Well, can we get some official word on this patch "fiasco"?

They said this, they promised that, something else was implied, ...
Basically, no one here knows what was actually promised and what not. But I think I can safely say that a vast majority here was under the impression (rightfully so) that patch is coming on 15th.

So, can we have some official word from Trion explaining what is happening with this patch and it's release day? What was promised and not delivered (if anything) and why. How this is going to run in the future. When can we expect changes (patch, story, main, side, pursuits, etc) and how they are going to be implemented.

official word would make these forums die and no 1 would have anything to talk about.

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Originally Posted by Elandriel

So, can we have some official word

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Bird is the word.

Meanwhile, how is it a fiasco because this major patch isn't out when they're constantly pushing out updates?

"Our team is working day and night to provide updates and add more polish" seems to explain they're working on it. I'm sure if the forums ask nicely enough, they can oversee the entire process from start to finish. Really... these forums are a pretty good example of why gamers and game developers have a bad relationship.

Work takes time, and all anyone here does is complain because the devs work wasn't good enough and isn't fast enough. If you guys think how they're doing things is such a "fiasco" why don't you put in a resume and tell em how much better you could run things!

Didn't they say it would be out the 15th-16th?

I KNEW it, the moment it turns 15th, people just jump the forum and go QQ-i-demand-answers-fail-patch-thingies.

Really, mark my words, when they roll out the patch, these exact same people will go like 'patch doesnt bring content, just fix, fail trion!'.

Maybe it's just me, but when you put certain word in quotation marks, it means something. Or your reading skills are not on par with your writing skills.
But still, go check what those quotation marks do to the meaning of a word. You will learn something. :)

Hello all :)

There are quite a few threads about the patch and when it is going live.
I want to take the opportunity to clear something up regarding the date.

There is much talk about who said what and when the patch will come.
The 15th isn´t just any made up date from a forum troll. No.
In fact, Nathan Richardsson who is the Executive Producer wrote this in his "diary" on April the 6th, that the patch will come "around the 15th":

(Here a link to the post: http://community.defiance.com/en/201...till-have-lag/)

My personal thoughts on this topic: They should announce a date and a time when the patch comes. Every other MMO manages that. If you cannot make it on the 15th, then don´t promise it. After all the troubles (which are still ongoing, btw) since launch I wouldn´t joke around with the community like that. People are only going to rage more.

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It quotes, easy eh?

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Originally Posted by Elandriel

They said this, they promised that, something else was implied,
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So, can we have some official word from Trion explaining what is happening with this patch and it's release day? What was promised and not delivered (if anything) and why.

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Or we can simply go off of the wonderful concept of "context"

By which I mean if one reads the post, regardless of the (un)intended meaning you were trying to convey, one can infer meaning based on the content of said post.

The context being, "We don't have the patch. Why don't we have a patch? When will we have a patch? Your statement about the patch wasn't sufficient!"

"Fiasco" and fiasco don't have much of a difference in this context.

Edit: Considering we're quoting now...
I do believe we would technically be "around the 15th," although I'm sure that would be relative to your perspective on time.

Keyword "AROUND" !!!

Key word: around.

Edit: Damn, Ceois beat me.

Around the 15th, not neccessarily ON the 15th. I'd rather see it come on the 16th-17th, heck even the 18th.. and have it work rather than having some showstopping bug they encountered being introduced to live.

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Originally Posted by Ceois

Keyword "AROUND" !!!

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Yeah bro, we all can read.

I want new content just like you guys! I want new vehicles, my site craves for new vehicles :D

The fact that they refuse to give a hard date and time, means something is up and the patch most definetely being delayed.

I have played plenty of online games and MMO's and when it comes to large patches like these, they also come With considerable or at least extended downtime. So they are always announced at least a full day in advance.
Otherwise it would be extremely poor communication from TRION!

As it's already the 16th, it's safe to say the patch won't come today either. And not suprising seeing Sledgehammer's tweet yesterday and how he worded it.

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Originally Posted by ChipNinja

Or we can simply go off of the wonderful concept of "context"

By which I mean if one reads the post, regardless of the (un)intended meaning you were trying to convey, one can infer meaning based on the content of said post.

The context being, "We don't have the patch. Why don't we have a patch? When will we have a patch? Your statement about the patch wasn't sufficient!"

"Fiasco" and fiasco don't have much of a difference in this context.

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Yes, they do. It's meant as double meaning (look it up, again something new to learn). Which further means it can be a fiasco or anything but.
This thread was made so we could get one official explanation to stop all those threads that turn into flame wars. You know, official as someone that actually knows what is going on.
You putting this context into my words is only you wanting it to be so. Nothing more. :)

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Originally Posted by Rend

Yeah bro, we all can read.

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Apparently not many people can claim the same.

Someone said on another forum that people (well, mostly kids and men-children) that have no real drama in their life feel the need to create some on a forum....

