Dear Trion

I've just about had it...

Before I start my rant I want all you little brown nosers to either click the back button at the top left of your screen, or change your attitude and post an educated response.

Where do I begin?

Over the last few days I have been raging because, as you all know, the game is extremely bugged. I expect every game I play to have some bugs, they are to be expected, BUT THIS IS A JOKE!

Every aspect of this game is bugged in one way or another.

WEAPONS - Change mods randomly, reload twice on EGO discharge, do different amounts of damage every day, change appearance irregularly and many combinations of these annoyances.

VEHICLES - Wheels decide to dissapear while driving, stats reset after hours of progress, blow up after running over two people? ( I know this was changed with the patch but whoever came up with that idea doesn't deserve to play the game. )

PvP - Stats do not register for pursuits and reset every game ( an easy fix ), spawning system is diabolical, shotguns are extremely overpowered, cloak is overpowered, pursuits appear for maps that are not available, hackers have penetrated the hackshield already and last but not least, winning a shadow war results in a loss and vice versa. <--- not fixing this is just lazy.

MISSIONS - Players are sometimes not able to interact wth objectives, players can often complete the mission without the completion registering, cut scenes frequently bug out, subtitles do the same.

ADDITIONAL PURSUITS - Data recorders are often bugged out or invisible, pursuits that involve killing enemies in certain areas just don't work for some players ( like todays radio tower pursuit ), as stated before CAPTURE AND HOLD IS NOT IN THE GAME TRION!!

SOCIAl - Enough said.

Never before have I had to take time away from playing a game to write a post this big about how much it is doing my head in.

WE ARE PAYING YOUR WAGES, GET A GRIP!

Today I watched a live stream of a Trion employee playing the game and having the time of his life, makes my blood boil knowing i've paid for this.

A perfect example of how a dev team should be is Path of Exile.
18 ****ING people update this game with meaningful content, frequently.

18 people outdo you in every way possbile, and the hilarious thing is, Path of Exile is free..

Pull your finger out Trion...Stop updating the game with outfits and purchasable crap and start changing this game for the better.

Are you no better than the other money grabbing, idiotic, ignorant developers out there?

We shall see...

Well that was quite a read. Im rather enjoying the game and im excited to see how the game evolves as more content is added. We shall see indeed.

Here we go again!! While i agree that there are many bugs to be fixed i think you are overreacting.

Social - chat certainly needs sorting.

Pvp - I haven't really done so can't comment.

The rest is inaccurate or just "happens" to have all not happened to me nor the people I play with.


Regardless, I don't think anyone will disagree that any outstanding bugs need fixing.

All my fellow guild members experience all, if not, most of the bugs outlined.

I'm honestly not trying to be an ***, but, I can't help to be it.

Let's get the first thing out of the way, the team working on bug fixing is not the same team making new content, which really shouldn't come as a surprise.

Second, please, oh please, keep in mind that no MMO launches without problems, the game has it's problems but compared to a lot of other MMO launches, it's, well, decent. It's not the best launch but it is what it is.

On a side note, it seems that you somehow are experiencing every single bug imaginable in the game, most of you're bugs with weapons I've never even heard of.

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Originally Posted by Seporator

Here we go again!! While i agree that there are many bugs to be fixed i think you are overreacting.

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I don´t think so. He has valid points.

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Originally Posted by Fictional

All my fellow guild members experience all, if not, most of the bugs outlined.

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Of course they do. Everyone you know experiences every bug imaginable in every play session! ;)

Ah, the anonymity of the internet...

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Forgot in my post - cutscenes not displaying, I've had that too. Only while in a group though.

After seeing the amazing work Trion did with RIFT, I'm quite disappointed on how they are handling Defiance :(

most of this is potentially one bug - packet loss.

I can pretty much guarantee that no mmo is ever released perfect, and i can also guarantee that no MMO like Defiance has ever been released. There are things that could have never been imagined to go wrong, therefore, takes longer to fix. "Path of Exile" is a more traditional game, therefore, past games have given those 18 people more experience. I agree that the bugs need to be fixed, but there is this little thing that some people seem to forget, its called patience.

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Originally Posted by RookieOnDuty

I'm honestly not trying to be an ***, but, I can't help to be it.

Let's get the first thing out of the way, the team working on bug fixing is not the same team making new content, which really shouldn't come as a surprise.

