ign gives the game a 5.9? are you kidding me...

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Originally Posted by RegularX

You find PvE a bore and PvP to be "respectable that goes a long way". Most of the game is PvE. The PvP is largely broken still. That just makes no sense at all.

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You're being obtuse. His list of problems with the game are accurate in regards to the PS3. What he finds boring or compelling is neither here nor there in regards to my own statement.But since we're talking about it, the fact that the PvE is quite boring more often than not, and some might find more to like in the PvP makes perfect sense. There are people that find the combat of PvP not as trite as the AI in PvE. Different stokes for different folks. You'd have to be out of your mind to even attempt to defend the lack of challenge this game offers.

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Originally Posted by Jonnina

This review is extremely bad for sales. I must admit had the ign review came out before launch I most definitely would have passed. I had just finished the masterpiece that was bioshock infinite to then jump to this...it doesnt take much to notice how bad this game is compared to other games out there. This game cost me more than bioshock infinite....


This game should not have been rushed to coincide with the tv show and been given more time. It looks worse than a mediocre beta

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Bioshock finished in 10 hrs...Defiance spent 92 hours game price about the same value wise defiance wins hands down

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Originally Posted by Dixa

hardly being a fanboy. i find the game boring right now but unlike you vehement trolls i'm reserving my final judgement until we've seen exactly what is in the paid dlc. only when i have seen the complete game will i voice my opinion on the complete game.

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That's a bit of a contradiction of terms, no?

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Originally Posted by Owlmassive

Bioshock finished in 10 hrs...Defiance spent 92 hours game price about the same value wise defiance wins hands down

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All MMOS win in comparison to single player games as far as content is concerned.

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Originally Posted by Owlmassive

Bioshock finished in 10 hrs...Defiance spent 92 hours game price about the same value wise defiance wins hands down

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You going to tell me you spent 92 hours in Defiance without repeating anything? Whoa, I am humbled.

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Originally Posted by IGears

lol really thats terrible. he judge the whole game just off that?

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Nope, basically his review boiled down to the shooting and the like is fun but the content is lacking considering after about 3 missions every other mission is an exact duplicate of them with different skins on the enemies who don't act differently. He doesn't consider cut and paste + new skin to be anything other than lazy content. Oh and tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of bugs.

Keep in mind he uses a true 1-10 scale with 5 = average game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZz_KKGpgfk

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Originally Posted by jnt

You going to tell me you spent 92 hours in Defiance without repeating anything? Whoa, I am humbled.

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No im saying for valuew wise as the previous comment had said that bio and defiance are 2 completley different games completley.. I had spent the money for bioshock finished it in 10 hours so i traded it for defiance and in my opinion the amount of hours ive enjoyed with it has been money well spent..

The game has flaws technical problems bugs and so on... But the developers are working hard already to address them... When i saw reviews on this game i heard all the usual crap of saying it's not worth the money... Only by people playing it and recommending it to me i took that chance and have experienced my first mmo..

But your comparing 2 completley different games as 1 now if you compared it to planetside then i would think you might have a case concidering there in the same catogrey

But i must add, tell me a game that doesnt get you to repeat what you have done before.... every game has repetition.

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Originally Posted by Owlmassive

But i must add, tell me a game that doesnt get you to repeat what you have done before.... every game has repetition.

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I think he was talking in terms of main story line. Defiance main missions take roughly the same time as Bioshocks campaign. And you can repeat the main campaign in both games as many times as you like to get value of your money.

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Originally Posted by Owlmassive

But i must add, tell me a game that doesnt get you to repeat what you have done before.... every game has repetition.

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You just answered your own question.

I'm not comparing any games btw. Slow down and check who you're replying to maybe?

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Originally Posted by Technodude

I think he was talking terms of main story line. Defiance main missions take roughly the same time as Bioshocks campaign. And you can repeat the main campaign in both games as many times as you like to get value of your money.

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Essentially.

Thats what happens when you don't pay or don't know a thing agout gaming

Too many people dont take games for what they are worth. Too many comparisons. I mean the guy in the review was comparing Defiance to World of Warcraft. Why? Because they are both massively multiplayer? One is a grindfest rpg whereas the other is a twitch based 3rd person shooter....

If Defiance can be compared to any other game of its kind that would be APB. And APB doesnt even have ANY PvE content. Taking Defiance for what it does good would net an 8.5 score in my books. But too many people focus on the negatives.

Defiance is about running around shooting stuff. And it does that VERY well.

Yeah they have not long added the replay option me myself have just being going round doing the side missions. My personal gripe with the game as it seems to be a trend with alot of them is the micro transactions but i put this to you Technodude...

How do i get my reputation up with the certain factions currently im at eco level of 408 with no reputation?!

