Watch tonight's episode before reading.

There may possibly be info about tonight's episode discussed here so if you do not want any type of spoilers do not read.

So, if the show is supposed to have an impact in the game world... why do all signs after tonight's episode point to them staying in St. Louis, heck, maybe even settling down, and not heading to San Fran? Is this really just going to be some cheesy, "Oh, new episode, do generic mission x to receive new item/outfit y"? That's not how I took it to be.

Anyone else worried about/want to discuss this?

EDIT: Lol, looks like they'll be fighting hell bugs next week; so that'll be cool.

The only hint is the next season will take place in LA if it happens.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Schwa

The only hint is the next season will take place in LA if it happens.

---

Hmm, I never saw that but that's a relief I guess. But that does bring up one question, why were the so adamant about pushing the game for release in time for the first season?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Antomus

Hmm, I never saw that but that's a relief I guess. But that does bring up one question, why were the so adamant about pushing the game for release in time for the first season?

---

*gestures at air*

The developers did mention that the focus of the game will be san fran but the show will be St Louis.

Looking at the patch data files, a char from the TV series will be soon in the game, but not the two main char.... Looks like the lady who has breathing issues is visiting the game soon

Why were the two main characters on the ship at the beginning of the game? I missed the first episode missions so there may be an explanation somewhere.

unless unforseen forces change it they have already been picked up for season 2. And for myself im glad they are staying in defiance awhile. Its got alot of interesting people in it that id like to see thier stories played out.

But thats just my oppion.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Antomus

Why were the two main characters on the ship at the beginning of the game? I missed the first episode missions so there may be an explanation somewhere.

---

They are hired Ark hunters like you. They are there for the same reason you are, to get some scrip.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Natjur

Looking at the patch data files, a char from the TV series will be soon in the game, but not the two main char.... Looks like the lady who has breathing issues is visiting the game soon

---

Very cool.

I honestly don't think they are leaving Defiance with the series. It is called Defiance, for one thing. And the cost of creating the city... I just don't see it happening or again or understand why there would be a need to.

I STILL would like to see an "instance" in which we visit the town and see some lively folk moving around or something :(

I am under the impression that The Defiant Few made their statement/stand in the city of San Fran. Considering the fact that Nolan himself is one of the Defiant Few, I couldn't see much reason why he would wish to return to that place. I could be mistaken so I'm hopeful that someone with a little more knowledge of the lore and history of this particular universe can shed some light on the subject.

I'm not worried... San Fransisco seems to be a treasure trove of ark tech, so I'm sure plenty of important characters and/or organizations in the show will have been to or will show up in the city.

They have always said that the show would be in St Louis and the game in San Fran. They both occur on the same world and history, but the game wont effect the show, at least in the first season thats already been filmed. But the show can effect the game

maybe we will get some part of San Fran like in the series for the old saint louis?

ingame:Have you noticed the tunnels that dont go anywhere? they are sealed off...
inshow:Tunnels...
Great show, great game...see the Defiance?! :) Be the Defiance

The show is set in St Louis. It is going to remain in St Louis. Nolan and Irisa left San Fran in the game to go through the badlands and then ended up in St. Louis. They're not heading back to San Fran.

The producers of the game have stated more than once that they want the show and game locations seperate. All this thread amounts to is wishful thinking otherwise.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Verios44

The developers did mention that the focus of the game will be san fran but the show will be St Louis.

---

THat is really disappointing news. This means we can expect the DLC just to be small areas on the current map and not new massive expansions.

Who knows...im rooting for St Louis getting wrecked...then they can move somewhere near San Fran and perhaps we can get a new mass of land to play on.

Ill be honest, the current map as is, or even with a slight opening of areas, just isn't going to cut it if this game hopes to play with the big boys. If the DLC doesn't come close to doubling the game map theres going to be a lot of disappointed people and a lot of "told you so's"

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jonwes

I honestly don't think they are leaving Defiance with the series. It is called Defiance, for one thing. And the cost of creating the city... I just don't see it happening or again or understand why there would be a need to.

---

Remember Defiance is just a ADVERB, i believe. The act or an example of defying; bold resistance to an opposing force or authority.
St Louis just happens to be called Defiance also.

Defiance was the action taken to create The Pale Wars. Hence there are many terms that Defiance is used for. Do not take for granted that the "city" Defiance is a set in stone point for either the TV show or game.

