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Why do we, The Humans, the true children of earth, allow these Aliens to live among us, to share our world which they destroyed, to live when so many Humans died.
This is our World, our Eden, Our Paradise and we should not share it with the Alien Filth any longer.
Rise my fellow Humans, Rise Up and Fight, wipe out the Aliens that spreads across our planet like a Plague, clean our world of this Evil.
Free Earth, Free Humanity
That attitude led to war.
I am not opposed to to Votan immigrants, but strongly opposed to the invasive species of plants and animals they bring. We all need to do our part and burn down Votan flora, and fauna. Each of us, Human and Votan alike, needs to replant native Earth plants, and protect the few remaining native animals. The terraforming and war are the most irresponsible things our leaderships could have done to this planet. Also, why the Votans didn't terraform Mars is beyond my grasp of understanding, ****, humanity would have thanked them.
Defiance, and all that :D
It's not our world anymore. And it's not the Votan world. It's an alien world for both. And to survive, we must work together.
Also, since about 3/4 of both Votan and Human died, there is plenty of room for everyone, we don't need to fight for it.
There is a theory about Mars being unable to sustain an atmosphere heavier than the one the planet have. I've seen it some years ago, they said the planet core is slowly stopping, and it is the reason it lost a big part of its atmosphere. Otherwise, Mars would probably still have life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oregonian
Basically, that would mean Mars is loosing atmosphere all the time, and it will not go better. Terraforming is impossible, as it's doomed to fail. Except if you can restart its core for good.
I don't have all the details, it was years ago, and you may want to check this theory.
http://blog.bioware.com/wp-content/u...sten-Coats.jpg
Humanity first!
(I'm actually for human/Votan cooperation, I just couldn't resist posting that)
In other words from the OP...
"They took mah jobs!!!"
As with all good Sci-Fi, defiance explores issues that we grapple with today in a setting that makes us more willing to consider them than we might otherwise.
Should the earth open it's arms to immigrants seeking a better life, or should we turn our backs on them because we have our own problems and there is a chance that they might make things worse.
Wow... it's not like that wasn't a major issue in the last election....
Not every world can be terraformed. Earth was picked because at the time, they set out ((3400 or so BC)) they couldn't detect any modern humanoid life on the planet, and earth was in the range that could be transformed. In the 5000+ years it took them to get here... surprise... humanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oregonian
That's greedy, us votans need a paradise too, where would you guys be without votan technology
EMC forever! This is our damn planet and its not our fault that their system got destroyed! Now we must raise and clean the earth from those votans for the future of humanity!
lol EMC isnt human... they are mutants. oh and tell the big blue guy i want my cat back... a man cant survive this place without a good cat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thyr
the "mutants" were once former human soldiers and workers of the earth military coalition but they mutated with their last order in mind cuz of the war and terraforming but this changed nothing in the plan of the EMC to eradicate all votans from our planet!
EMC! Terra Arma
We Irathients are a proud race and spiritual one at that! WE would have opend our doors with open arms if your planet was destroyed.
"This planet has no natives. That means it belongs to everyone." Joshua Nolan
Keep in mind Nolan is a human....
I doubt the earth would've gotten borked via terraforming if it weren't for the warmongering purists that can't get along with outsiders causing a war that ended up in the explosions of the ark ships and the terraformers in them. So, it is the warmonger's fault after all. :P
I know but it still is a an inspiring message to Humans who hate votans. And I am kind of a Hippocrate because I hate humans! lol
Terraspires are the deadliest weapon on the planet. There's a pretty legitimate reason to be frightened of them. Some might have compared giving the Votans territory to appeasing Hitler... whose to say they'll stop with what they're given? After they got some turf in Brazil, they might have wanted all of Brazil. Then all of South America. Then who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rebel Raven
As it was, even with post-modern technology and Biomen we were still outmatched by them. The only major advantage we had was home-field, and if we let Votans establish themselves on our planet and create industrial centers or terraform chunks of the planet in order to meet their power and fuel consumption needs, we could have been steamrolled.
I'm all for human-Votan cooperation NOW, but at the start of things, I don't know.
Tuuk R Juuuuubs!
Better to start a war with aliens that if they were in the least bit jerks they would have just fired off the Terraspires before setting foot on the planet and that would have been game over for every single human. I mean the Votan pretty much could have destroyed the human forces at any time with a single click of a button and they never did. All the violence was started by humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Johnson
I am human and I would agree with you. Except have you tried the Pow? Oh my god it is ssooooooo goooood! It's soft and tasty like pork ribs with the rub and BBQ sauce all ready mixed in. The rump roast on that baby could feed an army and when you put it with some of those new Potaunips. Yeah loving the alien food so I was thinking. Pow King restaurants! So what do you think?
