Remove EGO powers from PVP

I tried to defend it, but pvp just doesnt work (although shadow war isnt as bad as 6v6)

But thats the only way to really fix pvp.

The whole cloak / shotgun thing is ridiculous and nerfing sawed off shotguns didnt do anything but piss off pve'rs that already knew it sucked.

The only way i can see to fix it is just remove the powers, keep the perks obviously, but that would fix it.

lore wise call it ego interference or something i dont care, but seems like the only people enjoying pvp are the cloakers.

Well let the flames come.

Sounds like the quickest fix.

Have you tried shooting them in the face with overcharge? Seems to work for me!

I just ordered a pizza. Who wants some?

After trying shadow war for the event pursuit, I have to agree. All the powers are just silly in a PvP setting. When everyone has an I win button it gets incredibly dull very fast.

"Oh, you don't have your EGO ready, well you died without even having a chance"

"Used my ego power, now I gotta go sit in a corner till it's ready to have a chance again"

Not fun.

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Originally Posted by ChipNinja

Have you tried shooting them in the face with overcharge? Seems to work for me!

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Yes thats what i use and i get kills, but the system doesnt work, and if overhcarge wasnt in the pvp game you would still be able to kill people and have fun.

like i said remove ego powers, pvp would be a lot more fun. either that or make cloak work like most games where your not actually invisible, and once you fire you cant recloak for a while. its possibly the worst ive ever seen.

Fine, aint nobody getting my pizza.

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Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Fine, aint nobody getting my pizza.

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Keep your pizza, I'm eating kebab! OMNOMNOM

I agree. They should also remove any and all skills / spells from other MMOs and have everyone fight purely with auto attacks. Trion should also remove all weapons in the game and just give everyone the same standardized paintball gun. I dont like dying, nobody should have to die ever ad its unfair that different weapons are useful for different situations, therefore they are all OP and should be removed. I mean come on. There is absolutely no way whatsoever to counter anything.

While they're at it. I would also like Trion to remove the need to aim. Simply clicking should automatically hit everyone on my screen and within a 100m radius around me. Its not fair that some people are better at aiming than me. Having good aim and the ability to hit moving targets better than me is OP. They should remove it.

I also dont like having to move, or the fact that terrain / cover exists. Some people are better at moving behind cover and avoid being spotted / shot and taking out others from behind cover. Maps should be made up of everyone being inside a small room and we should all be legless. That way nobody can move / dodge or use anything for cover and people who are better at those things will have no advantage over those who arent.

While I personally agree that the balance between the ego powers is totally out of whack when it comes to pvp, I doubt they will ever be disabled for pvp, as they are a major part of the game.

I only hope trion can come up with a better fix for the shotgun/cloak combo, then "hey, lets nerf sawed-off!" The sawed of nerf changed nothing, it still instagibs, you just get a smaller number when doing it, that said the sawed-off was never the issue in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Warkaiser

I agree. They should also remove any and all skills / spells from other MMOs and have everyone fight purely with auto attacks. Trion should also remove all weapons in the game and just give everyone the same standardized paintball gun. Its unfair that different weapons are useful for different situations, therefore they are all OP and should be removed. I mean come on. There is absolutely no way whatsoever to counter anything.

While they're at it. I would also like Trion to remove the need to aim. Simply clicking should automatically hit everyone on my screen and within a 100m radius around me. Its not fair that some people are better at aiming than me. Having good aim and the ability to hit moving targets better than me is OP. They should remove it.

I also dont like having to move, or the fact that terrain / cover exists. Some people are better at moving behind cover and avoid being spotted / shot and taking out others from behind cover. Maps should be made up of everyone being inside a small room and we should all be legless. That way nobody can move / dodge or use anything for cover and people who are better at those things will have no advantage over those who arent.

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Yeah that was useful and a ridiculous over exaggeration. but always nice to see thing from ......"that" side of the spectrum.

Depends on the toppings.

Also shotguns seem to be a must for pvp battlegrounds.
If they want to balance it , just give everyone the same
Weapons , perks and ego powers :(

Seems like the less popular weapons and the ones that were
Not as efficient got nerfed and aren't effective anyway.

Despite the idea of having more evenness with weapon types
And mods despite level or ego rating pvp still seems seems to
Give benefit to a very small number of load out/builds , weapon
Types.

It was a nice Attempt but op weapon/build > skill.

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Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Fine, aint nobody getting my pizza.

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I suppose all gone by now? I am late to the thread! :(

I would have to agree though. Removing the Ego powers does actually sound like a good idea lol :P

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Originally Posted by Warlander

Yes thats what i use and i get kills, but the system doesnt work, and if overhcarge wasnt in the pvp game you would still be able to kill people and have fun.