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Originally Posted by Owlmassive

Yeah they have not long added the replay option me myself have just being going round doing the side missions. My personal gripe with the game as it seems to be a trend with alot of them is the micro transactions but i put this to you Technodude...

How do i get my reputation up with the certain factions currently im at eco level of 408 with no reputation?!

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You get reputation up by doing contracts. They open up once you hit ego 250 or 300 (not sure). That is the only way to raise factions and the contracts are random. Some are dailies while others are weekly.

Thank you for that as ive been upgrading weapons galore and doing all the other stuff and missed that stuff out,

Im interested to know how there going to do i cant remember the name of it but apparently things that happen in the show will have an effect in game and vise versa now to me thats a whole new concept to play around with and they have the balls to experiment with it.

I have to give this game the benfit of the doubt. I thought that IGN's review was a bit harsh, but they did make a few good points.

Shooter type games are all pretty repetivive, as there are only so many kinds of 'missions' that make any sense. However, I think that the missions in this game are just too similar. Shut off generators, or protect someone that is shutting off[or turning on] something. Go over there and clean out the undesirables. Help the poor folks that are captive. Pick up some 'samples' or other stuff from various locations. Rinse and repeat for the mutants, the raiders, the 99'ers, and the Dark Matter. Go do a silly boss fight.

Pretty common types that are in virtually all shooter PVE type of games. The fun stuff is tearing around the countryside in various vehicles, and just wandering about looking for random incidents to occur. Hoping that I won't have to confront a yet another Black Lung, my most hated enemy in the game. I can kill a Monarch a lot easier than the damn Black Lungs!

So the game has a definite 'fun factor' for me, and I like to have some fun in a game. I didn't have any real fun in Dark Souls, and had to go to therapy after that humiliating bloodbath. I think I still have bad dreams...

Anyway, game critics aside, this game will either stand or fall on the player base. We will have to wait and see what the players do as Trions adds content, fixes issues, and provides some DLC.

I plan on hanging around and seeing what happens.

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Originally Posted by Rend

You should actually read the review, and not just comment on the score.

In all honesty, he is right with what he´s writing about.

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And im pretty sure he only played 5minutes of the game, like he did with diablo3, surfed the forums for complaints for.another 5minutes, and wrote a review based on that.

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Originally Posted by Cyripax NeoPrime

And im pretty sure he only played 5minutes of the game, like he did with diablo3, surfed the forums for complaints for.another 5minutes, and wrote a review based on that.

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He played plenty.

Seems like a fair score to me. Mediocrity shouldn't be rewarded.

With all due respect to the few fanboys left out there, and dont get me wrong, I personally like the game, however with that being said, I feel that review is spot on. The game is repetitive, full of bugs, the graphics dont work correctly, and the content that is there can be blown through in a matter of a few hours. And now with the whole hack that someone made for the PC version, the games major redeeming quality is not worth playing anymore either.

I mean, when you look at it objectively, I really cant understand what makes this game even worth playing. What can you get from this game that you couldnt get from the host of other free-to-play MMOs out there? What kind of hook does this game possess that makes it worth coming back for after more then 2 days of play time?

Say what you will of IGN, I dont think too highly of them either, but that is in fact an accurate review. Personally, I think a 5.5 was being generous.

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Originally Posted by jnt

That's my point. Thanks! Inside those categories I don't have to treat them at all differently. I guess you could shoot a smelter in the back and set his tanks off. You could just as easily back up and kill them the same exact way you kill a cleaver.

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That's more of a problem that the game is too easy right now. If/when heroic/hard mode difficulty is added, then the differences will become relevant. Its just like in WoW how easy instances you simply pull all the mobs and AE them down, not paying attention to the mechanics, but when you play heroics you start having to interrupt effects, CC mobs, etc.

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Originally Posted by Dixa

just to put that review into perspective - anthony gallegos is the same guy that gave diablo 3 a 9.5 after only doing 3 acts of normal.

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I saw the review preview videos from the guy and he had made up his mind long before he started playing. He did the same for Diablo 3. Not exactly an objective reviewer.

That said, this game lacks "meaningful" content for something that wants people keep playing and it lacks polish in many many things which leads to some real frustration.

I wouldn't rate this game any higher than a 7.5/10. It would be an 8.5 if it had the polish hopefully it will achieve after some much needed patches.

People still treat IGN(orance) with legitimacy?

I'm waiting for when they kick the bucket and stop having such a poisonous effect on the legitimate gaming industry.
There are great games and developers who suffer because they didn't give IGN ransom to bribe them from intentionally writing a bad review.

