Second Generation Gamer here...

Is it just me,or do gamers nowadays only 1.buy/play one game,2.Instantly complain about (x) if they can't have it RIGHT then??When I was coming up,it was customary to have more than one game to play at a time.I play a good bit of different games,and just use downtime in one,to play the other.I remember when there was no internet and you got the game you got,broken or not.People should be glad that things are being fixed.If it takes them a week,it shouldn't matter.You wouldn't want to rush a airplane mechanic,just to get on the plane faster,would you?Oh wait...

Nothing to do with generation, it's just personal preference.

Thats a little like saying you remember when cars had manual transmissions, so we shouldn't expect much from automatics.

Times change.

It only matters to me in games I pay a monthly fee for.

Unless you live in a place like sweden where most cars have manual transmission, but I dont mind. I prefer manual transmission anyway.

I have better things to do with my hand than shift gears.

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Originally Posted by Blackwolfe

Unless you live in a place like sweden where most cars have manual transmission, but I dont mind. I prefer manual transmission anyway.

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Originally Posted by Snowranger19

I have better things to do with my hand than shift gears.

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I see what you did there!

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Originally Posted by Snowranger19

Thats a little like saying you remember when cars had manual transmissions, so we shouldn't expect much from automatics.

Times change.

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You mean, US got lazy? Majority of EU driven cars are still manual :P

Or our country is bigger land-wise and we needed to shift gears more frequently due to higher speeds.

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Originally Posted by Dinova

You mean, US got lazy? Majority of EU driven cars are still manual :P

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Originally Posted by Snowranger19

Thats a little like saying you remember when cars had manual transmissions, so we shouldn't expect much from automatics.

Times change.

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times change, people dont

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Originally Posted by Snowranger19

Thats a little like saying you remember when cars had manual transmissions, so we shouldn't expect much from automatics.

Times change.

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Cars still have manual transmissions? and they are still being made like that? i get your point but it really isn't something like that.
anyways to OP like said earlier it's preferences and also most of the time it's a handful of ppl that are acting like this, not everyone.

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Originally Posted by Snowranger19

Or our country is bigger land-wise and we needed to shift gears more frequently due to higher speeds.

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If its actualy bigger, you would be more often on very very long stretched roads, going steady at 100km/h (or 200+ incase of germany :D), making gearshifting no problem at all. Once you go beyond 80, and u dont have a 6th/overdrive, you are just driving the same gear all the time.

And i think land-wise its not that much bigger, we just live alot more centralized :)

The game has barely been out two weeks, at most right? It is going to have some bugs, some issues, which they are hoping to work out right now. Every MMO has issues at its beginning, and Defiance was/is no different. Given time, it will work better and better.

You mad bro?

He is comparing a time when games were in the minority, the technology was limited, and expectations were not that high to a time when games are VERY popular and titles get more money spent than on films. It does not really make sense.

When movies first came out, having flickers and spots on the film was ok. With the HD world, if your movie was flickering, people would storm the box office.

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Originally Posted by Shootersa

Cars still have manual transmissions? and they are still being made like that? i get your point but it really isn't something like that.
anyways to OP like said earlier it's preferences and also most of the time it's a handful of ppl that are acting like this, not everyone.

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You are referring to a time when developers took their time pushing a product to market because there was not easy way to patch things once it was out.

Today, development companies push things out half done and try to fix everything with patches. While this is a great convenience, it has be abused by development companies so that it happens WAY to much.

This has resulted in upsetting the consumer who is tired of buying a game where none of the glaring issues are notes on the box, and once found that the wrapping was deceiving often has no recourse as they can not return an open game.

Who's to say a lot of gamers weren't the same back then, only difference now is they have the internet to easily share their frustrations. Now they can get their point across to companies and developers more easily than we could back then. I'm sure most people have plenty of other options to play on while they wait, but their frustration and not choosing to play another must mean they are really enjoying this game :p

I never remember waiting for SimFarm servers to finish patching..