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Yes, just like if there were ego powers, you would still be able to get kills and have fun.

Cloak doesn't ruin it. Do a lot of people use it? Sure. Do they recloak after shooting? Yes, if you didn't light em on fire. But guess what, when their cloak runs out they're SOL. Rush em, Overcharge em, or just plain frag them. Pretty much any standard shooter response will work.

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Originally Posted by ChipNinja

Yes, just like if there were ego powers, you would still be able to get kills and have fun.

Cloak doesn't ruin it. Do a lot of people use it? Sure. Do they recloak after shooting? Yes, if you didn't light em on fire. But guess what, when their cloak runs out they're SOL. Rush em, Overcharge em, or just plain frag them. Pretty much any standard shooter response will work.

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Im starting to think you havnt played pvp more than once or twice, because you sound EXACTLY like me a week ago when i was laughing at people complaining about it then, but then i actually had to play a bunch for completing pursuits and i saw how completely messed up it was.

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Originally Posted by Warlander

Yeah that was useful and a ridiculous over exaggeration. but always nice to see thing from ......"that" side of the spectrum.

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You call complaining about things that make others able to be more effective at killing than me (same thing you complained about) a ridiculous exaggeration?

Maybe you missed the point in that entire thing. Well The 2 main points. 1) Learn to counter it, there are several ways and 2) crying that things should be removed because you lack the knowledge / skill required to do #1 does not constitute a need to remove something from a game.

Someone will always have an advantage in PvP. Otherwise nobody would ever win. Learning to take advantage of certain strengths and weakness and utilize different tactics / methods of countering the enemy is a good way to gain said advantage.

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Originally Posted by Huckleberry

I just ordered a pizza. Who wants some?

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Woo! Pizza!

I'll bring the beers!

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Originally Posted by Warkaiser

You call complaining about things that make others able to be more effective at killing than me (same thing you complained about) a ridiculous exaggeration?

Maybe you missed the point in that entire thing. Well The 2 main points. 1) Learn to counter it, there are several ways and 2) crying that things should be removed because you lack the knowledge / skill required to do #1 does not constitute a need to remove something from a game.

Someone will always have an advantage in PvP. Otherwise nobody would ever win. Learning to take advantage of certain strengths and weakness and utilize different tactics / methods of countering the enemy is a good way to gain said advantage.

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Yeah im going to group you with the other guy here and say you havnt done much pvp, ive been pvping since pong, dont talk to me about tactics, i can hold my own pretty well in the pvp here, this isnt about my abilities its about a overall broken system, and judging by how long it actually takes to get into matches, aint no body playin the broken *** pvp, not one person in my guild does it any more.

But dont worry im sure there metrics are telling them its not working, and im sure they will fix something, im just providing a all around fix that in the end would go a long ways to help.

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Originally Posted by sarin

woo! Pizza!

I'll bring the beers!

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i got the chips!! And burgers!!!

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Originally Posted by Warlander

Yeah im going to group you with the other guy here and say you havnt done much pvp, ive been pvping since pong, dont talk to me about tactics

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Nice name drop. Then you should know that everyone has their own game they're good at... and they naturally like some better than others.

You don't like PvP here because you don't like the powers. Cool. More power to you. Doesn't mean that others don't enjoy it how it is. Simply because you dislike it doesn't mean it is broken.

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Originally Posted by ChipNinja

Yes, just like if there were ego powers, you would still be able to get kills and have fun.

Cloak doesn't ruin it. Do a lot of people use it? Sure. Do they recloak after shooting? Yes, if you didn't light em on fire. But guess what, when their cloak runs out they're SOL. Rush em, Overcharge em, or just plain frag them. Pretty much any standard shooter response will work.

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hey chip this seems like a good tactic but what do you do when you get a premade group of all cloak shotty builds? cause i have heard this is happenign alot in PVP

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Originally Posted by demonichatered

hey chip this seems like a good tactic but what do you do when you get a premade group of all cloak shotty builds? cause i have heard this is happenign alot in PVP

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My last match tonight was ALL cloakers, i think i was the only one in the entire match that wasnt cloaked , thats what brought me here, its definately happening.
But it did make for some wierd dynamic, watching a guy decloak and then get chain killed by another guy decloaking etc .

I think they should try it for a week or so because at the moment, people are just fed up with it. It's not just cloak either, OC is silly as well and blur + the shield ignoring stuff from perks that work while blur is active makes PvP just constant insta-killing. It's not fun, it's not "strategic" and it most certainly isn't exciting to keep running from the spawn point.

