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This might not be something that is not possible, but I think it would be awesome if, while in combat, you could hold the weapon swap button, and switch from a primary, to secondary loadout. It would especially come in handy during boss fights and arkfalls, and it would eliminate the need to fumble around in the character menu while you are getting pummeled by enemies in a defenseless state.
Say someone who is a grenader (just as an example) needs to become a support healer on the fly.
Well there are already loadouts, and all you have to do is press the menu button then press (Y on Xbox) to switch to the next loadout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethicz
I dont see much of a difference between the two.
Well the reason I'm suggesting it is because I've always had quite a bit of delay when opening the character menu, to the point where it takes about 2 seconds to open the menu, then it takes a few more to select the loadout by hitting Y a few times, and about another 2 seconds to close the menu and get back into the action. By that time, your shields are down and you're half dead.
It isn't a deal breaker, I just thought it would be a nice idea.
Find cover first?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethicz
Well, the suggestion was generally related to arkfalls, where there is little to no cover at all. But I guess you're right, it makes very little sense. It just adds to the challenge of the game, so I guess a bit of lag is a good thing xD
I usually stick to one loadout. IMO You should prepared before the battle. Know what your going to need and have it ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethicz
It should be mappable to the D-pad for those that have not played the missions/game over and over to memorize everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralron
I think its lame that you CAN switch load outs during combat...
it would be even more silly to be able to do it instantly
See, I carry an AR and a Pistol...I don't need a medic gun, a grenade launcher or a rocket launcher. If the mutants pulled up in a tank and said surprise...I'd reconsider my loadout after I jumped on top of the tank throwing a grenade into the hatch. Basically, what I am saying is that I don't find most weapons to be practical for the game. Like Grenade Launchers and Rocket Launchers, I do not see any light skinned vehicles around...I see no MBTs or IFVs...If there were I would have that VBI Guided Launcher on my back nicknamed "Javelin". Grenade Launchers are only effective against clustered up practically hugging enemies, which I can just throw my hand thrown grenade at. Bolt Action Sniper Rifles are IMO kinda useless, but Semi-Auto Rifles have a much higher effectiveness for engaging the amount of enemies you face in the game. a Bolt action is good for long range single target take downs, 1 shot 1 kill and get out...but there is never just 1 target. Shotguns make for awesome secondary weapons, especially the FRC Auto-Scattergun which fires Slugs rather then buck/flechette, giving it the best damage at medium range then any other shotgun. Pistols are effective in the right hands, the Wolfhound is probably the BEST one. I myself carry one at all times it makes for a rediclously effective back up. Once my gun rounds out or god forbid, it jams I know i can rely on my HP-6 to finish the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by CPA
Conclusion...
ARs, LMGs, Semi SGs/Pump Action SGs, Semi Snipers, and Pistols are good
Detonators, Rocket Launchers, Sawed Off SGs, and Sniper Rifles not so good...
BMGs and Infectors are still being studied by myself to see if they hold a place on the battlefield.
I happen to think that it SHOULD be easier to switch loadouts, WITHOUT having to even go to the menu. You guys using a controller, or playing on a console may actually have the mouse and keyboard users beat on quick switching of loadouts.
Currently I find the number keys to not really be used efficiently. As it is, you can use the mouse wheel, or your weapon swap key to switch between your two weapons(mine is Q)
Why not have the number keys set to switch between loadouts on the fly? It would make sense, and would take advantage of the PC a lot better. As it is, the menus and UI is really clunky. This would be one more step towards making it more streamlined, and accessible.
I can see that. I use a USB keyboard on my xbox and all i would need to to is reach up with my pink and poke it.Quote:
Originally Posted by demontrace
I was going to start a thread suggesting more use of the keyboard.
I have PS3, and clip on my keyboard when playing this game for text chat.
It would be great if I could use the number keys to change load outs.
Also press S to enter social menu.
G for goals.
I for intel.
M for matchmaking menu.
L for log out.
I just don't get the whole 'instant weapon changing' thing.
Why is it assumed that this is okay?
You have a primary and secondary weapon, and a few perks.
Why should you be able to instantly change your 2 weapons AND perks?
I don't do it, so I don't know the specifics... When you switch the loadouts with no ammo in your clip, do the weapons in your new loadout have full clips? If so, OP MUCH PL0X
I'll pull out the EQ card on this one. Bandoliers were introduced not too long after Discord came out. In an advanced MMO, it was understood that adaptability is required to succeed at endgame and bandoliers allowed players to swap full weapon loadouts based on what just spawned. I put in a few tickets when i was beta testing to be able to bind loadouts to hotkeys.
If you're fighting Mutants, 99ers or even most Dark Matter, a pistol/AR/Fragsurge is going to get the job done. If you're in a Raider Arkfall on bonus wave 4 and there are two tankers and 6 Elite Rioters circling you, you're going to be paying 180 scrip if you don't swap out to a grenade launcher, courier, or clustershot load out. Same goes for Hell Bugs. The Mature Hellion is out, but he's not facing you, so your AR/Pistol is not putting out the damage. You need a fast loadout swap to a detonator style weapon until you can get under him to swap back to your AR/pistol to deadeye the sweetspot.
I use a pistol VS Tankers...better dmg and dps then a grenade launcher or rocket launcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thearl
Same with the Hellion, i have no problems with range.
Yeah, but the explosion damage makes them sit down and open their faceplate so you can faceplant a whole clip.
Case in point: San Quentin. The Tanker and a few Rioters spawn at the end of the causeway and there is one of the rocket launcher BFGs in front of you. It has two shots. One shot for the rioters, one shot makes the Tanker sit down, then you shoot him in the face.
(Pistols are excellent DPS, agreed; but its the secondary effects that make or break some encounters. Smelters for example.)
You would be in different situations each time. It's nonsense to be able to switch to any type of weapon in the middle of a battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thearl
I agree with this. Plan your engagements or set up a reliable class.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoG Goat
if you want to hot switch loadout in combat it should come with an animation of your guy changing gear.
When it comes to weapons, there wouldn't be a lot of harm, but when it comes to abilities and passives it would be broken. I think that you should be a 15 second penalty for swapping load outs. You can run but you can't shoot or use abilities.
Flash Grenade > All RaidersQuote:
Originally Posted by Thearl
And last time i checked bullets still hurt the mature hellion. You dont need to crit every time.
Forget that idea for my sanity and the love of kittens. Really. That's like if you had 4 weapons fully loaded, with 2 EGO powers. Did you simply think about your idea before typing it ?