This game would have been a success if they left out pvp

PvP is fine, balancing PvE around PvP is not. If they continue to do so they will probably drive away some of the playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Warkaiser

If there was no PvP neither I or anyone I know would have even considered buying this game. If I want a PvE experience Ill go buy a single player game that actually offers excellent content, story, and smoother mechanics, typically far greater than anything offered in any MMO.

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you and your friends are in the minority. and i would have no problem with that, except the pve caters to the pvp.

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Originally Posted by Facade

PvP is fine, balancing PvE around PvP is not. If they continue to do so they will probably drive away some of the playerbase.

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This.. i want the game to be succesful.. but it shouldnt be built around pvp given that its sub par. the pve could stand on its own. the pvp would crumble on its own

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Originally Posted by Babbz

you and your friends are in the minority. and i would have no problem with that, except the pve caters to the pvp.

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You know for a fact he is in the minority? B.c everything I see says different.

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Originally Posted by duction

Just don't play it

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^<~~ defender of the pooh

It's seriously needed to serve either pve or pvp, but you can't do both with the same recipe. For example these shotguns. Mobs don't start crying if they're being one-shot from point blank range using stealth to reach these. They compensate the loss of one of their team by having five another. You need to reload your saw-off gun still. Mobs don't cry if they're locked from far away for infectors.

Only players do. And because they do, then the weapons got nerfed. Yeah, infector is now like melee weapon. But your fists do more damage even without Blur. Shotguns won't work that good either.

So only generic weapons, no innovation and definitely kills requiring multiple shots.

I just took babbz out of PvP and it went fine. I think I found the problem ;)

This game is a success already.

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Originally Posted by Ngamok

PvP didn't ruin this game, what are you talking about. "I feel like the whole game mechanic is focused on pvp" Really? The type of game itself lends to PvP being implemented easily, but not focused on it. You can take any shooter type game out there and turn it into PvP really easy because of guns and aiming. Why do you think Halo, CoD, BF games do so well.[/QUO

because my guns from the call of duty campaign don't Cary over to multiplayer.
in defiance the guns you earn cary over to pvp. so the guns cant be "over balanced" which hinders the pve.
pvp caters to a minority in most games. aside from those listed above. ex. assassins creed, mass effect, dead space. ect. and i would put defiance into that category. so why adjust the core of the game to favor pvp?

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It's a good thing that your guns from CoD single player don't carry over to PvP because they would be useless.

I agree with the OP to a certain degree, PvP has caused some problems in the PvE environment specially when its so lopsided with cloaker+shottie users all over the place and if you go in there with an AR/Sniper+Decoy your **** out of luck but im expecting this will be fixed and then i will bother with PvP.