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  • 04-20-2013, 12:06 AM
    Ralron
    Unimpressed By "Legendary" Weapons
    Now, I have seen a lot of people saying they wish to buy or sell a "legendary" weapon. I have seen stats of the weapons and all their bonuses. IMO the bonuses are so insignificant that I would hardly call the weapon legendary. My Ares FMR-3000 the default AR you get at the start of the game is pretty much the same as a legendary weapon.

    Is anyone else just not impressed by them?
  • 04-20-2013, 12:08 AM
    ShiMoShinkenFry
    They can't be over the top as to keep the game balanced but the orange weapons do seem to get a few better perks already on them to which you can add mod slots.
  • 04-20-2013, 12:16 AM
    Ralron
    better perks that i just laugh at...+5% melee dmg after self revive (for 10secs)...thats not a perk...thats a joke... IMO they should AT LEAST buff Acc or DMG a little bit...VBI AR does 220dmg should be buffed to 250...thats a reasonable buff for a orange tier weapon. I've seen 1 senergy that I was mildly interested in, but the fact i gotta find all the proper mods for it just makes it more of a hassle.
  • 04-20-2013, 12:20 AM
    ShiMoShinkenFry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ralron View Post
    better perks that i just laugh at...+5% melee dmg after self revive (for 10secs)...thats not a perk...thats a joke... IMO they should AT LEAST buff Acc or DMG a little bit...VBI AR does 220dmg should be buffed to 250...thats a reasonable buff for a orange tier weapon. I've seen 1 senergy that I was mildly interested in, but the fact i gotta find all the proper mods for it just makes it more of a hassle.

    I have found a few decent orange equips. The grenades I found that had 0 detonation time I find are awesome also for the weapons I find them to be flightly better than my purples.
  • 04-20-2013, 12:33 AM
    Ralron
    0.0 det time is nothing when your going from 0.5 det time.
  • 04-20-2013, 12:34 AM
    ShiMoShinkenFry
    You'd be surprised.
  • 04-20-2013, 12:40 AM
    Ralron
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ShiMoShinkenFry View Post
    You'd be surprised.

    No...I really wont...a half second is nothing...det on impact is nothing...so they are pretty much the same. Now if it was 3-5 second fuse time normally then I say hell yeah!, but its not...
  • 04-20-2013, 12:41 AM
    ShiMoShinkenFry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ralron View Post
    No...I really wont...a half second is nothing...det on impact is nothing...so they are pretty much the same. Now if it was 3-5 second fuse time normally then I say hell yeah!, but its not...

    I find it can make a large difference especially in pvp. Since they explode the instant they touch a person.
  • 04-20-2013, 12:49 AM
    Ralron
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ShiMoShinkenFry View Post
    I find it can make a large difference especially in pvp. Since they explode the instant they touch a person.

    for me this game is more PVE then it is PVP
  • 04-20-2013, 12:51 AM
    ShiMoShinkenFry
    I find it is good to keep a mixture of both. I think the pvp in the game is very fun you just can't take it too seriously.
  • 04-20-2013, 12:54 AM
    Hybridizm
    Had a few and the only one I've really noticed and kept hold of was the shield I obtained from a lockbox. Other than that? Most of the "Perks" don't seem too great.
  • 04-20-2013, 12:57 AM
    ShiMoShinkenFry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hybridizm View Post
    Had a few and the only one I've really noticed and kept hold of was the shield I obtained from a lockbox. Other than that? Most of the "Perks" don't seem too great.

    I may have just been lucky.
  • 04-20-2013, 01:40 AM
    Hybridizm
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ShiMoShinkenFry View Post
    I may have just been lucky.

    Heh, that could be true. Who knows? I may end up obtaining a Ledgendary I really like and I'll change my mind about it? Until then, Ledgendaries to me remain pretty darn comical.
  • 04-20-2013, 01:41 AM
    ShiMoShinkenFry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hybridizm View Post
    Heh, that could be true. Who knows? I may end up obtaining a Ledgendary I really like and I'll change my mind about it? Until then, Ledgendaries to me remain pretty darn comical.

