no purpose. I have played almost all shooters and rpgs for the last several years heres my take. Make unique mob only certain lvls can kill . Give unique mod a 1 in 5000 chance of some actual good gear drops , When you die take 5k scrip not 180 thats useless. This game will fail without dome depth i have been through the game and all side missions. i can do at lvl 30 what a lvl 5000 can do so its a good game wtf. Thats like saying baseball shouldnt have outs. If you work for the lvl and earn it it shou;ld be worth somthing.They need content for longterm play bosses whod own anyone below say 3k ego and bosses for the lower egos also.They need a auction house and better weps so we have a reason to grind and play for years.

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The weapons do scale, albeit slightly, according to EGO rating. EGO rating also limits the amount of items that can be farmed, and then passed down to lower ego payers. If I constantly farm, my EGO will increase, and my items will then be less valuable because people would have to be the same or higher in order to use them.

There aren't really any "better" weapons anyway; an auction house is useless. This isn't WoW or D3, you wouldn't find anything dramatically better.

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Originally Posted by Elandriel

Please stop calling something skill based, just because it's different than majority. There is absolutely no skill required to play it. Or were you thinking about bunny-hopping?

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It is skill based. It relies on you twitch skills and aiming. Just because it's easy, doesn't mean that it's not skill based.

All i know is Trion needs to find some kind of balance this game. I'm 2.600 ego and it' starting to feel repetitive. I'll stick around to see what trion does for for awhile but so far it seems like only changes to this game that are really being made are taking exp key drops outa the game. and it's not balancing the game it's causeing a imbalance. cause now no one has anything to do except do dailys and after that maybe hit a few arkfalls which are getting boring in themselves.And I got to say this it boggles me why some not all Senior members find trashing other opinion's so fun. it's kinda sad actually but i do give props to those senior members that respect others opinions cause as far as i can tell negativity on forums can have a unbalancing effect on the game. as the forums are technically a resource that is used to progress in the game. oh well love me hate it's only a opinion.

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Originally Posted by heraymo

All i know is Trion needs to find some kind of balance this game. I'm 2.600 ego and it' starting to feel repetitive..

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What they need is new content; more challenging content.

We should have been in the first DLC by now, but it's been delayed. Hopefully the DLC will remedy most of these issues.