Trion Yanked Are Chains About Episode Mission, Etc...

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Only real problem is no one from Trion was willing to say "...actually those are the exception and not the rule. I hope you guys like doing pursuits to compete other pursuits because we added more pursuits.

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This. I was under the impression, left by those missions called Episode Missions, that additional episodes would bring additional Episode Missions. I was under the impression that the connection between the show and the game would be deeper than "we are on the same continent." Thus far those impressions are looking incorrect, and that irritates me.

Feel free to quote some random article or interview, and criticize those with such impressions as fools making assumptions and not doing their research. But Trion seems to be content to not explain otherwise, and their advertising certainly pushes the view along.

At this point I feel misled, and I know I'm not alone.

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Originally Posted by Omnifarious Xji

To the original topic at hand. Trion stated they would bringing us content, and we have received content, simple as that. Unless it was stated somewhere by an official Trion representative that we would be receiving a specific type of content, then I see no reason to be mad. They said "content" and we received "content."

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You do see that some people see content as being a bit more substantive than what we've received, right? The reason to "be mad" is that their definition of content is grind fluff or "hunt for tapes in our lifeless world," which many of us find... maddening.

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Originally Posted by DustOfDeath

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/...-game-into-one


Ehm HOW - the show is already filmed. A Lie. Its already predetermined whats going to happen.

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Congratulations, you've just figured out what a Plot is. Well done.

For the love of all that is holy, Pursuits are not content!!!!

For those of you who are adamant about believing Trion did what they said they was going to do, how could you screw over your fellow gamer like this. Defiance is dependant on more people being involved with the game, Co-signing this type of ******** when even the most reasonable person knows extra pursuits arent content is ruining the game, and turning off alot of people.

There is no waiting for Trion to get their **** together, they lied about beta not being like the final release, they lied about weapon in beta not reflecting the final release weapon, and now this.

Just taking money, making promises, and some people bend over take it up the *** and say "Thanks Trion may i have another"

You assumed, post me a quote that every episode will be followed by an episode mission instantly after the episode. Don't mix your delusions with reality. Expect nothing, enjoy everything.

Hey folks,

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Originally Posted by Eagle7D8

From what I've been able to learn it costs around $40,000 to submit a Title Update to Sony or Microsoft but the difference here is Patches don't count as Title Updates. Trion can do those for no fee from Microsoft or Sony.

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LOL $40k.... Talk about a scam.

close thread please.. like 30 other copies of this going on, not to mention it's mostly unproductive, as well as uneducated... ("ARE"... not "OUR")....

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Originally Posted by Ninno20

You assumed, post me a quote that every episode will be followed by an episode mission instantly after the episode. Don't mix your delusions with reality. Expect nothing, enjoy everything.

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Sure, right after you post a quote where I demanded such a thing. I simply thought that the derth of content in this game was explained by the periodic release of additional content as the show progressed. So far what they released is what I would consider fluff or grind bait. Further, the connection to the show is tenuous after the prologue content. This also bothers me. I expected something like a new coop map, a new TDM map, perhaps a mission relating to what happened in the show. Thus far, no go.

It is early, so who knows what will happen. But dismissing our expectations as extreme is unfair.

Is anyone really surprised about this at all? It's exactly what I predicted in beta but I was told by fanboi/girls it's going to be awesome and epic. Well, I was right. Neener neener. Oh wait...I spent 200 bucks so far....#@%#% me.

Sure ... new content after the 3rd Episode; just like they said we'd see DLC for the Xbox after the 1st mjr patch ... I'm sure someone is gonna reply by saying, "Well, they did increase the appearance of Emergency Missions" ... Whoopdeedo thats NOT new, its increasing the amount of old stuff thats getting old - fast!

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Originally Posted by Mirimon

close thread please.. like 30 other copies of this going on, not to mention it's mostly unproductive, as well as uneducated... ("ARE"... not "OUR")....

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That is fantastic precedent. "Thread closed due to poor English."