Oh wait.. thats because they didn't have servers back then..

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Originally Posted by Evilution

Who's to say a lot of gamers weren't the same back then, only difference now is they have the internet to easily share their frustrations. Now they can get their point across to companies and developers more easily than we could back then. I'm sure most people have plenty of other options to play on while they wait, but their frustration and not choosing to play another must mean they are really enjoying this game :p

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I dont think its really time-technology based, more mentality of the gamers. We are just fast-consumers now, if it aint up to the standard, its crap, we got the social media to express our voice and some other company is waiting to snatch those leavers for their game.

I'm also an old timey, crusty, dusty gamer......cut my gaming teeth in 81' with an Atari 2600. I have a lot of games on a bunch of different systems and my PC and I play games in "spurts". I play a game for several weeks and then move onto another game which I'll then play for several weeks. I get where you're coming from but as a gamer and a consumer I feel that I should be entitled to play a game once I pay for it. I work in the IT field as a system designer and let me just say that I really wish my clients and customers were as forgiving as a lot of the "give em a chance" crowd on this forum. If I promised a customer that something would be done by a certain date and it wasn't I'd get sued for breach of contract......or at the very least I could expect to lose them as a client, and rightfully so. Luckily for game companies there's a whole lot of tolerant customers out there.

You guys know the people Im talking about.The "I wan't my money back,this game sucks,I'm uninstalling"
But when the servers come back on,there they are.
Oh wait,I though you were quitting last patch.

No it is.. back then when you bought it a game and took it home, it worked..

because it was clearly stated what you needed to work, it was all offline, and if it didn't work you just took it back to the store.

Now, we have platforms, different types of PCs, interwebs, online servers, complex coding, tweaking, patching, and digital distribution.

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Originally Posted by Dinova

I dont think its really time-technology based, more mentality of the gamers. We are just fast-consumers now, if it aint up to the standard, its crap, we got the social media to express our voice and some other company is waiting to snatch those leavers for their game.

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Gamers are quite unique group of population. They are willing to pay for getting alpha / beta testing rights.

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Originally Posted by Derity

Nothing to do with generation, it's just personal preference.

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I think it has plenty to do with generation.Everyone wants everything "NOW'.If it doesn't happen NOW,then they are all riled up,cursing and throwing feces about.

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Originally Posted by Brigade

You guys know the people Im talking about.The "I wan't my money back,this game sucks,I'm uninstalling"
But when the servers come back on,there they are.
Oh wait,I though you were quitting last patch.

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The reason they do not do this? Most games can not be returned once opened.

Trust me, with the track record Trion is establishing with this game, I would return it and maybe, just maybe, rebuy it at a later date for a discounted price and reduced issues. However, since I bought the digital download and season pass (over $100 US) and can not return it, I can expectations in order to get my money out of the game.

Just like Trion and its backers expect a return on their financial investment, I expect the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Draugluin

Gamers are quite unique group of population. They are willing to pay for getting alpha / beta testing rights.

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Yes. Quite amusing when people desperately try to get into betas, fail to use the beta to do any sort of testing, and then whine for months on end about bugs that they could have identified and reported during alpha and beta.

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Originally Posted by Brigade

Is it just me,or do gamers nowadays only 1.buy/play one game,2.Instantly complain about (x) if they can't have it RIGHT then??When I was coming up,it was customary to have more than one game to play at a time.I play a good bit of different games,and just use downtime in one,to play the other.I remember when there was no internet and you got the game you got,broken or not.People should be glad that things are being fixed.If it takes them a week,it shouldn't matter.You wouldn't want to rush a airplane mechanic,just to get on the plane faster,would you?Oh wait...

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I remember this too, But It was also a diffrent time. Back in 1998 when I was cracking shareware, things were diffrent, Shareware by its nature was made to be shared, and disciminated. It was like a demo that was unlockable. If you put out a bad demo, no one is going to buy your product, especialy back then, when no one advertised their games, so the only real way you would know if a game was good was to play the demo.