So, I laughed pretty hard when I heard the closing music. "No, I don't have a gun". Anyone else reminded by all the people reporting their weapons are disappearing out of their inventory?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Crunchyblack

THat is really disappointing news. This means we can expect the DLC just to be small areas on the current map and not new massive expansions.

---

I can see a future expansion heading into Oakland. Although Oaktown with Dark Matter would probably be less dangerous than it's present day self :P

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LittleRhyssia

So, I laughed pretty hard when I heard the closing music. "No, I don't have a gun". Anyone else reminded by all the people reporting their weapons are disappearing out of their inventory?

---

And people said there wouldn't be any tie-ins between the show and the game! Take that, serendipity!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Santana Ortega

Remember Defiance is just a ADVERB, i believe. The act or an example of defying; bold resistance to an opposing force or authority.
St Louis just happens to be called Defiance also.

Defiance was the action taken to create The Pale Wars. Hence there are many terms that Defiance is used for. Do not take for granted that the "city" Defiance is a set in stone point for either the TV show or game.

---

The Pale Wars weren't started by an act of defiance, they were ended by it. Soldiers on both side disobeyed direct orders and worked together to rescue civillians. The word of their defiance spread and other soldiers refused to fight leading to all the sides coming together and ending the wars. The city is named for that and in honor of the original defiant few.

Season one is probably staying in St Louis especially considering that Nolan's character is from there - I would bet that eventually there will be a tie in to San Fran - something like they need certain arktech from an arkfall in San Fran to do something in St Louis.

I think keeping the worlds separate makes sense. One day (hopefully a long time from now) when the series ends, then they can expand the game map to Defiance.

And, sorry, but - again - if anyone thinks the setting is changing, they are deluding themselves. Sorry, just the reality of paying for a TV show. :) The only way that'd happen is if they think the show needs a major retool to save it. They wouldn't plan for that.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Santana Ortega

Remember Defiance is just a ADVERB, i believe. The act or an example of defying; bold resistance to an opposing force or authority.
St Louis just happens to be called Defiance also.

Defiance was the action taken to create The Pale Wars. Hence there are many terms that Defiance is used for. Do not take for granted that the "city" Defiance is a set in stone point for either the TV show or game.

---

Defiance is actually a noun. Also the "Defiance" that everybody in the show and game talks about ended the Pale Wars. Not started them.

No one has to take anything for granted. They stated the show would start off based in St. Louis and the game would be San Fran. But others have already mentioned in this thread about hints it would be moving to LA.

The connections between the game and the show are terrible and not what anyone had hoped for. The explanations on the website that describes it is hilariously basic. Oh wow so the art teams collaborated on what gulanite is going to look like in both worlds... Something as simple as that should be expected and not worth mentioning. I noticed in the preview for episode three there were helmets that looked similar to the Machinist helmet and I expect every little nod to be just like that. I know it's stupid to have believed there would be anything more cohesive and innovative than what we have gotten so far but the simplicity of what is shown so far is laughable.

In one of the making of Defiance shows that were shown on tv, Nolan said that the game launched 2 weeks before the show because that was time it took for him and Irisa to drive to St. Louis from San Fran when they left after the main missions.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LittleRhyssia

So, I laughed pretty hard when I heard the closing music. "No, I don't have a gun". Anyone else reminded by all the people reporting their weapons are disappearing out of their inventory?

---

dangit, an I was actually singing it...an no I didnt put that together til you said that, roflmfao!! sonofa Ithaca(sp?)!
the word Kumbak Iro (the Skabolo of the Shirivanawo) called Irisa Nyira when she was releasing the old dude off the rack.

I'm still wondering how they made a game called Defiance...without including the reason it's named that way, in the game.
So many lost opportunities imo...

I doubt we'll so much tie into the town. Also, highly doubt we'll see much more of Nolan or the chick for a while. Though what I do expect is we'll see alot of "Traveling" characters. Just like how in the firs episodes we helped him get the crystal that kicked off the show. We'll be helping or stopping people in the background.


----------------SPOILERS----------------

This is just a guess, but based on Episode 3. I think we'll be getting a visit from the Old Mayor or her henchmen guy soon. They are obviously planning something, wish to destroy Defiance for what ever reason. Also said it was bigger than them or the town, meaning it's something world changing.

