This is a good point. The thing is to even put mmo on the box you need compelling group content. Defiance has none.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hycinthus
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This is a good point. The thing is to even put mmo on the box you need compelling group content. Defiance has none.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hycinthus
I would agree with this, from my experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sajin
it's a 7, with 9 potential.
that said, Professional game reviews, from any site/magazine, and regardless of how high or low, mean nothing to me anymore, and haven't for a long time.
I trust Demos, my Friends/Clan list, Player Ratings (from Gamefly, Raptr, Metacritic etc.). In that order.
If you're going to look at anything look atQuote:
Originally Posted by Gohlar
http://defiancenews.tumblr.com/post/...rby-a-survivor
It's the fake news thing I mentioned, but it's a "journal" of someone who was AT the battle for Defiance. It explains a lot about the game, the actual event and the Nolan, Torq and Jon Cooper characters.
Also get all the data recorders. :P
And yeah. GW2 story was a bit forgettable, but the sad truth is, the actual world is more interesting than the game makes you believe.
Ok thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by hardy83
And MMO standards are rough and tough these days with the MMO market being saturated. We all know what happened when FFXIV released with horrible UI and non existent content and copy paste environment, that failure of an MMO is single handedly bringing square enix down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gohlar
It's definitely a 7 right now. Putting in a global chat permanent resizable chat would bump it up to 7.5, city hubs would bump it up to 8. Better loot would bump it up to an 8.5. (better loot such as a more clear progression curve, synergy mods actually drop as loot and not found by pure RNG, unique weapons from bosses, a crafting system that goes beyond adding mods to weapons that you're going to trash soon anyway. Borderlands 2's badass endless level system would've worked perfect here.
i give it a 6 or a 7. id give swtor a 8, wow a 9 and gw2 a 10 xD but that's just me :p
I think that's a fair score. I've had fun with the game, but to say there aren't any problems is just silly. I'm sure Trion will work it out (I played Rift for about a year and a half) so I have faith it will get better.
WoW kept me trapped in a love/hate relationship for over seven years, but yes, I'd probably also give it a 9/10, though I'm glad I broke the habit. TOR, eh, I got bored before I had even used up my free time that came with the game. GW2, I got bored of after less than 30 hours. It was just more of the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xyr3s
I'd only give three games a 10/10: Ultima Online the way it was in 1997, Diablo 2, an Borderlands 2. Been sixteen years and I STILL miss UO.
Hmmm, a bit overly harsh imo. The game obviously has problems but its still a lot of fun.
GameSpot's review was better, they gave it a 6.5. I really liked how they summed it up:
"Defiance is the B movie of massively multiplayer games: rickety and unrefined, yet a good time all the same."
I'd give this a 7.5Quote:
Originally Posted by Xyr3s
TOR a 5
WoW 9
GW2 an 8.5
Rift an 8.5
:P I was REALLY disappointed with ToR as you see. lol
However if I was a reviewer, i would purposely do what I would call a "Launch review" and then 1-3 months down the road a "How's things now review" In which I may actually change the score of the game, as MMOs are a bit of different beast than other games and giving one a static store at launch isn't really fair to me.
IGN and accurate reviews do not go together well in the same sentence..
Well.. I may as well NOT give any review here in this thread, else I be reported again for pimp-slapping some whiner who's done nothing short of bad mouth this game since the first post he put up here, and followed that with bad mouthing anyone who's disagreed with him...
But hey... that's not me...
Frankly.. I say Defiance is a solid 7, maybe even a 7.5. The big detractor for me however in giving it a higher rating, is the totally borked chat system for PC, and the static UI. Fixing those two things, and Defiance is a solid 8.5 or 9 (depending on if they give the player control to adjust their UI to fit them).
As for the other games people are mentioning.. yeah.. I Alpha/Beta'd every one of them. I'm here, not there.. should tell you exactly how I rate the game and the community behind it.
I'm reading the PS3 version, which is what I am playing. And no - he is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rend
"Rare well-designed quests are overshadowed by a host of others that feel phoned in...."
The story quests = 10 hours of play, roughly. The coop quests, which are a fairly well designed - another 5. The rest is pretty run of the mill for the MMO genre. No, Defiance does not deserve a blue ribbon here, but it at worst it is cut rate average for the genre.
"and though the fundamentals of shooting are competent, weak enemy AI makes the PvE combat a bore"
I don't know what MMO's these guys have been playing. The fact that this game alone makes shooting feel like a real third person shooter is remarkable. EGO is the only thing with a timer clock. The last PS3 MMO that tried this (DCUO) - didn't come close to this level of feeling like a real "shooter" This is, if anything, one of Defiance's real strengths.
"Respectable PvP combat goes a long way"
WTF? Seriously? The PvP is OK - but ... it's pretty flawed at best. Weapons aren't balanced for it. The interesting side of it - Capture and Hold, is kind of broken at the moment. Basically, imo - I think Shadow Wars holds a lot of promise but only once matchmaking and instances can be consistent.