Second, please, oh please, keep in mind that no MMO launches without problems, the game has it's problems but compared to a lot of other MMO launches, it's, well, decent. It's not the best launch but it is what it is.

On a side note, it seems that you somehow are experiencing every single bug imaginable in the game, most of you're bugs with weapons I've never even heard of.

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I know how a game is launched and who is in charge of what...

I have personally experienced every bug I have mentioned.

I do not care who is working on bugs and who isn't anyway, I have played free games with teams who actively fix things that need fixing. That is the service you paid for and are not recieving.

Of course they are working on it, it's their ***** on the line.

How many Trion employees does it take to fix in a broken data recorder?

If you are honestly getting each of those bugs in every play session, I think you should accept that you are not meant to play this game, and go get your money back.

No one is forcing you to stay, and no one is forcing you to continue "paying the wages" of Trion. You have a choice. Go make that choice.

I agree with the OP on most points. I have invested a lot of time into this game and think it COULD be great.

The PvP is a joke at the minute it's practically impossible to complete pursuits as the reset after every match.

Just because you haven't encounter the bugs doesn't mean the rest of us haven't.

I really want to continue playing this game but am finding it hard to as pursuits are bugged which means I have no real incentive of playing or even attempt trying them as I know it won't register or will just reset.

Example - I am still waiting as is a lot of other people for the fix of the bugged data recorder in Marin. The first patch was to "fix" this but it seems anyone who picked it up before the patch has got screwed.

The only reason why I'm still playing is because of my clan if I wasn't in it I'd have probably finished with the game a while ago. Just hoping Trion will address these issues in the near future.

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Originally Posted by Rend

I don´t think so. He has valid points.

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Yes, he does. But do they justify enough to make his blood boil?

People declaring this the buggiest launch ever or so buggy that they are rage-quitting? PC gaming must have become nirvana since I left it, or perhaps none of you let have ever played a Bethesda game.

OP, go play Path of Exile and have a good time.

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Originally Posted by Youngwings

I can pretty much guarantee that no mmo is ever released perfect, and i can also guarantee that no MMO like Defiance has ever been released. There are things that could have never been imagined to go wrong, therefore, takes longer to fix. "Path of Exile" is a more traditional game, therefore, past games have given those 18 people more experience. I agree that the bugs need to be fixed, but there is this little thing that some people seem to forget, its called patience.

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I don't pay to be patient

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Originally Posted by Odinswolf

I agree with the OP on most points. I have invested a lot of time into this game and think it COULD be great.

The PvP is a joke at the minute it's practically impossible to complete pursuits as the reset after every match.

Just because you haven't encounter the bugs doesn't mean the rest of us haven't.

I really want to continue playing this game but am finding it hard to as pursuits are bugged which means I have no real incentive of playing or even attempt trying them as I know it won't register or will just reset.

Example - I am still waiting as is a lot of other people for the fix of the bugged data recorder in Marin. The first patch was to "fix" this but it seems anyone who picked it up before the patch has got screwed.

The only reason why I'm still playing is because of my clan if I wasn't in it I'd have probably finished with the game a while ago. Just hoping Trion will address these issues in the near future.

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PvP isn't fun without pursuits?

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Originally Posted by Fictional

I've just about had it...

Before I start my rant I want all you little brown nosers to either click the back button at the top left of your screen, or change your attitude and post an educated response.

Where do I begin?

Over the last few days I have been raging because, as you all know, the game is extremely bugged. I expect every game I play to have some bugs, they are to be expected, BUT THIS IS A JOKE!

Every aspect of this game is bugged in one way or another.



WEAPONS - Change mods randomly, reload twice on EGO discharge, do different amounts of damage every day, change appearance irregularly and many combinations of these annoyances.

VEHICLES - Wheels decide to dissapear while driving, stats reset after hours of progress, blow up after running over two people? ( I know this was changed with the patch but whoever came up with that idea doesn't deserve to play the game. )

PvP - Stats do not register for pursuits and reset every game ( an easy fix ), spawning system is diabolical, shotguns are extremely overpowered, cloak is overpowered, pursuits appear for maps that are not available, hackers have penetrated the hackshield already and last but not least, winning a shadow war results in a loss and vice versa. <--- not fixing this is just lazy.

MISSIONS - Players are sometimes not able to interact wth objectives, players can often complete the mission without the completion registering, cut scenes frequently bug out, subtitles do the same.