    I have had 2 snipers 2 sawn offs 1 rocket launcher and 1 combat shotgun. xD
  • 04-20-2013, 01:54 AM
    Jestunhi
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ralron View Post
    Now, I have seen a lot of people saying they wish to buy or sell a "legendary" weapon. I have seen stats of the weapons and all their bonuses. IMO the bonuses are so insignificant that I would hardly call the weapon legendary. My Ares FMR-3000 the default AR you get at the start of the game is pretty much the same as a legendary weapon.

    Is anyone else just not impressed by them?

    Sounds like you want a game where farming = higher stats = an advantage over those who you consider to be "noobs".

    This is not the game for you. If you want a +12 SAW of righteous smiting which 1 hit kills lowbies then go play some awful gear-grinder game.
  • 04-20-2013, 01:59 AM
    ShiMoShinkenFry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jestunhi View Post
    Sounds like you want a game where farming = higher stats = an advantage over those who you consider to be "noobs".

    This is not the game for you. If you want a +12 SAW of righteous smiting which 1 hit kills lowbies then go play some awful gear-grinder game.

    He has a point to an extent but I could do with a saw of righteous smiting.
  • 04-20-2013, 02:00 AM
    Jestunhi
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ShiMoShinkenFry View Post
    He has a point to an extent but I could do with a saw of righteous smiting.

    All SAWs are SAWs of righteous smiting tbh... they so good!
  • 04-20-2013, 02:00 AM
    Ralron
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jestunhi View Post
    Sounds like you want a game where farming = higher stats = an advantage over those who you consider to be "noobs".

    This is not the game for you. If you want a +12 SAW of righteous smiting which 1 hit kills lowbies then go play some awful gear-grinder game.

    you think im from WoW? waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off...

    I'm from Battlefield...I even have the **** bucket to prove it!
  • 04-20-2013, 02:01 AM
    loken
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jestunhi View Post
    Sounds like you want a game where farming = higher stats = an advantage over those who you consider to be "noobs".

    This is not the game for you. If you want a +12 SAW of righteous smiting which 1 hit kills lowbies then go play some awful gear-grinder game.


    just because someone wants gear progression dosen't make them a jack ***, so piss off
  • 04-20-2013, 02:04 AM
    Ralron
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ShiMoShinkenFry View Post
    I find it is good to keep a mixture of both. I think the pvp in the game is very fun you just can't take it too seriously.

    Again, I'm from Battlefield...my life is only worth it if i can sink my blade deep into the enemies neck and rip his/her dog tags off...
  • 04-20-2013, 02:14 AM
    ShiMoShinkenFry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ralron View Post
    Again, I'm from Battlefield...my life is only worth it if i can sink my blade deep into the enemies neck and rip his/her dog tags off...

    Well instead of that you can blow them to pieces!
  • 04-20-2013, 02:19 AM
    Hybridizm
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jestunhi View Post
    Sounds like you want a game where farming = higher stats = an advantage over those who you consider to be "noobs".

    This is not the game for you. If you want a +12 SAW of righteous smiting which 1 hit kills lowbies then go play some awful gear-grinder game.

    To be fair, this game has the most pointless levelling system. The level required to use a gun in more or less pointless as well. When you enter a PVP match, you are matched against anybody and everybody, it's like a bag of revels in there. I used to play WoW, never farmed a low level just for fun and you'd only fight people within a set level range to yours or at your own specific level. That's what should have been done on the game. Then "Ledgendaries" would be worth saving keycodes for xD
  • 04-20-2013, 02:24 AM
    Ralron
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ShiMoShinkenFry View Post
    Well instead of that you can blow them to pieces!

    I'm not even going to...no...I just can't...
  • 04-20-2013, 02:29 AM
    ShiMoShinkenFry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ralron View Post
    I'm not even going to...no...I just can't...