I seriously have no idea what game IGN is reviewing at this point.
"when the major performance issues rear their ugly head, it's not far enough to make Defiance a recommendable experience."
On the PS3, there have actually been few performance issues. Performance is not the problem. Lag is not the problem. It happens, it just is not the problem. The many, many, many bugs at launch is a big problem. It's a huge problem. It is the elephant in the room problem. Even if you take the "every MMO has bugs at launch" angle, it is still probably the number of bugs which are going make you start the conversation on potential Defiance flaws.
And where is IGN in their verdict on that? Nowhere. I don't know what it is about gaming media that forces them to do this weird contortionist act so that they don't have to acknowledge launch bugs - but there it is. This is the same group (with plenty of company) that gave Skryim rave reviews despite being technically flawed at launch for two out of three platforms. Or Fallout: New Vegas, which got barely a paragraph talking about how you might just possibly have to reboot your console multiple times just to get through a mission.
I don't hate IGN, but some of their reviews are kind fscked up. This is one of them.
Look, in its current form - Defiance is probably a 7/10. It is not a great game. I really like it - but it is certainly flawed. If I was generous, I would give it an 8 - but only on the promise for great added content down the road. But 5/10? Because the PVP was awesome and PVE sucked?
Seriously, that guy needs a new job.
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Originally Posted by Mivo
yea id give diablo 2 a 10 as well lol... but diablo 2 isnt a mmo :p it's more of a cop-op like borderlands xD
So Defiance review scores are the same as aliens colonial marines pretty much... wtf?
This game should of got a solid 4 in my opinion. Game is lacking in several areas....fun but it wont keep me playing for more then a few months. But that's just me.
Dont take anyone elses opinion on something unless they are a friend that knows your likes/dislikes rather well.
Examples would be...
review sites for games, **** em
Your friend tells you "This game is like this + this + this - these features + some new ****, you'll like it! Probably right...sometimes wrong, but not often...unless its THAT friend.
5.9 is a bit generous if you ask me. In its current state. :/
I'm always "THAT" friend...Quote:
Originally Posted by Insanityplea
The guy who got you to eat yellow snow...
The one who got you to lick that really cool looking red frog...
The one who told YOUR parents that it was your idea to stay out partying until 5am, no matter how many times I told you to stop drinking and get in the car.. (all while handing you more drinks)..
Yup.. I'm THAT friend I think :)
I've played Defiance for 77 hours now according to Steam. I've finished approximately 59 achievements and started working on finishing Episode 2 pursuits and just started to work on my co-op dungeon and pvp attachments.
Personally I think Defiance is a 6.5 ~ 7.0 game.
* It has a completely crap chat system that is borderline useless.
* It feels mostly like a single player game most of the time.
* It's promised episodic content has boiled down to little more than some pursuits each week.
* It has numerous bugs that make the game 'unfun' such as resetting stats etc.
* It is highly repetitive.
* No crafting, no base building, no clan building, no way to 'develop' the world. Essentially once you've done the last mission you are done. After that it's just grinding to finish achievements.
No, I'm sorry. By Epic's own standards if you use "fun" in the phrase, you're hitting at least a 5 - but probably a 7. Fun is the point of games.Quote:
Originally Posted by GodsofGravy
This game is a standard priced game. If you play it for months, you have gotten WAY more than your money's worth and it probably deserves a 9 at that point. Most games at this price, you're lucky to get a weekend.
I could care less about IGN's review. They gave MW3 a 9.5 didn't they? I like CoD and that was one of the worst games I have ever played. What I DON'T want to see is Trion panic about reviews and start making whole sale changes to the game to make it more like every other MMO.
if you recall, those same reviewers somehow managed to give SWTOR high scores, and awarded them MMORPG of the year.. regardless of the fact that to everybody who is not a sw fanatic, and a good majority of even those, saw it instantly as the failure it was, in every way...... no.. most of those big name review publishers are payed for scores.. Defiance isn't the best at this.. but it isn't the worst either... it should have come out with more base content, yes.. but the plans for much more content coming in scheduled tiers is a good thing. It should have had most, if not all of the issues the testers told them about fixed before launch, but.. unlike most other companies not only do they work hard and fast on fixes, but listen to the consumer and make the changes that the player really thinks will improve the game...
at launch.. I would rate this a 6.75 out of 10.. with room for improvement as a pc/ps3 game..
as an xbox game it really is on par, as far as how much content it came with and how difficult it is to get working...solid 8 for xbox.. because they really don't expect much more from their games to be honest..
lemme fix these ratings for you,Quote:
Originally Posted by hardy83
at launch:
TOR=1
WoW=8.5
GW2=6
Rift=9
Defiance=6.5+
Today:
Tor=1
WoW=4
GW2=3
Rift=9
Defiance=6.75
I base this on initial playability, replayability, amount and quality of content, challenge, customer service, audio/video advancement for the time, and several other factors.
