High cost of dying..?

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Originally Posted by Kurze

usually all that does is forcing people to either get a big group for something that shouldnt require that many, or grind their *** off in easier content till they are way overgeared, then tack on the "difficult" content
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This, and it also will prevent players from helping other players, especially newbies, and it will lead to players leaving PUGs after one or two wipes.

Repair costs per se are a bad design decision imo, but repair costs based on the money you are carrying are even worse. I bet the only reason for repair costs in this game is because they want to sell repair cans in the item shop, like Anet does in GW2.

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Originally Posted by Don Nawetta

I bet the only reason for repair costs in this game is because they want to sell repair cans in the item shop, like Anet does in GW2.

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most likely its a goldsink. games need goldsinks. I have seen what a game without proper goldsinks looks like, and I can tell you, it aint pretty.

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Originally Posted by Kurze

most likely its a goldsink. games need goldsinks. I have seen what a game without proper goldsinks looks like, and I can tell you, it aint pretty.

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I see your point, but there are better ways to put gold sinks in games than repair costs. Repair costs always have a negative impact on the social behavior of the community if they are too high. atm I´m playing age of conan, the balance between income and gold sinks is very good imo, and there are no repair costs.

Makes me want to play a lot of the mission based stuff first rather than the pvp stuff etc. It's annoying because I didn't want to solo it straight away,but part of me really doesn't want to lose all my scrips to random battle deaths that I can't do anything about.

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Originally Posted by Kurze

usually all that does is forcing people to either get a big group for something that shouldnt require that many, or grind their *** off in easier content till they are way overgeared, then tack on the "difficult" content

but anyway thats related to the actual gameplay, not the dying penalty. you could have the easiest gameplay ever, and an incredibly long death timesink wouldnt make it any more "difficult"

looking at a timer go from 30:00 to 0 != difficulty nor challenge

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Well it forces you to use your brain and think between "do i play this smart or just run like an idiot and die and lose money"

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Originally Posted by pricey007

Makes me want to play a lot of the mission based stuff first rather than the pvp stuff etc. It's annoying because I didn't want to solo it straight away,but part of me really doesn't want to lose all my scrips to random battle deaths that I can't do anything about.

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ofc you don't lose money in pvp. that would be very idiotic.

Thank god for that! Thanks :-)

Not really sure why everyone is throwing the NDA around.

It's already been said it takes a certain percentage out of the scrip you currently have.
Also don't forget, he had like 97,000 scrip......

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Originally Posted by Thee Apothecary

its probley related to the ammount of scrip you have a bit like gw2 fast travel

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Except thats not how GW2 fast travel is calculated. (its based on level and amount of map discovered, not how much gold you have)

Anyways, I guess it wouldn't be too bad if its like Borderlands 2 death costs, as long as it isn't that hard to make up the cost or there is a max amount that can be deducted.

5 percent on death is not a proper gold sink, but the fact is in all mmo's some people like to make credits, gold or scrip in this case. And not having a valid way to protect is what I was pointing out earlier. Just like if they add an item bank later for items you like or want on other characters, or a good way to transfer items to alts if there is not one already present.

5% on death really is an awful lot IF, and thats a big if. They plan on doing real progression based endgame. Imagine if you will trying to do a raid in WoW where everytime you died you lost 5% of your gold...after 20 wipes on a boss you would be broke...so lets hope for the sake of endgame content that the death penalty is different in dungeons (which they have said are included) and in PvP (which many games do, dying in PvP is far less sever than in PvE since you are going to die FAR more often in PvP)

5% of your current scrip (or whatever the % really is). If it were 5% and you died 20 times in a row without gaining any more scrip in between, you would still have over 35% of your original total. (sorry, bad math doesn't please me)

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Originally Posted by PeaceMaker

Hope they make the death penalty more of a risk if you dont get revived in time and make that Self-Revive like 30mins cool down. Just make it more difficult for players. Don't "troll" me just like a bit more of a challenge.

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That's something like i'm talking bout.

That's the point I was trying to make if the scrip has something valid to spend it on at all, then making it so we lose it as we die and able to lose to much of it unlucky then you end up with an issue on the whole over all if that makes any sense. Do monster's healths reset if everyone dies? That will be one of the things we have to answer, a Gold sink if proper is fine but most gold sinks tend to be something that cost a lot you have to pay for. Like repairs, and repairs don't tend to out weigh the average amount of times they expect someone to die in most cases. Or they have a onetime cost on something useful that Is very expensive to get.

its a hard balance to strike, you have to make it so it doesnt cost the earth, but at the same time make it so deaths matter.

personally i think 5% are right were it should be.

Doing the math quickly in my head is never a good idea, but I think I worked out that 5% percent is actually extremely reasonable.

Maybe there will be differences as well in how you die? If its PVP or PVE for instance?

Should you lose more or less scrip for a PVP related death?

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Originally Posted by Avexion

I wonder if they will have a scrip bank or some way to bank scrip besides carrying it on you or making an alt to hold it if you can transfer scrip between characters, with or without help of another player.

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Sounds like a good idea

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Originally Posted by SparklingNugs

Sounds like a good idea

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Agreed, but back on topic. I'm fine with a small penalty upon death it gives reason for players to work together, but I do remember not saving in Fallout then dying and losing hours of plays then not playing again for months.

Cost is a little bit too high in my opinion