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Originally Posted by Elandriel

Yes, they do. It's meant as double meaning (look it up, again something new to learn). Which further means it can be a fiasco or anything but.
This thread was made so we could get one official explanation to stop all those threads that turn into flame wars. You know, official as someone that actually knows what is going on.
You putting this context into my words is only you wanting it to be so. Nothing more. :)

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And you think that they actualy reply this one while leaving the other dozen topics about the patch unreplied? What makes this topic so special?

The patch comes when it comes. If its delayed due perhaps the cheaters, i rather have them a week extra on the patch and kick a bunch of those kiddies, then pushing a patch and leaving the cheaters go free.

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Originally Posted by Dinova

And you think that they actualy reply this one while leaving the other dozen topics about the patch unreplied? What makes this topic so special?

The patch comes when it comes. If its delayed due perhaps the cheaters, i rather have them a week extra on the patch and kick a bunch of those kiddies, then pushing a patch and leaving the cheaters go free.

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Because it's good to have at least one thread that has an official explanation or reply. If it bothers you that its my thread, go ahead, make your own. :)

Wouldn't it be nice to have an exact, official date for things to come? If it's next week, then it's next week. But this way there would be less repeating threads, less flame wars between lovers and haters, less confusion, less bad mood. Wouldn't that be an improvement?

Right now they are most likely asleep, so I doubt we'll get any official word until they are back at the office.

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Originally Posted by Jeronan

The fact that they refuse to give a hard date and time, means something is up and the patch most definetely being delayed.

I have played plenty of online games and MMO's and when it comes to large patches like these, they also come With considerable or at least extended downtime. So they are always announced at least a full day in advance.
Otherwise it would be extremely poor communication from TRION!

As it's already the 16th, it's safe to say the patch won't come today either. And not suprising seeing Sledgehammer's tweet yesterday and how he worded it.

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Couldn´t have said it better.

I think the rage about the 15th rather lies within the lack of any announcement up to this point, than it actually not being out exactly on the 15th.
As Jeronan pointed out, it´s the 16th, and we have no word whatsoever about the patch. Meaning, that it might not only take 1 or 2 days, but possibly even more.
If that is the case, the word "around" doesn´t fit anymore regarding the 15th.

Not all are trolls and want to see the world burn. I for myself am desperately looking forward to the patch, since I think, that the PC version is a bad joke currently. Just look at the amount of threads going on about the obnoxious UI and Chat.
And playing on a bad PC port for 2 weeks, on an officially released game, you cannot blame people for desperately waiting the patch to finally go live in order to have some big issues resolved.

I, like many others, just want to play the game properly.

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Originally Posted by Rend

Yeah bro, we all can read.

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many people come on the forums and can't read >_<

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Originally Posted by Elandriel

So, can we have some official word from Trion explaining it's release day?

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"Soon™"...

I have played MMOs since Ultima Online and this is common practice and the forums is were lots of people flame to the top of their lungs. It usually not the best place to get info. The patch looks like it will be good and they are working very quickly to resolve issues. I am looking forward to them getting past this and getting the DLC out that will expand the world of Defiance.

"Around the 15th" doesn't mean exactly guaranteed to be at 12:01am my time on the 15th.

honestly, the "rage" about the patch not coming right this very second is MMO newbies not knowing any better.

things happen. Patches get delayed by a day or two. It's not the end of the world. and if you think it is, you need some new priorities.

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Originally Posted by Elandriel

Yes, they do. It's meant as double meaning (look it up, again something new to learn). Which further means it can be a fiasco or anything but.

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Just saying, given the context meaning is inferred by the reader regardless of whether you intend it to be or not. Given there's a lot of QQ on the forum, along with the attempt to cover all bases in this post, I doubt that I'm the only one that read it as someone upset they don't have something they want when they want it. Intended context is rarely conveyed the way it is intended via text - hence why many flame wars and arguments over texts occur.

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This thread was made so we could get one official explanation to stop all those threads that turn into flame wars. You know, official as someone that actually knows what is going on.

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The thing is, it has been talked about. We've gotten constant updates since launch. We have been told a big patch is coming. We've been told it should be around the 15th. We've been given an approximate date, and people are upset because it wasn't accurate. Obviously, that means it's not quite ready yet. The end result is you likely have a lot of developers crunching (which sucks) to wrap up their work on the patch to get it ready ASAP.

Ultimately, when the patch is ready, I think we'll all know about it via forum posts and the client actually updating. The problem here is a lot of people on the forums are expecting everything to be 100% to their expectations, and have a fit if something varies from them. Not saying you're one of them, but that's how it is.

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You putting this context into my words is only you wanting it to be so. Nothing more. :)

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Such is the problem with communication - and written communication is the worst to have breakdowns in context as the sender and receiver both have to be on the same page already for truly effective and efficient communication of an intended message to occur.

People's nature is to automatically judge the intent of a written message based on the expected tone (at which point I would again like to refer to the constant QQ in the forum). If you weren't intending for others to take the OP like that, I'm sure there were other ways the message could have been phrased.