I didn't like rating WOW soo high.. as every second I played it I missed the Challenge and true sense of adventure that came with EQ.. as far as today is concerned.. Rift is a very underadvertised gmae.. almost a hidden gem of an mmo really. They have shown the gaming world it's possible to have exceptionally polished graphics AND good gameplay in one setting, they have managed to take the best things of all the past MMO's we've enjoyed and mold them into a very enjoyable experience, one that doesn't hold your hand soo much. IMO.. they set the Bar on MMORPG for now..even in an age where the gamers seem to be getting a bit tired of that genre,
Other than your rating of WoW at launch, I'd have to agree with your ratings, and your assessment of Rift being a hidden gem. My question is.. did they make it f2p yet? I'd love to come back sometime, the game is really great, and I'd love to see what they've done with it now, since it's been oh.. about month 3 post launch since the last time I've played Rift.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirimon
Before patch: I would disagree!
After Patch: I think there being generous!
Worst release for xbox to date!
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Originally Posted by PseudoCool
nah.. no f2p.. I pay only $8 a month.. and get a few months in there every now and then... for costing less, and looking/playing 10x better than wow (with less hardware requirements) it's fantastic. Since I have been playing it nearly 2 years now.. there has been much.. many changes, many new things. It changes almost bi monthly in such a way it's hard for anything to get "old". I really wouldn't want to see it go f2p. They do things in there WoW and their players can only dream of. Not since private eq servers have I seen such numerous interactions from the GM's to the players.. they pop in all the time for some Q&A, ask of there is anything to fix or questions they need answered. They really do work hand in hand with the players to keep rift evolving. We welcome more players (but with the hopes they aren't some screaming xbox WoW players who want things handed to them and the only thing that matters is gearscore...).. one of the things I appreciate, is that the content, the really big hard stuff.. doesn't spell out what you must do in giant red letters.. you have to play it, and find out for yourself exactly how to do something.. and there are some really neat boss mechanics not done before. (I also lie that most of what people call add-ons for wow are part of the game.. and the other add-ons only enhance, not detract from it).
Everything you listed is why I think IGN was being generous!Quote:
Originally Posted by Resolute
sigh. swtor wasn't a failure by any stretch. it is to this day 2nd only to world of warcraft in the west. it failed as a raiding game, and raiders are a very vocal group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirimon
Sooo.. let me get this straight...
Resolute complains about everything that every other gamer has complained about with every other MMO's launch since right after UO.. and You think he's so exact that the IGN review was "generous"? Do I have that right?
no it's notQuote:
Originally Posted by Gohlar
planetside 2 is an mmo. think about it.
that's the thing with this ign reviewer - he doesnt actually get to the end of games he reviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by RIPPER
i believe i did mention his d3 review is based only on the first 3 acts of normal.
dark matter require tactics. run and gun and OOPS where did those 3 snipers come from *holds down E*
Yes I do!Quote:
Originally Posted by PseudoCool
There is no way that in any other MMO you can complete all the content in under a week of playing! Thats why! And after the patch it got even worse! Nerfed all the fun out of the game!
Dixa.. I think that depends on your definition of "failure". I think the game is a total failure, but a big part of that is the end game gear grind, the way the high level players play based on gear and not skill at all.. the cookie cutter mentality (anything outside the min/max is to be discarded, disrespected, and feared), and I find the game, overall, to be very repetitive. The missions are relatively the same based on each world (at least on Sith side). So to me.. the community makes SWTOR a failure. The game.. eh.. not so bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dixa
Problem we're seeing however.. is that we're starting to see the same things here. There are MANY who would rather see this game fail entirely than be successful, at least that's the impression they give. And then some.. "professional game critic" reviews the game and people listen to him.. which sad as it is to say, it's the truth.. and the game takes another slap. Then again.. this is the same guy who's over-rated just about every craptastic game in the last 5 years or so. Probably why there's a very vocal group on his page right now making sure people know his review is extremely off.
I found absolutely nothing wrong with his written review. I thought it was honest and accurate, and the complaints aren't anything we haven't seen mirrored by other players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueandwhite87
The score he gave it.. I would have to know more about the scoring system to know how he arrived at that number. But it's not going to change his feelings and comments in the review he wrote. The score is far less important to me than the comments by the author, and I felt the comments were spot on. The impact the very valid points he raised have on players as they experience them while playing the game will differ from person to person.
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Originally Posted by Dixa
they are not that hard. Frisco Doesnt have much content in it. once you get there it like 4 missions and 20 stop and drop side misssions. 2 side missions actually feel like real side missions!
Wow thought I'd NEVER say this but i agree with IGN's review...
Actually.. be definition.. MMO is Massively Multiplayer Online. Simply put.. a lot of people in one place doing something together. With that basic definition.. SecondLife is an MMO.. and guess what.. no quests.. no clan houses.. no "compelling group content"..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dixa
not unless the players make it :)
To be a good mmoRPG.. you need compelling group content. But Defiance isn't an mmoRPG.. not at all...
5.9 is pretty accurate for what it is at launch. It can get better with release of more content, success of show.