Incorrect, Most of the emc wasn't mutated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pravus
EMC is human and only human those mutants are may unlucky EMC members but they follow the right order in some degree but some bunkers are may still intact/unaffected of mutations and we have plans for future of our planet and more then enough sections of the EMC are working hard only for future for us the humans and our and only our planet earth! EMC forever!
Elements of the EMC must exist all over. Their units must have been incorporated into the armies of new nations like the E-Rep. Right? Isn't Nolan former E-Rep?
The Votan Invasion fleet were aware of the Human race long before they reached earth, they detected faint Radio and then TV signals while they were still in deep space, Signals we have been emitting for over 100 years.
The truth must be known by all Humanity so they can see the Votans for what they are, An Alien Invasion!
The Beginning:
1947, Roswell New Mexico, USA
A Votan scout probe crash lands on earth, The American government covers up the crash with a fake story about a weather balloon.
Fragments of the ships data storage device were recovered but it was not until the advent of supercomputers in the 20th century that the data device was understood and the encryption was finally broken.
Fragments of surviving data were pieced together, from this information it was clear that the probe was sent to analyse our planet and send terraforming data back to the Votan Fleet.
1987 US President Ronald Reagan initiates Iron Sky, a project to create weapons capable of defending earth from the Votan Threat
Iron Sky is widely known to the public as the Star Wars ProjectQuote:
"In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world"
Speech to the United Nations General Assembly, 42nd General Assembly
September 21, 1987
1990, The Hubble Telescope is Launched into Space under the guise of Scientific Study of the Cosmos, Its true mission, to track the Votan Fleet heading for Earth.
1998, CERN begins work on the LHC, Billions spent on a project with no real aim, the real primary purpose is to create the Anti Matter required to power the advanced technologies retro engineered from the Votan Probe
Over the next decade this Votan Tech or VTech is used to create Iron Sky Defence Platforms that are being launched into orbit around Earth.
When the Votans arrive they do not expect Humanity to have any form of Defence capable of destroying their Ships, unfortunately for them, we have the Iron Sky Platforms in place and thousands of Nuclear Weapons at our disposal, the Votans have their Terraspires, this lead to a stalemate situation, both sides capable of destroying the other.
Had Earth not had the Human race to defend it, the Votans would have Terraformed our world, destroying all existing life, millions of species that had evolved over the millennia's in a matter of days and turned our Eden into a replica of their long dead world.
This was still their plan when they manipulated the UN into giving them land, it was a foothold on our world, a place to stage their take over.
Several of the world leaders which met with the Votan ambassadors suddenly changed their stances on the Votan Situation, Medical tests on at least 2 of the Leaders who had met and changed their viewpoint showed traces of unknown compounds not found on earth.
The results of these tests were discovered by Avinash Singh, this most likely is the catalyst that led to the assassination of one of the Votan Ambassadors and the beginning of the Pale Wars.
Ultimately, the Votans decided to use their Terraspires, they believed they had found a way to neutralise our defences, energy signatures spiked aboard the Ark Ships which left us with no choice but to use the Iron Sky Platforms, a one time defence weapon network that decimated the Votan Fleet and saved our world from complete destruction.
At the time, we did not, could not know that the Votan weapons would survive the destruction of the ships and even re-entry into our atmosphere, having already been primed to destroy earth, many were still active when they hit our planet and turned our Eden into their Hell.
Intel gathered since the war suggest that the Votans destroyed their own system by accident after a weapon they were creating to destroy another unknown race went terribly wrong.
This is why the Alien menace must be removed from our world, they came to destroy us, to remove us from existence and leave no trace of us behind.
Free Earth, Free Humanity
the loyal and true EMC stills exist!Quote:
Originally Posted by Megaweapon
Ladies and gentlemen, racism in Defiance.
Lol how could Votans have been watching tv if they have been sleeping? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Iron Hammer
Former EMC, the iron demons was an EMC unit, The e-rep was made after the ark falls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megaweapon
Humans do that alllllll the time. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by aRtFuL
Timed shifts for maintenance?Quote:
Originally Posted by aRtFuL
the planet wouldnt be ****ed. down with the votans humans forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Daz
im glad someone else see's it this way (i mean my way).
its not racism their not even the same species. its more like specism.Quote:
Originally Posted by djin
True but had some crazy islamist fired nukes eariler we wouldnt have had this problem. (i don't believe the arks had weapons on them)Quote:
Originally Posted by Escyos
Num on their egos and devour their powah! num num num we needs an upgrade.
W.r.t. Mars a theory that goes around is that due to its size and its core activity it can not sustain a larger atmosphere. Further evidence to support this theory are the giant volcanoes Mars has w.r.t. Earth volcanoes. Due to plate tectonics earth volcanoes are smaller in size (absence of plate tectonics on Mars). The earth is one big magnet and that magnet generates this magnetic shield against solar radiation all those particles thrown at us (aurora borealis). Since a similar field is not generated by Mars solar winds would simply keep blowing away any attempt at an Earth like atmosphere. Even if there could be a atmosphere made such as Earth without continues effort would could it remain chemically stable under the influences it has?