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Originally Posted by Ramano

With all due respect to the few fanboys left out there, and dont get me wrong, I personally like the game, however with that being said, I feel that review is spot on. The game is repetitive, full of bugs, the graphics dont work correctly, and the content that is there can be blown through in a matter of a few hours. And now with the whole hack that someone made for the PC version, the games major redeeming quality is not worth playing anymore either.

I mean, when you look at it objectively, I really cant understand what makes this game even worth playing. What can you get from this game that you couldnt get from the host of other free-to-play MMOs out there? What kind of hook does this game possess that makes it worth coming back for after more then 2 days of play time?

Say what you will of IGN, I dont think too highly of them either, but that is in fact an accurate review. Personally, I think a 5.5 was being generous.

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Completely agree with this.

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Originally Posted by nitroz76

People still treat IGN(orance) with legitimacy?

I'm waiting for when they kick the bucket and stop having such a poisonous effect on the legitimate gaming industry.
There are great games and developers who suffer because they didn't give IGN ransom to bribe them from intentionally writing a bad review.

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So what about the countless other sites and people who give this game 5 or 6/10? IGN is just 1 of a handful of reviewers giving this game similar reviews.

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Originally Posted by Ramano

With all due respect to the few fanboys left out there, and dont get me wrong, I personally like the game, however with that being said, I feel that review is spot on. The game is repetitive, full of bugs, the graphics dont work correctly, and the content that is there can be blown through in a matter of a few hours. And now with the whole hack that someone made for the PC version, the games major redeeming quality is not worth playing anymore either.

I mean, when you look at it objectively, I really cant understand what makes this game even worth playing. What can you get from this game that you couldnt get from the host of other free-to-play MMOs out there? What kind of hook does this game possess that makes it worth coming back for after more then 2 days of play time?

Say what you will of IGN, I dont think too highly of them either, but that is in fact an accurate review. Personally, I think a 5.5 was being generous.

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I agree completely. In the game's current state, it truly doesn't deserve anything over a 5. IGN was in fact quite generous.

I should point out IGN gives rating based on the quality of Advertising revenue, so 5.9 means Trion didn't spend all that much putting ads on IGN.

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Originally Posted by gothicshark

I should point out IGN gives rating based on the quality of Advertising revenue, so 5.9 means Trion didn't spend all that much putting ads on IGN.

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Since they paid so much more for Rift ads, Trion must not have cared about reviews that much.

5.9 is an accurate score.
ign regained my faith when they did a review on operation racoon city.

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Originally Posted by Sozu

Too many people dont take games for what they are worth. Too many comparisons. I mean the guy in the review was comparing Defiance to World of Warcraft. Why? Because they are both massively multiplayer? One is a grindfest rpg whereas the other is a twitch based 3rd person shooter....

If Defiance can be compared to any other game of its kind that would be APB. And APB doesnt even have ANY PvE content. Taking Defiance for what it does good would net an 8.5 score in my books. But too many people focus on the negatives.

Defiance is about running around shooting stuff. And it does that VERY well.

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That was kind of my point way back in the thread, and what seems so ridiculous about it. He is comparing it to RPGs, he expects it to be identical to other RPGs he liked (WoW and SWTOR), but the game is not an RPG. Its a shooter with some RPG elements thrown in. Then he proceeds to complain about those elements, things which are standard in any MMO, including his favorites, like kill & fetch quests.

To make it even worse, he makes that complaint about the side missions & emergencies, yet at the same time talks about how much he enjoyed the main story and co-op missions. Hell I could be wrong, I doubt that I am, but I dont remember every single quest in WoW or SWTOR being wrapped in well done story, especially WoW, at least SWTOR did a bit better in that aspect. Oh, but Defiance didnt do that. Shame on Defiance.

I also found this pretty damn funny: "The absolute worst was when I hit a bugged one and had to abort and restart it in order to complete it (this occurred on PC, but as it and the PS3 version are so similar in content and the bugs are seemingly random we can’t rule out that it could happen here too"

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"The absolute worst was when I hit a bugged one and had to abort and restart it in order to complete it (this occurred on PC, but as it and the 360 version are so similar in content and the bugs are seemingly random we can’t rule out that it could happen here too)."

So... this is how reviews are being done. "Im playing on and doing a review for a different platform than the one I experienced a bugon, but Im going to go ahead and point out this bug (which I never even experienced in this version)"

So I guess we should expect to see that in any game? "Oh hey, its the same game, same content, so yeah sure lets just throw in bugs that may or may not exist. I havent actually experienced this bug, but lets just say it happened anyway."

Hell, Dark Souls PC port had a lot of bugs & performance / FPS issues. Well, wtf then. Lets just go ahead and say the console version might have too, even though I didnt see any of those issues when I played it on console!

Just idiotic.