ADDITIONAL PURSUITS - Data recorders are often bugged out or invisible, pursuits that involve killing enemies in certain areas just don't work for some players ( like todays radio tower pursuit ), as stated before CAPTURE AND HOLD IS NOT IN THE GAME TRION!!

SOCIAl - Enough said.

Never before have I had to take time away from playing a game to write a post this big about how much it is doing my head in.

WE ARE PAYING YOUR WAGES, GET A GRIP!

Today I watched a live stream of a Trion employee playing the game and having the time of his life, makes my blood boil knowing i've paid for this.

A perfect example of how a dev team should be is Path of Exile.
18 ****ING people update this game with meaningful content, frequently.

18 people outdo you in every way possbile, and the hilarious thing is, Path of Exile is free..

Pull your finger out Trion...Stop updating the game with outfits and purchasable crap and start changing this game for the better.

Are you no better than the other money grabbing, idiotic, ignorant developers out there?

We shall see...

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you lost me at Path of Failure. such an awful game

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Originally Posted by RegularX

PvP isn't fun without pursuits?

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The "fun" part of gaming for the modern gamer is increasing numbers.

Achievement points, stats in the character window, stats on your weapon.

Some people have no interest in the game or having fun, just in having the biggest numbers imaginable.



It's sad, but evidence is mounting that it's true.

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Originally Posted by Fictional

I don't pay to be patient

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That really isn't your choice though, is it? Fixing something isn't as easy as clicking on it, clicking a big "Fix this" button, and sending out a patch.

It takes time to write new code, or edit existing code, to fix the problem. Sometimes that also means changing code in other parts of the game that you wouldn't think is necessary. After that, it has to go through in-house testing to make sure it's not creating any bugs somewhere else. After that, it has to be approved to be sent out to us. They're also not going to release a patch to simply fix a broken data recorder either. They'll wait until other stuff is fixed.

There are other steps involved, and that's all assuming everything goes well.

To sum it up: You may not pay to be patient, but get over it and be patient anyways. Would you rather it be fixed properly or they rush through it just to have to fix other bugs afterward?

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Originally Posted by Aimeri

If you are honestly getting each of those bugs in every play session, I think you should accept that you are not meant to play this game, and go get your money back.

No one is forcing you to stay, and no one is forcing you to continue "paying the wages" of Trion. You have a choice. Go make that choice.

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I have to step in on this one.

So you buy a car and you find out that the seat belt doesn't fit around you or the headlights continue to not come on when they are meant to. Does this mean you should stop driving and give up... or do you take car to the garage to get fixed, well you take it to the garage to get fixed, because you paid for the car.

No one is forcing you to drive, but you want to drive, so you have to do what is needed to get through that moment of trouble. Sometimes you feel as if you are being ****ed by the mechanics as they are overcharging you for what needs to be fixed, but you bend over and take it and you have the right as a consumer to complain about what is happening.

So what you said is ******ed I'm sorry to say. We are gamers and we can't choice to not be a gamers, it's in our blood. It's what gave many of you social skills when you were once afraid to speak to people, it gives many the motivation to be better at what we do in our jobs/life and of course to be better in the games we play.

So what you said is unfortunately very narrow minded and shows you are one of the new generation of gamers.

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Originally Posted by Fictional

I've just about had it...

Before I start my rant I want all you little brown nosers to either click the back button at the top left of your screen, or change your attitude and post an educated response.

Where do I begin?

Over the last few days I have been raging because, as you all know, the game is extremely bugged. I expect every game I play to have some bugs, they are to be expected, BUT THIS IS A JOKE!

Every aspect of this game is bugged in one way or another.

WEAPONS - Change mods randomly, reload twice on EGO discharge, do different amounts of damage every day, change appearance irregularly and many combinations of these annoyances.

VEHICLES - Wheels decide to dissapear while driving, stats reset after hours of progress, blow up after running over two people? ( I know this was changed with the patch but whoever came up with that idea doesn't deserve to play the game. )

PvP - Stats do not register for pursuits and reset every game ( an easy fix ), spawning system is diabolical, shotguns are extremely overpowered, cloak is overpowered, pursuits appear for maps that are not available, hackers have penetrated the hackshield already and last but not least, winning a shadow war results in a loss and vice versa. <--- not fixing this is just lazy.

