Who else has quit this game?

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Originally Posted by Omychakra

Not nearly as funny as the fact that you're blind, slow, and incapable of reading that I haven't quit! Spitting milk out of my nose over that ;)

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OK, so what is your /played in the game. How many hours have you spent in this game where there is "so little to do".

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Originally Posted by Omychakra

Not nearly as funny as the fact that you're blind, slow, and incapable of reading that I haven't quit! Spitting milk out of my nose over that ;)

Angeleus, I'll keep this one shorter (Just a bit), I didn't want to continue but I'll respond.

This is a short MMO, there is incredibly little to do, and the lack of end game will absolutely hurt its longevity. Those are facts - not opinions. Some are capable of enjoying the experience despite that - I'm clearly on the fence. You've spoken against multiple characters, variety in gameplay (Which is what multiple classes ENCOURAGES, variety in gameplay. If you think switching from cloak to blur is genuine variety, you're simply naive), you've spoken against end-game raids, end-game tier loot, progression in characters, etc.etc. fair enough man, to each his own. But the fact is the only few MMOs that ever truly reached commercial success did so for a reason - Because they offered all those things. Those things give a game longevity and replay value, Defiance has none of either.

I've had a blast playing Defiance because I do so in incredibly small dosages. I'm still at what I'd compare to "leveling up" in WoW. The difference is, thats ALL Defiance offers. There is no other world that opens up when you reach a certain level (max level in any other MMO). Theres the story you play as you level and the sidequests along the way (Like every MMO in existence), but then theres zero, nothingness, an open world full of useless empty space. keep repeating the same arkfalls for the same rewards you acquired at level 1 or doing the same PVP you did at lvl 1. Nothing changes, there are no fresh unique experiences to enjoy as you progress farther into the game. This is a bare-bones experience, and I again say kudos to all who truly love it, but this games lack of content will more than reflect in its utter lack of player base in due time. WoW is by far the most successful game ever because of unlimited replay value. They will make phenomenal profit on this game because of the utter lack of development behind it, the lack of resources put towards improving it, and because of their store. But commercially, by the numbers, I feel this game will fail. If it does, it can't really be defended that they shot themselves in the foot via poor design decisions. So lets wait and see how this community develops but I don't see Defiance growing much more at all. Its difficult to work your way out of the horrendous reputation this game has already adopted in the area of technical performance and end-game content. Those things turn off too many MMO fans.



If the player base isn't there (Which obviously remains to be determined, this game sold a lot early based on hype but few players got the experience they expected), thats actually exactly what it means. Lets see how this plays out.

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I pretty much agree with all of this, people keep telling me but it's not an mmorpg, if that is the case why is there a perk based system, why is there varying levels of loot (There isnt really, but orange is awesome right?) If Trion just wanted this game as a mmotps then why not just have one of each weapon, after all it's the shooting all you guys like right? For the rest of us we enjoy seeing our toons develop, get stronger as we play, not play for hours on end just to be the same as when you started. Before anyone comes in with the weapon system is to keep PvP balanced, not all of us enjoy PvP. They should be two completely different modes entirely.

Why are you making such dumb, irrelevant comments that you could answer yourself by actually reading my posts? If they're too long, thats okay, but why do you read the first sentence and then make some silly instigating comment that you could avoid if you simply read the rest of the post? Thats just senseless, and very annoying. Read all or don't bother replying to me - Others are at least providing interesting food for thought while you just chomp at the bits to defend the game like a fanboy.

To REPEAT myself, I play this game still because I do so in incredibly small doses. Hour a day, tops. I'll do an arkfall or two and a story mission or two and I'll put it away because I know I have a VERY limited amount of content to eat up. I don't want to hate this game, despite what you want to believe. I'm trying to tackle it as slowly as possible so I might still be around if they do ever actually fix the incredibly long list of technical issues and add more content. If I played this game like I played WoW early, I know for an absolute fact that by now (About 11 days after I purchased it), I would have done all the content the game has to offer with nothing to strive or work towards. I would log on to do Arkfalls for no reason because the resources, mods, and gear acquired has no stage to shine. Theres nothing to do with any of it except take it into PVP and watch a low level player with a white rocket perform almost just as well as you in your oranges. Its not "balanced," it simply lazy.