Cloak is quite OP tbh, if you have a playstyle for instance, that was overcharge and a shotgun you are severly gimping yourself. Overcharge gets a 30% damage increase each shot, but cloak has a perk that does that when cloaked and you have an added bonus of going invisible and regenerating your shield. Why should that power have the same dps for one shot and then be able to hide, heal itself and do the extra damage of another power again.

As said in another thread where i replied lets just nerf it all shall we.

I mean they nerfed infecters (still play with it and hf) and shots .Seems ppl arent satisfied and we
need to nerf more.Lets just have fistfights only in pvp.

Sigh.

Yes i use cloak and shotgun,no i dont sit in a corner when my ego is down,i kill 9 out of 10 shotguncloakies.

When i get killed it is ussually a lmg/sniper player not even the shotgun cloakie, use you reaction and wsad.
+yes even without shot and infec i get decent scores,besides that my blur is almost full and ill switch to that then.

And like chip says use fire for cloakies when ige thit with fire you ll see me go right in your face or run around the corner rolling on the floor like crazy.

The sentence cloak and hotgun =op is gettn boring.

Why not talk about rocketjumpers now thats anoying as hell.That and scriptusers thats the only 2 things in pvp that bother me for the rest its fine.

Well, I seem to get on fine with overcharge and my LMG, they don't seem to last 2 seconds lol.

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Originally Posted by demonichatered

hey chip this seems like a good tactic but what do you do when you get a premade group of all cloak shotty builds? cause i have heard this is happenign alot in PVP

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Adapt and overcome. I pretty much only use fire in PvP and almost always roll SMG/AR and LMG. Maybe it's just how I play, I dunno. Keep moving, and if you notice a pattern exploit it. Don't really know what else to say. I'll admit, there are times it doesn't work out, but that's part of the game... you can't always be on top. Regardless of the game, there's always someone that uses lame tactics. No scoping, spawn camping, etc. No matter how you patch the game, there will be a new one. Removing powers isn't the answer.

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Originally Posted by Warkaiser

I agree. They should also remove any and all skills / spells from other MMOs and have everyone fight purely with auto attacks. Trion should also remove all weapons in the game and just give everyone the same standardized paintball gun. I dont like dying, nobody should have to die ever ad its unfair that different weapons are useful for different situations, therefore they are all OP and should be removed. I mean come on. There is absolutely no way whatsoever to counter anything.

While they're at it. I would also like Trion to remove the need to aim. Simply clicking should automatically hit everyone on my screen and within a 100m radius around me. Its not fair that some people are better at aiming than me. Having good aim and the ability to hit moving targets better than me is OP. They should remove it.

I also dont like having to move, or the fact that terrain / cover exists. Some people are better at moving behind cover and avoid being spotted / shot and taking out others from behind cover. Maps should be made up of everyone being inside a small room and we should all be legless. That way nobody can move / dodge or use anything for cover and people who are better at those things will have no advantage over those who arent.

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Dude seriously? Paintball guns and nobody dying? Im not sure if you checked the rating on this game but it clearly states that the game is rated M for MATURE. Furthr more, i dont know what kind of shooting games or whatever kind of games you play where there is no room to move around, dodge, take cover, etc but please go back to whatever game it was because we dont need or want players like you in Defiance and in any other games because that doesnt make any sense at all. AUTO AIMING? thats not needed, learn to aim, and stop complaining about how other people are better than you, theres a saying i always go by in real life and videogames, you either get good or get beasted, the choice is yours and you decide. As far as the EGO powers go, its whatever i use cloak but i use assult rifle and sniper rifle and it gets the job done, and i always take down a shot gun person using cloak, its so easy but imma let you figure it out how. Last i dont care if this post of yours was ment to be funny or if you were just joking, your post all together was a joke.

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Originally Posted by WorldBreaker

Dude seriously? Paintball guns and nobody dying? Im not sure if you checked the rating on this game but it clearly states that the game is rated M for MATURE. Furthr more, i dont know what kind of shooting games or whatever kind of games you play where there is no room to move around, dodge, take cover, etc but please go back to whatever game it was because we dont need or want players like you in Defiance and in any other games because that doesnt make any sense at all. AUTO AIMING? thats not needed, learn to aim, and stop complaining about how other people are better than you, theres a saying i always go by in real life and videogames, you either get good or get beasted, the choice is yours and you decide. As far as the EGO powers go, its whatever i use cloak but i use assult rifle and sniper rifle and it gets the job done, and i always take down a shot gun person using cloak, its so easy but imma let you figure it out how. Last i dont care if this post of yours was ment to be funny or if you were just joking, your post all together was a joke.

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Clearly the sarcasm was completely over your head....

If they remove powers, you all crying babies will stop play this game, cuz you realize there is not so big problems with the powers ,but in yours play style, weapons from loot.... and many many others things that you cant imagine.