MISSIONS - Players are sometimes not able to interact wth objectives, players can often complete the mission without the completion registering, cut scenes frequently bug out, subtitles do the same.

ADDITIONAL PURSUITS - Data recorders are often bugged out or invisible, pursuits that involve killing enemies in certain areas just don't work for some players ( like todays radio tower pursuit ), as stated before CAPTURE AND HOLD IS NOT IN THE GAME TRION!!

SOCIAl - Enough said.

Never before have I had to take time away from playing a game to write a post this big about how much it is doing my head in.

WE ARE PAYING YOUR WAGES, GET A GRIP!

Today I watched a live stream of a Trion employee playing the game and having the time of his life, makes my blood boil knowing i've paid for this.

A perfect example of how a dev team should be is Path of Exile.
18 ****ING people update this game with meaningful content, frequently.

18 people outdo you in every way possbile, and the hilarious thing is, Path of Exile is free..

Pull your finger out Trion...Stop updating the game with outfits and purchasable crap and start changing this game for the better.

Are you no better than the other money grabbing, idiotic, ignorant developers out there?

We shall see...

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In what context are your making this complaint? Are you on PC or Console? If so which one?

I am on PC and do not have almost any of those issues. I am aware that XBOX has, through their requirements, forced a lot of issues because the Xbox is not even as up to date as the PS3. I don't think the Xbox can handle Defiance and that is the real issue with the XBox people. Microsoft sold you a bill of goods that is Shtako.

Also no other MMO has ever tried cross platform, that has a set of challenges that is unique and there is no one Trion can look to for support or advice.

Also, as much as PC players would love a PC friendly U.I. the console people would cry foul because console people have been 80% of the *****ing and whining as it is because PC player have had YEARS of experience with MMO's and release dates where as Xbox has not had a MMO for 7 years and all other attempts have failed, which should prove just how daunting of a task it is.

When I look back at other MMO launches I have been involved with Defiance is one of the smoothest and Rift was also in my top 5 of smoothest launched. Wow wasn't playable for it's first month at all with all the roll backs and server crashes.

You have some valid issues, have you also updated all of your drivers since? I had to roll back one of my device drivers for Beta to make it playable.

I think Trion also needs a test realm so that players can help test patches before they go live and make sure the fixes work. What ever they are using as an internal testing system is an obvious failure at this point.

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Originally Posted by Doowi

I have to step in on this one.

So you buy a car and you find out that the seat belt doesn't fit around you or the headlights continue to not come on when they are meant to. Does this mean you should stop driving and give up... or do you take car to the garage to get fixed, well you take it to the garage to get fixed, because you paid for the car.

No one is forcing you to drive, but you want to drive, so you have to do what is needed to get through that moment of trouble. Sometimes you feel as if you are being ****ed by the mechanics as they are overcharging you for what needs to be fixed, but you bend over and take it and you have the right as a consumer to complain about what is happening.

So what you said is ******ed I'm sorry to say. We are gamers and we can't choice to not be a gamer, it's in our blood. It's what gives many of us social skills who were once afraid to speak to people, it gives us motivation to be better at what we do in our jobs and of course in the games we play.

So what you said is unfortunately very narrow minded and shows you are one of the new generation of gamers.

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It isn't though. Do you know why? This is a video game, and not a car. It's very rare you can make a comparison here, because this thing we do called "gaming" is done as a hobby. We do it for fun. If he is not having fun, he should not do it. If he isn't getting what he paid for in his hobby, he shouldn't pay for it. Simple as that.

Edit: Also, by the way, I am 28 years old and I have been gaming since as far back as I can remember. I assure you, I am not part of the "new generation of gamer".

I was not saying the OP was wrong in his feelings. I was just saying that if he doesn't like how his hobby is going, move on.

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Originally Posted by Doowi

I have to step in on this one.

So you buy a car and you find out that the seat belt doesn't fit around you or the headlights continue to not come on when they are meant to. Does this mean you should stop driving and give up... or do you take car to the garage to get fixed, well you take it to the garage to get fixed, because you paid for the car.

No one is forcing you to drive, but you want to drive, so you have to do what is needed to get through that moment of trouble. Sometimes you feel as if you are being ****ed by the mechanics as they are overcharging you for what needs to be fixed, but you bend over and take it and you have the right as a consumer to complain about what is happening.