2% of all Vanilla wow players completed all end game content before the expansion. The other 6 million spent hundreds (Or thousands) of hours having the time of their life trying. There is no positive to an MMO with no end game - Only lame justifications to excuse rushing an unfinished product. Nothing you enjoy about the game would change at all with end game content - Not one single thing. A game with so much potential skill involved that doesn't give players anything to use that skill on (Except eachother in PVP) feels like a tragic waste. End game could be so fun in Defiance. If loot stays horizontal, how would it affect you at all? Its entirely senseless for anyone to say Defiance doesn't need an end game. Its beyond mandatory and will be the deciding factor in whether or not the game ever gets a hardcore following.

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Originally Posted by nosworc

I pretty much agree with all of this, people keep telling me but it's not an mmorpg, if that is the case why is there a perk based system, why is there varying levels of loot (There isnt really, but orange is awesome right?) If Trion just wanted this game as a mmotps then why not just have one of each weapon, after all it's the shooting all you guys like right? For the rest of us we enjoy seeing our toons develop, get stronger as we play, not play for hours on end just to be the same as when you started. Before anyone comes in with the weapon system is to keep PvP balanced, not all of us enjoy PvP. They should be two completely different modes entirely.

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Yeah, sorry - I still don't get this. At ~700 EGO I certainly feel stronger than at ~1. It certainly doesn't feel like it did when I first started.

I think the WoW players just want WoW. With guns. That's not this game. Don't like it? Wait for WoW. With guns. Surely it will happen for you.

Course it also seems like all these people "quitting" the game because it is so "boring": a) are still on these forums day after day after day and b) I'm willing to bet are close to clocking around 100 hours in the game.

Lots of glutton for punishment it seems.

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Originally Posted by Omychakra

Why are you making such dumb, irrelevant comments that you could answer yourself by actually reading my posts? If they're too long, thats okay, but why do you read the first sentence and then make some silly instigating comment that you could avoid if you simply read the rest of the post? Thats just senseless, and very annoying. Read all or don't bother replying to me - Others are at least providing interesting food for thought while you just chomp at the bits to defend the game like a fanboy.

To REPEAT myself, I play this game still because I do so in incredibly small doses. Hour a day, tops. I'll do an arkfall or two and a story mission or two and I'll put it away because I know I have a VERY limited amount of content to eat up. I don't want to hate this game, despite what you want to believe. I'm trying to tackle it as slowly as possible so I might still be around if they do ever actually fix the incredibly long list of technical issues and add more content. If I played this game like I played WoW early, I know for an absolute fact that by now (About 11 days after I purchased it), I would have done all the content the game has to offer with nothing to strive or work towards. I would log on to do Arkfalls for no reason because the resources, mods, and gear acquired has no stage to shine. Theres nothing to do with any of it except take it into PVP and watch a low level player with a white rocket perform almost just as well as you in your oranges. Its not "balanced," it simply lazy.

2% of all Vanilla wow players completed all available content in game. The other 6 million spent hundreds (Or thousands) of hours having the time of their life trying. There is no positive to an MMO with no end game - Only lame justifications to excuse rushing an unfinished product.

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Sorry, you talking to me? I asked a simple question. You didn't answer.