Fast proof?---- WorldBreaker post.
shame,and face palm. How people intend to achieve something if they even can't read with some understanding ?

I frag with cloak something around max 4 frags in one round, from about 10 frags or more at the end of match. So cloak and shot gun isn't primary frag maker in this game, and if some one use cloak only for frag maker cheap machine It will be sooner or later fraged too, or just get bored.

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Originally Posted by Warkaiser

I agree. They should also remove any and all skills / spells from other MMOs and have everyone fight purely with auto attacks. Trion should also remove all weapons in the game and just give everyone the same standardized paintball gun. I dont like dying, nobody should have to die ever ad its unfair that different weapons are useful for different situations, therefore they are all OP and should be removed. I mean come on. There is absolutely no way whatsoever to counter anything.

While they're at it. I would also like Trion to remove the need to aim. Simply clicking should automatically hit everyone on my screen and within a 100m radius around me. Its not fair that some people are better at aiming than me. Having good aim and the ability to hit moving targets better than me is OP. They should remove it.

I also dont like having to move, or the fact that terrain / cover exists. Some people are better at moving behind cover and avoid being spotted / shot and taking out others from behind cover. Maps should be made up of everyone being inside a small room and we should all be legless. That way nobody can move / dodge or use anything for cover and people who are better at those things will have no advantage over those who arent.

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Seems alright to me...How about everybody gets a flint-lock rifle with ungodly bloom/acc, they all stand in a single rank line and FIRE!

+1 supporting now power in pvp. Keep the perks for some "build" variation but none of the big 4 powers.

With some mini nuke auto lock insta kill master blaster :D but with out powers

So using stealth and sawn-offs is bad form, I take it?

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Originally Posted by Warlander

I tried to defend it, but pvp just doesnt work (although shadow war isnt as bad as 6v6)

But thats the only way to really fix pvp.

The whole cloak / shotgun thing is ridiculous and nerfing sawed off shotguns didnt do anything but piss off pve'rs that already knew it sucked.
The only way i can see to fix it is just remove the powers, keep the perks obviously, but that would fix it.

lore wise call it ego interference or something i dont care, but seems like the only people enjoying pvp are the cloakers.

Well let the flames come.

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Thats identically what I suggested in a thread I started over a week ago called "CLOAK AND SHOTGUNS" and I got my head chewed off. I had 3main bullet points and that was the second one I beleive. Remove the powers and all direct effect perks. And leave the other perks. They didnt agree with me all so much. Good luck with that though.

I am all for balance but of course people are not going to agree to remove a key component of their character from the game. I will admit I have not done much pvp yet but from my understanding it is 1) the envirnment (close quarters = shotty good!) and 2) the simple fact that some things are just better than others (can't see me...you dead!). Really any game that is skill based (you have to aim) and includes firearms is going to have a fast paced, easy death pvp. It is part of its overall design.

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Originally Posted by Warkaiser

I agree. They should also remove any and all skills / spells from other MMOs and have everyone fight purely with auto attacks. Trion should also remove all weapons in the game and just give everyone the same standardized paintball gun. I dont like dying, nobody should have to die ever ad its unfair that different weapons are useful for different situations, therefore they are all OP and should be removed. I mean come on. There is absolutely no way whatsoever to counter anything.

While they're at it. I would also like Trion to remove the need to aim. Simply clicking should automatically hit everyone on my screen and within a 100m radius around me. Its not fair that some people are better at aiming than me. Having good aim and the ability to hit moving targets better than me is OP. They should remove it.

I also dont like having to move, or the fact that terrain / cover exists. Some people are better at moving behind cover and avoid being spotted / shot and taking out others from behind cover. Maps should be made up of everyone being inside a small room and we should all be legless. That way nobody can move / dodge or use anything for cover and people who are better at those things will have no advantage over those who arent.

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no need to be a knobgobbler about it =/

The most prudent choice would be to have a powerless pvp variant that just used your perks. I don't mind pvp with powers, but cloak and blur pretty much trump everything else

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Originally Posted by Lockheart

The most prudent choice would be to have a powerless pvp variant that just used your perks. I don't mind pvp with powers, but cloak and blur pretty much trump everything else

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Thats a good idea, sorta like Legends mode in DC.

What really bugs me about all the post like this is that there are perks that detect cloaked players but no-one can ever be bothered to use them because they want to play with overpower... well at the end of the day it's your choice how you play just as it is others on how they play.

Don't whinge and moan and cry up a storm in a tea cup just because this isn't like all the other games out there, just because things are different, because you don't like it , and you aren't willing to use skills that are implemented in the game but you just cba to try them because. Yep decoy means you can teleport from one location to another and track cloaked enemies.. shtako like that is so useless...