i agree with you there I would pay due to the fact its gonna be a awesome game but if it subscription based they would lose so many console gamersQuote:
Originally Posted by SparklingNugs
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i agree with you there I would pay due to the fact its gonna be a awesome game but if it subscription based they would lose so many console gamersQuote:
Originally Posted by SparklingNugs
I dont mind paying sub fee myself, but I gotta say I hope they go without or even F2P with a shop, shooter market is freaking ruthless.
Personally be quite happy to pay a box price and sub for this game. Others have expressed they'd rather not.
I think one consideration not getting much attention here but which I'm sure Trion and SyFy are thinking about is the transmedia aspects. Which payment model will best capitalise on that?
Typically even less popular sci-fi shows garner a much bigger audience than most MMOs. If the TV show is decent (fingers crossed) then worldwide their audience could be in the millions.
Which model will get more of those people into the game and generating revenue?
If they can generate decent revenue in the game from eg. advertising / product placement then I could see them going completely f2p with a cash shop. Lowest barrier to entry (needing to download the game) possible.
If they do have a box price and or sub then I'd expect them to have a free trial from the start.
well what monster hunter did for 360 is you pay 1400ms point for month but they included 1month of xbox live so technically you don't lose your live doing so . i will not mind paying so but i still prefer guild wars style . pay once and pay for major expansionQuote:
Originally Posted by stormaaron
http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=31361&storypage=2
We haven’t picked one 100% yet, but we’re looking at a boxed product, so you’ll go to the store and you’ll buy it, or potentially download it through something like PSN. And then you have a choice – it’s dual – where you can decide “I want to pick things and pay for them piecemeal”, or “I can pick a subscription, and get all of that stuff as I go, and get all of the DLC free as long as I’m subscribed.”If the subscription really does include everything - i.e. there's nothing in the cash shop I can't get just from playing the game - then that sounds good to me.
Most of the "no sub" comments come from live and psn players, it looks like. But then, live and psn dont have alot of genres that are true MMO's. See, an MMO is similer to an ongoing premium TV series, we'll say "Sparticus" for example. Sparticus is aired on Starz or one of those premium cable channels, that in order to watch it (straight up, not download from a streaming website), you have to pay a subscription fee. Doesnt matter of you are direct tv, comcast, cox cable, or stealing it from your neighbor's cable, you still have to at least look like you are a subscriber.
MMO's are similer in that it is ongoing content that you, as the player are your own star in the world of whatever MMO you are playing. Sure, you can crack the source code an play on your own private server (for free), but you wont get the same things as the live servers. MMO's ARE, in fact, shifting their marketting to move away from reliance on subscriptions, but face it, one way or another, to get fresh content, good working servers and a staff that is ontop of any problems... They have to get paid. A market of "free" does not pay the bills.
With a hybrid marketting system, the knowledge we have so far, is that they will allow you to play (similer to the GW2 model), but they encourage you to pay a subscription, so you dont need to pay for micro transactions. I like the option of paying ontop of the sub fee, for things like xp boosts, character customization perks, etc, but I've been on PC MMO platforms for a long time, and I guess I've just come to understand how the system works better.
In b4 the "there's free MMO's!"
Yes, there are free mmo's, but compare their quality to full blown "AAA" rated games such as this release. I could say there are $1.99 games on steam, why cant I have asassin's creed or Halo 4 for that?
TL;DR - I like the proposed idea of the sub and non sub, I will be subbing, should it remain an option.
:I Love you people, all of you are ok
The way the industry seems to be going is basically:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadinaxx
- Premium (you subscribe to play)
- Free to play (you pay absolutely nothing)
- Hybrid (you can subscribe)
But generally the hybrid type systems aren't beneficial to the player. Most are just a means of getting money from the player and giving back a little like in-store credits. Lord of the Rings Online was interesting in that they made subscribing give you access to areas you don't get unless you bought them. I was definitely not ok with that. At least in my case I subscribed for months then stopped when it went free to play and they took the full game away from me. They refused to let me play the areas I had already gone through with that character even though I "paid" for it with buying the original retail game.
There are however some amazing games out there that could be well argued with being AAA+ with no cost what so ever. This being games that developed as free and the ones that went free over time. The cash shop is definitely the way to go for most developers because it's cheap, easy, and a constant influx of cash.