I've been playing this game since release day and i haven't played anything else since. I'm on it since morning until late hours into the night, hell even sometimes with no sleep. I've finished the main story along with all side quests and I'm not bored of the game. Farming for Keycodes, working on pursuits, recruiting new members, getting my friends to buy the game and hell even work on my alts from time to time. Cause i know at the end of the day that some MMO will start off slow and some with huge amounts of content. Guild Wars 2 being an example of no end game content and was easy to breeze through it. Defiance feels like that. Were as WOW is a huge game thats all about the content and expansion packs. Yet look at how Guild Wars 2 is dealing with its fans to keep them into the game. Every month new content gets added. This game will do the same and even more so with the TV show going on behind the game. So its a slow start with content but will pick up and when it does. People will adapt to it.

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Originally Posted by RegularX

Yeah, sorry - I still don't get this. At ~700 EGO I certainly feel stronger than at ~1. It certainly doesn't feel like it did when I first started.

I think the WoW players just want WoW. With guns. That's not this game. Don't like it? Wait for WoW. With guns. Surely it will happen for you.

Course it also seems like all these people "quitting" the game because it is so "boring": a) are still on these forums day after day after day and b) I'm willing to bet are close to clocking around 100 hours in the game.

Lots of glutton for punishment it seems.

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I'm not asking for WoW with guns, all im asking for is Trion are going to put mmorpg elements into the game don't do a half assed job about it. Either do it properly or don't do it at all, I enjoyed Dcuo when it was first released, why, because my toon developed as i played the game.
Weapons don't matter in this, i can beat the whole game with a white weapon and have no problems, so what is the point in it being in the game?

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Originally Posted by nosworc

I'm not asking for WoW with guns, all im asking for is Trion are going to put mmorpg elements into the game don't do a half assed job about it. Either do it properly or don't do it at all, I enjoyed Dcuo when it was first released, why, because my toon developed as i played the game.
Weapons don't matter in this, i can beat the whole game with a white weapon and have no problems, so what is the point in it being in the game?

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You guys are really hung up on this whole "beat the whole game" routine, aren't you?

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Originally Posted by RegularX

You guys are really hung up on this whole "beat the whole game" routine, aren't you?

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Sorry, let me explain it more then...... I can complete every main mission and every side quest mission with a white starter weapon. So again, what is the point?

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Sorry, you talking to me? I asked a simple question. You didn't answer.

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I suppose in the absence of a logical mind, one simply reverts to acting like a pest. A simple question is not what you asked, you're instigating like a fanboy troll who refuses to accept there may be an argument to be made against this game. The funny thing is, you haven't made any arguments back. Haven't made a good point. Just acting snide and condescending towards others and implying 100 hours spent on an MMO means we must love it? Do you know how little 100 hours is for an MMO? Any MMO that fails to drain at least 1000 out of somebody before they quit essentially failed. No one said this game doesn't have 100 hours of solid content as you progress through the story, side quests, and arkfalls along the way. 100 hours is as long as I want my Final Fantasy games and other single player RPG. An MMO should command thousands of hours

You might get people more anxious to answer your questions if they weren't shrouded in a veil of irrelevant stupidity, and so clearly designed to inspire another troll remark like "lolol then why do you play it if you hate it." Stop being a child. Your elementary school teacher was wrong, you can ask dumb questions (Based on your limited reading comprehension you might not be there yet, actually), and are doing so right now.

Lets see if you made it this far down the post, troll. My time played is 67 hours. Please entertain me with a senseless conclusion you'd like to draw based on that number, even though I've said endlessly I don't hate this game at all! But thats okay, it would be silly for me to expect you to stop being childish and start comprehending things correctly at this point.

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You guys are really hung up on this whole "beat the whole game" routine, aren't you?

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:lol: Trion must love fans like you. You're the polar opposite of the hater troll. You're a fanboy troll. Blind to facts, ignorant to logic, senselessly in favor of a clearly inferior product (How many good games score out in the 5's on IGN, a notoriously generous grading scale). You're truly an asset to any game developer hoping to cash in on naive fans with unreasonably low standards.

My 60 is already spent. I'm simply providing whatever input I feel might, by some faraway unlikely chance, help me get more value for that 60.