    Nothing wrong with using high explosives.
  • 04-20-2013, 02:34 AM
    Grimms AKF
    sometimes its the small things like +9 to mag the REAL kick is when you fill that little bar up an you get something nice like one of my weapons haveing a 4.7 damage that is what makes it a legendary i have seen snipers with a 12.1 crit after the boost from lvling the gun (not your lvl the guns)
  • 04-20-2013, 03:33 AM
    Ralron
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Grimms AKF View Post
    sometimes its the small things like +9 to mag the REAL kick is when you fill that little bar up an you get something nice like one of my weapons haveing a 4.7 damage that is what makes it a legendary i have seen snipers with a 12.1 crit after the boost from lvling the gun (not your lvl the guns)

    Imma call BS on this one...the highest that i could possible calculate is 3.6x to 3.7x max, my wolfhound could possible reach 5.2x or even 5.5x depending on its default bonuses and the maxed out bonus
  • 04-20-2013, 03:40 AM
    Munx
    Yep your starter ar is as good as a legendary ar with:

    Syphon, x2 1.05% dmg, 1.25 Crit multiplier, 0.50 mag size, 0.xx recoil rifle with a badass synergy.

    progression is far more subtle in this game, and its not over the top, this is what makes it great, not bad.

    And thats just what I can imagine based on my current level of 2.2k, at 5k I am sure there will be even nastier combos.
  • 04-20-2013, 04:49 AM
    Cl Chaos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ralron View Post
    Now, I have seen a lot of people saying they wish to buy or sell a "legendary" weapon. I have seen stats of the weapons and all their bonuses. IMO the bonuses are so insignificant that I would hardly call the weapon legendary. My Ares FMR-3000 the default AR you get at the start of the game is pretty much the same as a legendary weapon.

    Is anyone else just not impressed by them?

    they kinda blow except my rocket launcher i found one hit almost everything :D the semi auto sniper sucks eggs >< it was recycled
  • 04-20-2013, 04:56 AM
    g1mps0r
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Munx View Post
    Yep your starter ar is as good as a legendary ar with:

    Syphon, x2 1.05% dmg, 1.25 Crit multiplier, 0.50 mag size, 0.xx recoil rifle with a badass synergy.

    progression is far more subtle in this game, and its not over the top, this is what makes it great, not bad.

    And thats just what I can imagine based on my current level of 2.2k, at 5k I am sure there will be even nastier combos.

    Just give me a ego 10-100 SAW with fire dmg on it and I can ensure you that I'll beat every single of your orange non SAW weapon with like 400k - 1m dmg ahead of you in ANY dungeon. ;> So much for legendary.

    Lvl progression in this game is so much worthless, I cant even describe it. The only good thing are the new perk slots, but atm you won't need more than 7 slots for an perfect pve and pvp character. So with 2k ego you're on the end of the line, with no more possible upgrades... okay maybe the 225 hp one... but in the end hp are also worthless. ;>
  • 04-20-2013, 05:16 AM
    Ralron
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Munx View Post
    Yep your starter ar is as good as a legendary ar with:
    Syphon, x2 1.05% dmg, 1.25 Crit multiplier, 0.50 mag size, 0.xx recoil rifle with a badass synergy.

    Yheap...that's an exaggeration, also LOVE how you think .5% increase in damage is a big deal XD
  • 04-20-2013, 05:26 AM
    That guy
    Well they work with your ego. The only rank you find explosives around 100 ego+. So if your ego is like under 500 don't expect them to be fantastic but I lucked out with a grenade launching shotgun from a tier 4
  • 04-20-2013, 05:28 AM
    Munx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by g1mps0r View Post
    Just give me a ego 10-100 SAW with fire dmg on it and I can ensure you that I'll beat every single of your orange non SAW weapon with like 400k - 1m dmg ahead of you in ANY dungeon. ;> So much for legendary.

    Lvl progression in this game is so much worthless, I cant even describe it. The only good thing are the new perk slots, but atm you won't need more than 7 slots for an perfect pve and pvp character. So with 2k ego you're on the end of the line, with no more possible upgrades... okay maybe the 225 hp one... but in the end hp are also worthless. ;>

    Afraid you would be sorely disapointed in your saws performance.

    I run most weapon types for co-op dungeons, and while saw is great, it is most definatly not in a league of its own.

    I can match it quite easily with: Tachmag Pulsers, Full auto rifle (12 fire rate), Grind Fraggers/Scattergun.

    with a perf legendary either of those weapons would blow your common saw out of the water.



    Edit: Rairon, you are kidding right? Only have one example availible in my inventory atm, but.