BTW: Im not denying there have been bugs on any system or anything like that. Just pointing out how "legit" his reporting is with the whole "I dont know if this issue exists or not, but lets pretend it might and bring it up anyway" attitude. Shouldnt you be sticking to ACTUAL problems you have encountered, not made up things that you cannot confirm even happen?

TBH the entire thing really reeks of him perhaps playing the PC version, but neither the XBOX or PS3 version, simply copy and pasting the same review for all 3 versions, and then changing up a couple of sentences to match something he might have read on a forum somewhere about issues with each version.

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Originally Posted by Technodude

There are 14 other review sites which gave Defiance average scores.

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True, but he didn't say they didn't. He merely implied that IGN would not likely have followed suit had they received proper finial motivation. It isn't beyond the realm of reason and I think it has a high probability.

Unrelated to that post, I would like to say that I've played a little over a hundred hours now. Finished the story, which was engaging but poorly acted. I have done all the co-op maps several times, which get extremely repetitive. Likewise with the Arkfall events, although at least you have more people to compete with for damage done and kills etc. The contracts and Episode achievements are interesting and many are very difficult to complete, but there isn't much incentive to complete those apart from a little reputation and possibly an ingame title/outfit. Where the game shines most is in the pvp, but sadly I am not a pvper, so it holds little for me but has a lot of potential. All the pvp is done in the open world, but you are phased there once the requisite number of people have joined the queue. There are two game types; small scale(6v6, 8v8) TDM matches and large scale(64v64) capture 'n hold matches. Personally, i think they tried to incorporate too much. If they wanted pvp they should have their focus on pvp with pve as a thing to kill time between pvp matches. if the goal is stellar pve, then scrap the pvp and focus on what pertains most to pve. Trying to appeal to everyone is a foolish business decision with no longevity. A product of greedy hearts and simple minds.

I just hope they refine it into something worth continuing to play. As it is, the most entertaining portal into this world is the TV show, with the game being little more than a gimmick.

Post after post after post bashing on IGN to discredit the score they gave the game on their review. THERE ARE 20-30 OTHER SITES WITH REVIEWS ONLINE THAT ARE GIVING THE SAME SCORES!!!!!!!!

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That was kind of my point way back in the thread, and what seems so ridiculous about it. He is comparing it to RPGs, he expects it to be identical to other RPGs he liked (WoW and SWTOR), but the game is not an RPG. Its a shooter with some RPG elements thrown in. Then he proceeds to complain about those elements, things which are standard in any MMO, including his favorites, like kill & fetch quests.

To make it even worse, he makes that complaint about the side missions & emergencies, yet at the same time talks about how much he enjoyed the main story and co-op missions. Hell I could be wrong, I doubt that I am, but I dont remember every single quest in WoW or SWTOR being wrapped in well done story, especially WoW, at least SWTOR did a bit better in that aspect. Oh, but Defiance didnt do that. Shame on Defiance.

I also found this pretty damn funny: "The absolute worst was when I hit a bugged one and had to abort and restart it in order to complete it (this occurred on PC, but as it and the PS3 version are so similar in content and the bugs are seemingly random we can’t rule out that it could happen here too"

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"The absolute worst was when I hit a bugged one and had to abort and restart it in order to complete it (this occurred on PC, but as it and the 360 version are so similar in content and the bugs are seemingly random we can’t rule out that it could happen here too)."

So... this is how reviews are being done. "Im playing on and doing a review for a different platform than the one I experienced a bugon, but Im going to go ahead and point out this bug (which I never even experienced in this version)"

So I guess we should expect to see that in any game? "Oh hey, its the same game, same content, so yeah sure lets just throw in bugs that may or may not exist. I havent actually experienced this bug, but lets just say it happened anyway."

Hell, Dark Souls PC port had a lot of bugs & performance / FPS issues. Well, wtf then. Lets just go ahead and say the console version might have too, even though I didnt see any of those issues when I played it on console!

Just idiotic.

BTW: Im not denying there have been bugs on any system or anything like that. Just pointing out how "legit" his reporting is with the whole "I dont know if this issue exists or not, but lets pretend it might and bring it up anyway" attitude. Shouldnt you be sticking to ACTUAL problems you have encountered, not made up things that you cannot confirm even happen?

TBH the entire thing really reeks of him perhaps playing the PC version, but neither the XBOX or PS3 version, simply copy and pasting the same review for all 3 versions, and then changing up a couple of sentences to match something he might have read on a forum somewhere about issues with each version.

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I have been tring to say what you just said but nobody likes my run on crapy sentence s lol I try to write as good as I can and sometimes it does not come out as smooth as I would like lol .so true wow and swtor glorified fetch quest

ITT: White Knights try to pretend a mediocre game isn't mediocre.

read the review- i agree. i cant recomend this i ll recomend firefall or borderlands 2 before this.