In fact, if we were attempting to avoid the conflicts present in other posts, a good start would have probably been
"Hey guys, here are the details behind the patch. Nothing has been set in stone yet... but latest word was 'around the 15th' but..." instead of wording that seems intended to rile people up like: "under the impression (rightfully so)" and "What was promised and not delivered (if anything) and why." Just because you're trying to cover both bases doesn't mean your wording doesn't seem like incitement.

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Wouldn't it be nice to have an exact, official date for things to come? If it's next week, then it's next week.

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Well that really depends. If it's substantially changed from "around the 15th" to the 30th then yeah sure. But lets say they miss their mark for the 15th, and it takes then an extra 6-8 hours. Are we really so entitled that we need them to check in every time they need a few extra hours?

If you were meeting someone out somewhere for a drink, and the meeting was at 10p, are you going to start blowing their phone up at 10:01? Most people would probably give them a little bit of time before attempting to even contact them, much less flooding them with communication. Personally, I'd probably wait until 10:30, and send a simple "hey, whats the word?"

You know... some people do say patience is a virtue. Surprising how little of it exists on the internet.

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But this way there would be less repeating threads, less flame wars between lovers and haters, less confusion, less bad mood. Wouldn't that be an improvement?

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A noble, but naive goal. I believe our first day without this will be the day the forums are finally shut down alongside the servers ;)

Watching people deal with their 1st MMO ever is so amusing sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Warkaiser

Watching people deal with their 1st MMO ever is so amusing sometimes.

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this.

/mandatory10characters

they have done tons of patches since the game launched, If you are talking about the big patch, I'm pretty sure that got pushed back for some reason.

patch fiasco? They still haven't patched (and no, 15th April was not a date set in stone, they said AROUND 15th April) how can you know the patch is a fiasco? You got the client patches before all the rest of the players? ;) :D

You guys are aware that 'around' the 15th doesn't mean 'its on the 15th'. The 15th was the date of the premiere of the Defiance tv show, and so they likely used that date as an anchor as to when changes would be seen, and changes have already been seen. As for the big patches made to the client side of the game, its more likely to be somewhere on the 16th, when both consoles will update their stores. Especially if they're planning to bring more then just a patch over.

The 16th is also situated 'around' the 15th.. right after it to be exact if you're capable of basic math. And what makes people think that this should be a hard set date and that they shouldn't deviate from it? do remember that they've been constantly patching and updating the server side, continuously spreading their resources between hard client fixes, and server fixes for the people having problems. Not only that, but have any of you ever considered what would happen if their Q/A suddenly found a critical flaw, or bug within their patch and that they needed to rework the entire thing so that it doesn't end up screwing up the players? Not to mention that changing the patch in anyway will force them to return through the entirety of Microsoft, and Sony's painful patching system?

Doesn't matter if the patch isn't perfectly on time, or if people have poor reading comprehension, want to flame the forums, or want everything to be perfect.

The patch will come, it will fix things, will break things... then they'll bend back over their desks once more to scrutinize their code, test a new patch, and try to make this experience better for everyone.

Remember folks; Soon.

Also; Should I have steak today, or Lasagna?

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Also; Should I have steak today, or Lasagna?

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Steak. Obviously.

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Originally Posted by Warkaiser

Watching people deal with their 1st MMO ever is so amusing sometimes.

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You mean this? :cool:

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Originally Posted by Valethar

You mean this? :cool:

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Think I have seen this on reddit the other day. I had to chuckle a bit. Then and now. ;)

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Originally Posted by Warkaiser

Watching people deal with their 1st MMO ever is so amusing sometimes.

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You should try watching people turning into sheep on a daily basis. Talk about amusing. :)

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You should try watching people turning into sheep on a daily basis. Talk about amusing. :)

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Not as amusing as watching children rage constantly about things they don't have the slightest clue about due to a) having low capabilities in the reading comprehension department and / or b) never having worked on anything related to an MMO.

Delays & issues happen. Throwing hissy fits on the forum doesnt make them go away. Feel free to keep on trying to make that happen though. Need some entertainment while I do some work.

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Not as amusing as watching children rage constantly about things they don't have the slightest clue about due to a) having low capabilities in the reading comprehension department and / or b) never having worked on anything related to an MMO.

Delays & issues happen. Throwing hissy fits on the forum doesnt make them go away. Feel free to keep on trying to make that happen though. Need some entertainment while I do some work.

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You actually think my OP is a hissy fit?

There still finding bugs and issues in the game, would you rather then bring out a patch then every bug found in the past week will go unsolved until the next patch after this? Which could be what weeks? a month?

I'm fine with them taking there time, nothing worse then when a company rush a patch and it causes more issues then it solves.

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Originally Posted by Ninno20

I'm fine with them taking there time, nothing worse then when a company rush a patch and it causes more issues then it solves.

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Does your statement change when looking at the overall state of the game upon release?