    Heavy assault without = 466
    Heavy assault with = 490

    Thats a very noticeable diffrence on a semi-automatic/burst weapon, and obviously the crit multiplier benefits from this.
  • 04-20-2013, 05:40 AM
    ChaosOneX
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by g1mps0r View Post
    Just give me a ego 10-100 SAW with fire dmg on it and I can ensure you that I'll beat every single of your orange non SAW weapon with like 400k - 1m dmg ahead of you in ANY dungeon. ;> So much for legendary.

    My TACC rifle with bonus crit damage begs to differ. It's not orange, but...
  • 04-20-2013, 05:43 AM
    Ralron
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Munx View Post
    Afraid you would be sorely disapointed in your saws performance.

    I run most weapon types for co-op dungeons, and while saw is great, it is most definatly not in a league of its own.

    I can match it quite easily with: Tachmag Pulsers, Full auto rifle (12 fire rate), Grind Fraggers/Scattergun.

    with a perf legendary either of those weapons would blow your common saw out of the water.



    Edit: Rairon, you are kidding right? Only have one example availible in my inventory atm, but.

    Heavy assault without = 466
    Heavy assault with = 490

    Thats a very noticeable diffrence on a semi-automatic/burst weapon, and obviously the crit multiplier benefits from this.


    It's a sad difference. Sure it makes the weapon a bit more useful, but it is not completely game changing. (not that I want it to be)

    Actually, I quite doubt you could match a FRC SAW with a Pulser or VBI AR. Also we will be dishing out the DPS while your stilling digging in the dirt for your "perfect legendary".
  • 04-20-2013, 05:43 AM
    Pheonix580
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ralron View Post
    Now, I have seen a lot of people saying they wish to buy or sell a "legendary" weapon. I have seen stats of the weapons and all their bonuses. IMO the bonuses are so insignificant that I would hardly call the weapon legendary. My Ares FMR-3000 the default AR you get at the start of the game is pretty much the same as a legendary weapon.

    Is anyone else just not impressed by them?

    Not all legendary weapons suck..... If you are still using your beginning weapon then... just smh
  • 04-20-2013, 05:45 AM
    Ralron
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ChaosOneX View Post
    My TACC rifle with bonus crit damage begs to differ. It's not orange, but...


    This man KNOWS where the DPS is at. the TACC is IMO, OP it has no limitation on range and can do 406dmg a shot with a Power III mod. It will pump out a killer 6090DPS as long as you time out your bursts perfectly.
  • 04-20-2013, 05:47 AM
    mbergeron
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by g1mps0r View Post
    Just give me a ego 10-100 SAW with fire dmg on it and I can ensure you that I'll beat every single of your orange non SAW weapon with like 400k - 1m dmg ahead of you in ANY dungeon. ;> So much for legendary.

    Lvl progression in this game is so much worthless, I cant even describe it. The only good thing are the new perk slots, but atm you won't need more than 7 slots for an perfect pve and pvp character. So with 2k ego you're on the end of the line, with no more possible upgrades... okay maybe the 225 hp one... but in the end hp are also worthless. ;>

    So you can't beat a legendary SAW? then you have proven that legendaries are worth it and topping the scoreboard can be done with any gun and overcharge.
  • 04-20-2013, 05:47 AM
    Ralron
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Pheonix580 View Post
    Not all legendary weapons suck..... If you are still using your beginning weapon then... just smh


    Sure, maybe not all Legendarys but most of em. and yes, once my AR skill maxes out...I will be using my modded Ares FMR-3000...and still out DPSing most players.
  • 04-20-2013, 05:49 AM
    mbergeron
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ralron View Post
    It's a sad difference. Sure it makes the weapon a bit more useful, but it is not completely game changing. (not that I want it to be)

    Actually, I quite doubt you could match a FRC SAW with a Pulser or VBI AR. Also we will be dishing out the DPS while your stilling digging in the dirt for your "perfect legendary".

    An infector could match and beat a SAW unless you are using overcharge in which case there is really nothing that can beat a SAW, but then it would be power + SAW beating the infector and not just the gun.
  • 04-20-2013, 05:51 AM
    Ralron
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mbergeron View Post
    An infector could match and beat a SAW unless you are using overcharge in which case there is really nothing that can beat a SAW, but then it would be power + SAW beating the infector and not just the gun.

    This is an interesting thought, but remember the bugs CAN be killed doing no dmg to a target.
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