Take a look at Planetside 2. AMAZING game. Flat out, truly amazing title. It probably rakes in the cash with the amount of microtransactions it gets. It has a large store of TONS of items that really give the player the opportunity to make themselves different than the average player. Unfortunately I think they went overboard with offering guns that way, but it's a proven system that works. So long as you put some effort into the store.
Other amazing games like Path of Exile are completely free. Their store however is very minimal and frankly concerns me for the future of the game. But in cases like that, they'll have to eventually add expansions to the game that you'll need to buy.
Either way, I'm not opposed to subscriptions or in favor of them. There are some subscription games (like Mortal Online) that should be free, and there's some free games I'd pay for. I'd like to see this game offer an amazing cash shop of NON game changing items, and let us support it through our purchases. Give back to people who want to subscribe by giving them free access to future expansions or cash shop money... but don't force any system on the player.
My bag of pennies.
Why was this grave dug just to say you love them /sarcasm
Haha, I hadn't even noticed that. :P Good call.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokkrwolf
buy to play, no subs only xbox live gold fees , and optional micro transitions , like gw2 :P
You guys are killing me with this!
It's not that big of a deal because you only pay Gold one time a year.
Plus I have played MMO on xbox live and I can tell you I have saved so much money doing this then just keep buying games.
This game wouldnt need a Subscription so your good.
Let me do the math for yo guys real quick to see the big difference.
you pay 1 year of MMO $180 ($15)
you buy like 6 games $480
Also you don't get xbox live for Hulu or Netflix because those are just a plus.
For me the subscription was a killer and why I never got Live going for my 360. I already pay for internet access... quite a lot in fact. To have to pay to further access the net through the console was a no deal for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nervusbreakdown
But to each is own. You might not care and it might not be a big deal to you, but it can be for other people.
just to pay $60 one time a year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primus Palus
Matter of fact you can get it as low as $39. its not even monthly!
But I guess your right, I just dont understand some people.
To be 100% clear -
We (Trion) do not have any subscription fees for any console. Other fees associated with the specific console are out of our hands.
Xbox...LOL...
$200 System with 4Gigs and you have to pay $15 a month....LOL
At least we never had our accounts stolen...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoo
But honestly don't start a flame war over such nonsense, just because you don't like something doesn't mean others have to succumb to what you think is better. We are all gamers and that's all you should think about.
For those of you can look up on amazon and find 12 month subscription codes for 40 but mostly 50 bucks for 12 months. I've been paying for Gold sense the 360 came out. I'm happy with it and find it worth the small price to pay. I literally use my 360 like a web book especially sense it got IE.
First of all there is no "have to pay"Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoo
Also you got your facts wrong that is $99 4 gig with kinect or 250gig with $15 2 year Contract.
Other wise you pay 3 months or a year.
People can find $30 a month ease.
I understand thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Myll_Erik
Those $99 dollar value's are a rip off unless you won't be able to save up and just buy a system out right.
that is a waste of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoslion
I like to think I'm saving cash cause I got the 180$ because of the season pass, if you figure any dlc nowadays is at least 15-20$ then even if they do four or five I'm saving cash in the long run and plus I'm a nerd when it comes to collectiblesQuote:
Originally Posted by Nervusbreakdown
I asked that to Myll_Erik, the community manager, he told me this "Howdy! The game is more like GW2 in that you buy the game and then play for free! There is no subscription for any platform." I was thrilled!
I'm fine with a monthly subscription, as long as it doesn't cost me any more then $15 a month. It's got nothing to do with paying for live, or anything else for that matter, I just don't think many games can provide enough content for me to pay on a regular basis. I love shooters and mmos so maybe this game will keep me entertained for longer. If there is a monthly subscription, the $100 I spent on this game better include a month or two for free.
I don't want to see any kind of in-game store selling gameplay related items. The only store I ever approve or buy from are ones with cosmetic items or even things like mounts. If I spend hours on this game to get some special weapon, I don't want to see some kid who has played for 10 minutes having the same thing because he borrowed his mothers credit card. It's just unfair.
I would like this game to be F2P (aside from the disc cost) but have that be limited. Similar to DC Universe. Those who pay monthly have everything available to them and theres an ingame store with cosmetic items that can be obtained throughout the world or bought with real world money. Also similar to DC Universe, there could be a medium level account gotten by spending X amount of money in the store which would unlock slightly more features. This would give incentive to pay for atleast the medium level account while still not making anybody HAVE to pay monthly for more features then F2P.