Im not sure why Defiance is getting so much flack.

If I never visted the forums I'd have no idea I was supposed to hate the game so much.

/shrug

It ain't perfect, but what is. I think people expect too much, just log in and have a good time. People seem to expect any game that's an MMO to be some all encompassing life-consuming experience that they can spend every day with and never run out of things to do, but that's just not realistic.

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Originally Posted by Isturi

For a brand new MMO shooter or whatever people want to call it. By standard definition it is a MMO. Also for a game that is fun to play yes admittedly there were set backs and bugs that needed to be iron out, but lets face it name one MMO to date that has not had a rocky sail from launch. I just don't understand why all the flack that Defiance is getting. Everywhere from "Angry" youtube reviews to much pointed out average to low scores from game magazine and reviews. To be fair I have seen very positive reviews that don't seem to get the attention as the negative reviews.

I personally feel Defiance is prob one of the best if not the best MMO that I have played in a long time, and I am a ex WoW player of 6 years who have left that game for good, and yes Defiance is one of the reasons why I will not be going back to that game. I love Defiance. I love the story line. it is a breath of fresh air. I am not sure why people choose to blast threw the story line right at launch. My only reason on that is they prob had a speed hacks to get them threw the game real fast just so they can come on and say Defiance has lack of content. Why do people bash Defiance? I don't know, and personally I am feed up with it. For me it is a great MMO and I plan on playing it for a long time to come.

TY Trion for your effort in making a great game. Also TY Sy Fy for a fantastic show.;)

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I love the game and think the show is getting off to a great start. What I don't love is having a set of goals that needs to be accomplished and it being impossible to accomplish those goals to get the rewards (new costume, raise in ego, etc.). Whether it is due to timed pursuits not working correctly or ego kills tdm kills avenger kills assits just about everything in pvp being zero'd out. There comes a point in the game when players have accomplished everything they can and everything else they want to accomplish doesn't work. If I could get objective A done while objective B doesn't work and gets fixed that's fine but when you can't get anything accomplished it's so hard to just cross your fingers and hope what's been broke for over a week now magically got fixed the night before. I understand your optimism but you can't down play short comings based on your happy-go-luckiness and just because a different mmo had issues upon release doesn't give game developers an excuse to turn their backs on their consumer base because it's some kind of unspoken routine that we as game players should expect. That's why there is a beta and game testers. I guess what I'm trying to say is can you really blame people for giving them an angry review? I know I don't I'm patient and going to stick with the game but I don't really blame those who don't have anything good to say about it either

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Originally Posted by Oceanhawk

[COLOR="yellow"]You are an example of why Publishers force games to market early.[/COLOR] They cash in on people like you that are willing to be happy with shoddy game play and uninspired design decisions. They get their money back quick and then abandon the game developers to clean up their mess.

If people instead demanded the practice to change then we might actually see an improvement. But until the gaming community finds a way to cure cranial rectumitis like the OP's case, then things will never improve.

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One question then dude you are a senior member and you hate Defiance so much why do you even come on these forums still? My guess is to grief true fans of the game. Am I wrong?

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Originally Posted by Cavadus

It's been a rocky launch and Defiance lacks the most basic of MMO tropes (player market, mail system, decent chat system, player storage, an actual social hub, et cetera).

What it does it does quite well. Hopefully the devs will get better with patches and we'll start seeing fundamental MMO systems make their way into the game.

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Nailed it. These missing things make all the other problems just look bigger by comparison.

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Originally Posted by Mogar

Wow... the forums are almost as buggy.... Anyhow (second time writing this)
I have seen the launch ("going gold") on over 10 MMO's / Online games from Ultima Online to this. I want to say this so people can understand it... not one game has had a solid launch. NOT ONE.
World of Warcraft (the game that everyone says is great) when it went gold had more bugs than this game and many others COMBINED. Their Beta team was not very good at looking for them and they let the populace find them. Players getting stuck in trees, instances combing in with others, NPC's disapearing, Quest mobs never spawning, instakilling deathblows from level 1 mobs, PVP (when it came out) "bugs" where people could become invisable, unkillable mobs, being able to round up every mob in a zone and flood towns with agro creatures, rubberbanding, falling through the world etc etc etc...
It takes alot of work to get games to go right, and bugs will be there because people are not perfect and programs are written by people.
Have I gotten upset with the game? Yes.
Am I still playing? Yes.
Will I continue? Yes.

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QFT man TYVM

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Originally Posted by Technodude

Only because it is his opinion doesn't mean he is right. Aren't you guys bored of posting same nonsense every time a new MMO is released? how many WOW killers we had so far or how many MMO threatened WOW's dominance..let me count..errr....zero!

And what is with generalizations? do you know all 8 to 9 million players base to come to conclusion that ONLY kids play WOW? no wonder you agree with him, because both of you post idiotic nonsense.

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BTW we never used the words WoW killer. That is your words dude.

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Originally Posted by Isturi

For a brand new MMO shooter or whatever people want to call it. By standard definition it is a MMO. Also for a game that is fun to play yes admittedly there were set backs and bugs that needed to be iron out, but lets face it name one MMO to date that has not had a rocky sail from launch. I just don't understand why all the flack that Defiance is getting. Everywhere from "Angry" youtube reviews to much pointed out average to low scores from game magazine and reviews. To be fair I have seen very positive reviews that don't seem to get the attention as the negative reviews.

I personally feel Defiance is prob one of the best if not the best MMO that I have played in a long time, and I am a ex WoW player of 6 years who have left that game for good, and yes Defiance is one of the reasons why I will not be going back to that game. I love Defiance. I love the story line. it is a breath of fresh air. I am not sure why people choose to blast threw the story line right at launch. My only reason on that is they prob had a speed hacks to get them threw the game real fast just so they can come on and say Defiance has lack of content. Why do people bash Defiance? I don't know, and personally I am feed up with it. For me it is a great MMO and I plan on playing it for a long time to come.

TY Trion for your effort in making a great game. Also TY Sy Fy for a fantastic show.;)

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Well said my good man.

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Originally Posted by Antomus

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Well said my good man.

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LMAO TYVM made my day.;p

not cross plat...that dream got ****ted on by MS and sony long ago

For every bad there's a good.
That's how I see Defiance.

It basically balances things out and hopefully the good wins out in the near future.

I'm willing to stick around during these growing pains because I know that they are working effortlessly in fixing problematic issues w/in the game. For me, they have a good track record - RIFT.

Sure I've lost items, had issues with not receiving preorder items, chat glitches etc....and I do get frustrated. But I'm hoping that Defiance finds their mojo and work things out.