Also for those who beat the game, we know what's his face is not dead. He claimed he could reverse the terraforming, that was the whole basis of the game story. I doubt they'd drop that story "ark" -hehe- so easily. Obviously all the humans want their old world back. Perhaps there is something under Defiance that helps with that goal. It seems all the more plausible since St. Luis "Didn't Terraform like the other cities" as was claimed in tonights episode. There must be some reason the city was encased rather than destroyed. I'd hate to see the writers put that tid bit of info in the story with no aim of using it again later.

Annnyways...point being, we'll be interacting more with characters in the background when they are not in Defiance. I wouldn't be too surprised if the Lawkeeper of our area paid a visit to Defiance or we saw some other characters come on over to ours. At the very least, it's what I hope.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mentaly_Unsound

I doubt we'll so much tie into the town. Also, highly doubt we'll see much more of Nolan or the chick for a while. Though what I do expect is we'll see alot of "Traveling" characters. Just like how in the firs episodes we helped him get the crystal that kicked off the show. We'll be helping or stopping people in the background.


----------------SPOILERS----------------

This is just a guess, but based on Episode 3. I think we'll be getting a visit from the Old Mayor or her henchmen guy soon. They are obviously planning something, wish to destroy Defiance for what ever reason. Also said it was bigger than them or the town, meaning it's something world changing.

Also for those who beat the game, we know what's his face is not dead. He claimed he could reverse the terraforming, that was the whole basis of the game story. I doubt they'd drop that story "ark" -hehe- so easily. Obviously all the humans want their old world back. Perhaps there is something under Defiance that helps with that goal. It seems all the more plausible since St. Luis "Didn't Terraform like the other cities" as was claimed in tonights episode. There must be some reason the city was encased rather than destroyed. I'd hate to see the writers put that tid bit of info in the story with no aim of using it again later.

Annnyways...point being, we'll be interacting more with characters in the background when they are not in Defiance. I wouldn't be too surprised if the Lawkeeper of our area paid a visit to Defiance or we saw some other characters come on over to ours. At the very least, it's what I hope.

---

+1

couldn't have said it better

so... some issues I had with the show:

1. Putting a gun to the head of a guy about to blow up a bomb stops him. Uhh, the guy was just about to blow himself up how did that makes sense to anyone?

2. The arch. I'm pretty sure when they showed old St. Louis there was the iconic arch but there's also one above ground, wtf?

3. Why are they living like Mad Max when they have a tunnel that leads to freaking St. Louis? ****, salvage some of that ****.

The definitely don't go to San Fran in this season because that is where they were coming from when they reached Defiance. According to the missions pre-season anyway. I really hope they mix it up more. Maybe one of the DLC's will bring us to St Louis?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Denim Samurai

so... some issues I had with the show:

1. Putting a gun to the head of a guy about to blow up a bomb stops him. Uhh, the guy was just about to blow himself up how did that makes sense to anyone? I didn't think of this... hilarious

2. The arch. I'm pretty sure when they showed old St. Louis there was the iconic arch but there's also one above ground, wtf? I didn't notice, ill need to watch again

3. Why are they living like Mad Max when they have a tunnel that leads to freaking St. Louis? ****, salvage some of that ****.I'm fairly certain everything has already been slavaged, or is in the process of being salvaged by the miners

---

10/char...

Maybe down the road during the drought of new episodes, the game can take the opportunity to fill voids of lore that tie into the show. This way enthusiast of the series would be more compel to try the game.

P.S. - Old St. Louis was a really neat discovery. So are the miners mining material from old St. Louis or something else from the terraformed Earth?

It shouldn't take three weeks for them to get to hellbugs. Hellbugs should have been the first thing shown on screen on the show, and there should always be at least one hellbug on the screen at any given time.

they are mining gulanite.... gulanite is basically alien electricity, powers their vehicles, their equipment, their guns and so on

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Denim Samurai

Putting a gun to the head of a guy about to blow up a bomb stops him. Uhh, the guy was just about to blow himself up how did that makes sense to anyone?

---

Ben doesn't want to die.
Ben wants to accomplish his goal and no means are too low.

If Ben gets shot in the head he will not be able to set off the bomb and die.

How is this not logical?
The bomb was armed but not set to explode and had to be triggered, so the gun to the head makes quite a bit of sense ... after all they didn't know he'd rather choose death than be captured alive.
Why he didn't try and go for it, that I can't tell you.

I didn't notice the arch in old St. Louis but was wondering how the arch is in Defiance when St. Louis was essentially covered and buried under the terraforming. Shouldn't the arch have been buried too? Unless, likely answer for each, is that isn't THE arch but rather one the citizens of Defiance are building.