The ability to patch your product after release has made developers, reviewers, and gamers lazy. It has lowered our standerds.

I played Exile III in the 90's from spiderwebsoftware.com for days on end, and never finished it. It was essentially oblivion before oblivion. I never downloaded a single patch for that game, and never had a problem.

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Originally Posted by ChipNinja

Yes. Quite amusing when people desperately try to get into betas, fail to use the beta to do any sort of testing, and then whine for months on end about bugs that they could have identified and reported during alpha and beta.

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Exactly.Like why would you eat/sleep/breathe a beta without reporting bugs?I never join Beta If I Really want to play the game.That will only make sense to some...

I'm still holding on to the opinion that unless your old enough to have blown on a Final Fantasy 2 cartridge to get it to work then you should not be able to post on the forums at all... And with the various comments being posted by ignorant morons about the game being down for an extra minute/hour/etc or because their exact, specific problem was not instantly fixed I will be think I will be holding on to this opinion for the foreseeable future.

Yes, I know this rant is a generalization against young people and I smile everytime someone under the age of 30 proves me wrong, just seems to me there are a lot of people out there that were not taught the value of patience.

Blowing in an old cartridge? How about using a tape deck as a storage device on your old computer hooked up to a B/W TV!?

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Originally Posted by MaritimeMage

I'm still holding on to the opinion that unless your old enough to have blown on a Final Fantasy 2 cartridge to get it to work then you should not be able to post on the forums at all... And with the various comments being posted by ignorant morons about the game being down for an extra minute/hour/etc or because their exact, specific problem was not instantly fixed I will be think I will be holding on to this opinion for the foreseeable future.

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Well put and QFT.

I too have a hard time understanding the yuppies who are flaming/ranting about things not being addressed within some obscure time line that they see is reasonable but in reality it flat out isn't.

People need to have more patience when games come out. Specially games that are on going and have no end. IE MMO's.

We all know they will patch things up to make a smooth game.
We all know that new content will be released over a timeline the company see's fit.
We all know that our feedback will be at minimum reviewed and looked at.

So whats the beef? I'm with the OP on the old days you either went to a friends house who had the game to see if you wanted a copy for yourself. Or you waited to rent it before buying.

If the game wasn't something you liked you just didn't buy it.

Today, technology has changed but our expectations shouldn't.

We should expect to get what we get when they release a new game. If the game is flawed in some way we should expect that the company will address these issues as they see fit.

If they don't see it fit to address the issues and just ignore you (cough Blizzard) then your complaints are valid.

People who are complaining 2 weeks out have nothing to complain about. You need to relax and respect those who have been working really REALLY hard to get their game out and working.

Its a sign of respect to allow for those who do this for a living to review the request changes, identified bugs, or glitches people report and have time to work on them.

All the complainers are people who don't understand the behind the scenes process for game design and it shows when they can't even wait for a patch which has to be pushed back 24 hours. Seesh.

But forums have been since their conception for a place for people who would rather piss and moan about something obscure so other pissers and moaners can rally behind them so they all can have a piss party.

But hey, thats the internet i suppose. The rest of us who have patience and understand the work that it takes to create a game and support one shows in those who try to bring reason to the mob. Sometimes people are just unreasonable. I blame their parents.

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Originally Posted by Brigade

Is it just me,or do gamers nowadays only 1.buy/play one game,2.Instantly complain about (x) if they can't have it RIGHT then??When I was coming up,it was customary to have more than one game to play at a time.I play a good bit of different games,and just use downtime in one,to play the other.I remember when there was no internet and you got the game you got,broken or not.People should be glad that things are being fixed.If it takes them a week,it shouldn't matter.You wouldn't want to rush a airplane mechanic,just to get on the plane faster,would you?Oh wait...

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Can you re-edit your post with spaces, and paragraph space, this is almost unreadable. I swear my eyes have crossed in the attempt. I have no idea what you said because.. argh, got a feeling you might have a good thing to say, but I can't read it like this.