So what you said is ******ed I'm sorry to say. We are gamers and we can't choice to not be a gamers, it's in our blood. It's what gave many of you social skills when you were once afraid to speak to people, it gives many the motivation to be better at what we do in our jobs/life and of course to be better in the games we play.

So what you said is unfortunately very narrow minded and shows you are one of the new generation of gamers.

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Knowing that no MMO launch which I have been a part of (and I've played MMOs since the days of Meridian 59 / Ultima Online) has been far from smooth does not make a "narrow minded" member of the "new generation of gamers".

It means I have experience of MMO launches and realistic expectations.


I can only assume that anyone who thinks that an MMO will be perfect at launch has never played an MMO at launch. Or they have amnesia.


And regardless of any rose-tinted, nostalgic memories even companies like Blizzard had issues at launch.

back when i learned FORTRAN, our instructors had an anacronym, that was drilled into our heads. GIGO. it stands for this: Garbage In, Garbage Out. perhaps if the dev team were competent, they wouldn't require an entire separate team, for bug fixes :) tying the game into the series is a MARKETING GIMMICK. and no amount of good marketing will overcome a poorly executed launch. right now, you have a live product in front of customers, and the gameplay quality is, to put it bluntly, failing in all marks. if trion executive leadership chooses to continue focusing on marketing agreements, they will soon be left with a very expensive tv series on their hands. lemme know how that works out for ya.

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Originally Posted by Jestunhi

The "fun" part of gaming for the modern gamer is increasing numbers.

Achievement points, stats in the character window, stats on your weapon.

Some people have no interest in the game or having fun, just in having the biggest numbers imaginable.



It's sad, but evidence is mounting that it's true.

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Well for me I like to complete games to the fullest not just finish and give up. If you think I'm a "modern" gamer and just care about having big number etc you are very much mistaken lad.

Games with horrid launches...Pong, Miss Pacman, Golf, and who could forget, Space invaders! XD

To all the people replying with long winded responses about being patient or something....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8

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Originally Posted by Aimeri

It isn't though. Do you know why? This is a video game, and not a car. It's very rare you can make a comparison here, because this thing we do called "gaming" is done as a hobby. We do it for fun. If he is not having fun, he should not do it. If he isn't getting what he paid for in his hobby, he shouldn't pay for it. Simple as that.

Edit: Also, by the way, I am 28 years old and I have been gaming since as far back as I can remember. I assure you, I am not part of the "new generation of gamer".

I was not saying the OP was wrong in his feelings. I was just saying that if he doesn't like how his hobby is going, move on.

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Again you fail to understand what we as gamers are. We don't see this is a hobby, we see this as part of who we are. Most of us have been playing computer games for over 20 years now.

Most of us want to enjoy what we pay for and of course there are things which can sometimes not work, but we paid for this product. Unfortunately under some laws within many countries you can no longer get a refund after 72 hours or within 2 weeks.

However if we wanted too the people here within the European Union could take this matter to the European Consumers Rights, which would pretty much fine Trion for a vast amount of money if they deemed their release to be a broken product and lied to their customers. Normally this results in everyone affected having a full refund and normally Trion being sued a couple of hundred thousand euros to anywhere within the millions.

So again stop being narrow minded about this whole situation and step into the shoes of a passionate gamer who wants the best out of the product they have paid for and want to continue using, but they are being slapped in the face by the people who sold them their game.

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Originally Posted by Fictional

To all the people replying with long winded responses about being patient or something....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8

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Ok I expected a rickroll but that was way better! XD

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Originally Posted by Doowi

Again you fail to understand what we as gamers are. We don't see this is a hobby, we still this as part of who we are. Most of us have been playing computer games for over 20 years now.

Most of us want to enjoy what we pay for and of course there are things which can sometimes not work, but we paid for this product. Unfortunately under some laws within many countries you can no longer get a refund after 72 hours or within 2 weeks.

However if we wanted too the people here within the European Union could take this matter to the European Consumers Rights, which would pretty much fine Trion for a vast amount of money if they deemed their release to be a broken product and lied to their customers. Normally this results in everyone affected having a full refund and normally Trion being sued from anyone to a couple of hundred thousand euros to anywhere within the millions.

So again stop being narrow minded about this whole situation and step into the shoes of a passionate gamer who wants the best out of the product they have paid for and want to continue using, but they are being slapped in the face by the people who sold them their game.