Changing Mars... I would plummet some of the heavy asteroids we have abundant in our solar system into Mars, to increase the mass and to rupture the crest, maybe making the planet more active. This would take considerable time. Water could be hauled in from the outer regions of our solar system (more ice based asteroids) or Europe. This would be a gigantic undertaking, than preferably the orbit should be a bit closer to the Sun... good luck with that.
Venus nudging it away from the sun and add an abundance of water (again massive undertaking) could do wonders.
The Ark fleet has been traveling for 5000 years, so the moments they picked up human civilization is quite short. However humans and other life has been on this planet long before those 5000 years and I find it difficult to believe they did not scout far ahead or were unaware of there being life on Earth. As such I strongly believe that knowingly there was a decision made to terraform a planet with existing life, which I find very arguable if not morally corrupt.
A lot of the Earth flora and fauna has been destroyed and this is a huge crime. I can see merit in creating life on lifeless planets, but playing god and laying waste to planets and lifeforms that took millions if not billions years to evolve and develop is a sin beyond measure.
Accepting Votans on Earth to colonize and make use of natural resources and even terraform portions of the world is nothing but the movie Avatar (mind you the avatar lore says that humans rely for survival on the resources they mine at that planet). Accept now we would be in the shoes of the blue giants. Not allowing the Votans to land or set a foot on Earth would be the right decision. Strategically giving them some land such that if they make an orbital strike would hit their own people is also sound. This time can be used to create and plan a massive counter attack, aimed to wipe the Votans out. The moment they accept the offer to make colonies on Earth, is the moment they settled their fate.
Now we look at a partially terraformed Earth, the bad has already happened. The question is do we hold them responsible for the crimes committed against our planet or do we accept now that we live in this new world and have the move forwards? I still think humans need to band together and try to preserve and fight for what is Earth as much as possible as that is what we as a species are accustomed for. With remaining hostile Votans and ongoing plans to further terraform the Earth by some factions, there needs to be a counter response. The proper response is the von Bach ideal, terraform it back to what it was and raise your middle finger to the Votans who have difficulty to adjust to Earth flora and fauna.
Cooper can kiss my "behind" von Bach is the only reasonable guy I've met in the game and the biggest crime (spoiler alert) is that Trion let an AI (?) take him over.
I see 3 factions:
1. Restore Earth -> humans win
2. Keep it as it is -> humans and votans will adept probably become one on this new world.
3. Continue terraform -> votans win
1, 2 and 3 cannot be friends of one another in the end.
the EMC will restore the earth! we will clean the earth! our scientists and engineering corps are working hard to restore the earth but we need more then that we need loyal humans to help us build our future from the ground up! FIGHT, WORK, RESEARCH, EMC! EMC! EMC forever!
Officially the EMC has been disbanded and transformed somewhat into E-Rep, but E-Rep also has Votans making E-Rep or Earth government leaning towards option 2. There is no say about the Votan Coalition being broken up, thus the balance lies in 2 and 3 mostly. 1 only supported by shadow factions I presume.
Another example of the Votan settlement would be that of Europeans invading America and displacing native Americans. Most of the 1st settlers also gave up their way back home, taking the leap to built their new life in the new land or fail trying. Generally w.r.t. the native Americans this is a black page in history... so why is the Votan colonization that much different?
There are a number of theories to terraform mars, my personal favorite is the "Land fill" where we take a way excuse biological waste and send it to the planet along with a few chosen life forms. Essentially imagine all the waster that happens lumber mills, they replant trees for future use, however if you take the stumps and launch them onto mars with some kind of fertilizer (the factory made not the actual soil made) , seeds, earth worms (wonder if their name would change lol) and a couple million common black ants and repeat the process the theory is eventually the planet's mass would change and slowly get heavier while developing an atmosphere and a biosphere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozgwald
I love all of these theories ^_^.
Personally I want to see what is going on with Neptune, I think we'll find life there.
those who left the EMC are all traitors! we are still there and still strong! the mutants where once our man and it pains me to say this but now they are not more then cannon-fodder for our plans! the true EMC is waiting in the shadow of the new earth to strike and take back what is ours!!!
"The history of the English terms race and species are not as you describe them. For example "race" as Darwin used it in his 1859 monograph, refers to varieties, not to human races.Ernst Mayr blames essentialism (a Platonic philosophy) as the source of thinking that human races are strongly separated, while Darwin and most biological scientists argue against this. Race did not enter the English language until the 16th century, http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/race--2 while species is both older http://oxforddictionaries.com/defini...cies?q=species and younger in that the scientific use of the term required the development of scientific taxonomy. Intelligent alien species are therefore correctly (if colloquially) called alien races because of a assumed commonality with intelligent humans"Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC14
I guess the best way to put it is, semantics.