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I'm sorry, but you're just making too many assumptions. That is something I try to avoid in my posts, but you're entitled to make yourself look silly all you like.

Like I said, I have been gaming for like 25+ years in one way or another. I understand how important gaming is to those of us that take our gaming seriously. Unless you are being paid to game, it is not your profession. Since you spend a large amount of time doing it, and enjoy doing it, without being paid, it is your hobby. What you consider it as is of literally zero importance.

You're right, my post was ignorant in the sense that I did not take other countries laws into consideration when I made my post. Where I am from, if you are not delivered the product you were being told you were going to get (which obviously is largely open to interpretation), you can easily contact your credit card company and get a refund.

That said, I don't think you know what being "narrow minded" honestly means, because you are using it incorrectly. Good day though man, I don't see how this conversation can go much farther, constructively.

Well I will give my views on it as well...

To the OP...I do feel for you. I understand and agree with you on many of the bug issues even though I have not personally experienced half as many as you have. Note...Im not saying they are not there...just that I have not had them happen to me.

In all honesty Im surprised Trion has dropped the all as much as they have this early. But...I think at the same time people need to be a bit more patient. Your not paying a monthly for this game. Dont act like your on some ticking timebomb until your card gets charged or something. Yes....you paid $60ish like the rest of us.

Im willing to give Trion some time to work the problems out. If its not improved much by say...a month (so like 2 more weeks)...I will be more concerned. The game has been out 2 weeks. Its not time to call on the end of the world just yet.

On a related note....probably the thing that aggravates me the most is the voice comms and crappy chat UI on PC version.

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To all the people replying with long winded responses about being patient or something....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8

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Pity you aren't reading those long responses, they are quite valid. The game is new, a little over two weeks? Maybe three? Not sure off the top of my head. The fact it functions and you can play it is a marvel to MMO history. Being that it is a one of a kind MMO and they are balancing these patches to fix things on three different consoles, you have to be patient. You paid your 60, if you got more than 5 hours of gameplay then you got your money's worth in todays gaming age. See you later Ark Hunters!

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Originally Posted by JustinM19

Ok I expected a rickroll but that was way better! XD

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What you talking about..i was Rick Roll'ed!!!!

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Originally Posted by Fictional

To all the people replying with long winded responses about being patient or something....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8

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ROFL Awesome

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Originally Posted by Doowi

However if we wanted too the people here within the European Union could take this matter to the European Consumers Rights, which would pretty much fine Trion for a vast amount of money if they deemed their release to be a broken product and lied to their customers. Normally this results in everyone affected having a full refund and normally Trion being sued a couple of hundred thousand euros to anywhere within the millions.

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Can you please link me to where they lied to us?

I missed the announcement that there would be no bugs and 24/7 server uptime, I'd love to see it.

I have the same game as you.
I am enjoying myself and have experienced little, if any, of the problems you mention.
I have come across a few minor bugs but I have either worked around or learnt to live with them until patched.

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Originally Posted by KashraFall

Pity you aren't reading those long responses, they are quite valid. The game is new, a little over two weeks? Maybe three? Not sure off the top of my head. The fact it functions and you can play it is a marvel to MMO history. Being that it is a one of a kind MMO and they are balancing these patches to fix things on three different consoles, you have to be patient. You paid your 60, if you got more than 5 hours of gameplay then you got your money's worth in todays gaming age. See you later Ark Hunters!

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Really??? The fact that it even plays is a Marvel?? I know you wrote it, but cmon...you must have very low and simplae expectation in a game that your amazed a game even works...no my friend..your comment is a Marvel!

Oh..and this isnt one of a kind, its been done, no wait, being that this is a TPS, in comparison to other mmo types, id say the product was a bit dumbed down.

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Originally Posted by Seporator

Here we go again!! While i agree that there are many bugs to be fixed i think you are overreacting.

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Like many, many others on these forums.

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Originally Posted by Jestunhi

Can you please link me to where they lied to us?

I missed the announcement that there would be no bugs and 24/7 server uptime, I'd love to see it.

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Again this is based on the commission of the consumers rights and I'm not even going to contact them as Trion have yet to do anything as bad as Maxim with Simcity for example. However it was example of what can be done if the **** did indeed hit the fan.

No need to jump the gun ;)