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Originally Posted by jnt

That is fantastic precedent. "Thread closed due to poor English."

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if only.. I also would like to see the internet used only by people who can pass a G.E.D. at 90% or better, in a smart state.(because states have different requirements for "passing") or be rich enough to have nothing less than 50 mbps connection or better..

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Originally Posted by Mirimon

if only.. I also would like to see the internet used only by people who can pass a G.E.D. at 90% or better, in a smart state.(because states have different requirements for "passing") or be rich enough to have nothing less than 50 mbps connection or better..

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Speaking of Air Force!

I passed my GED in Alaska in the 98th percentile early my junior year, worked for a few years, went to enlist in the military. Air Force recruiter said, "We hit our numbers for GED enlistees, you need your diploma". So, I spent 4 weeks, doing self paced classes through the local California Adult School. Finished out my Junior and Senior Curriculum in 4 weeks. I was shocked at the disparity between the states academic standards.

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Originally Posted by Valethar

LOL $40k.... Talk about a scam.

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The only scam is that people keep misquoting this information. Tim Schafer never stated that the certification process costs $40k, only that the entire patching process including internal development, testing, certification, etc. costs approximately that much. Some people on the Internet are just incapable of basic reading comprehension so they continue to take this information out of context.

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Originally Posted by Hiero Glyph

The only scam is that people keep misquoting this information. Tim Schafer never stated that the certification process costs $40k, only that the entire patching process including internal development, testing, certification, etc. costs approximately that much. Some people on the Internet are just incapable of basic reading comprehension so they continue to take this information out of context.

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He mentions PS3 and Xbox being costly and leaves out PC.

"I like the Xbox and the PS3. I like Sony and Microsoft, but those systems are closed and curated very closely and it costs a lot more money to go through that system, to patch a game. "

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...r-xbla-decline

I don't bother with consoles anymore personally, but he really does make it sound like expensive patches are a console issue :P

So you didn't get the content that you thought you should have but you really were just delusional the whole time? OK, good luck it sounds like you misinterpreted a lot. Have some patience, personally I am still on the story mode so all this talk about episodic content and content not promised is quite beside the point. The real point is just playing the game and enjoying yourself, your getting to hung up on content and content this. Its a game, play it or not? Real simple huh?

Here's an article posted earlier in the thread regarding Episode Missions and here is a quote I believe is most poignant:

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Some connections will be found in Episode Missions, which will probably not be added for every episode of the show, but will allow players to take part in the show’s story in some way.

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The currently added content does exactly what that quote describes. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Buruko

Here's an article posted earlier in the thread regarding Episode Missions and here is a quote I believe is most poignant:



The currently added content does exactly what that quote describes. Thank you.

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Is that information anywhere...official? I don't check news sites for interviews on a regular basis.

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Originally Posted by jnt

He mentions PS3 and Xbox being costly and leaves out PC.

"I like the Xbox and the PS3. I like Sony and Microsoft, but those systems are closed and curated very closely and it costs a lot more money to go through that system, to patch a game. "

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...r-xbla-decline

I don't bother with consoles anymore personally, but he really does make it sound like expensive patches are a console issue :P

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Which is fair and entirely within the context of his quote. I'm not saying that the patching process for consoles is not more costly than for the PC (closed versus open networks), only that it does not cost $40k to certify a patch; something that the ignorant masses of the Internet cannot seem to comprehend.

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Originally Posted by Taaltos

Speaking of Air Force!

I passed my GED in Alaska in the 98th percentile early my junior year, worked for a few years, went to enlist in the military. Air Force recruiter said, "We hit our numbers for GED enlistees, you need your diploma". So, I spent 4 weeks, doing self paced classes through the local California Adult School. Finished out my Junior and Senior Curriculum in 4 weeks. I was shocked at the disparity between the states academic standards.

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I did similar, having taken my G.E.D. at BYU (they proctored it) they then offered me a year free of tuition, just to turn about and have to take "highschool" on a computer which lasted less than a month..

Having received no formal education from 2nd grade on, and then try to relate to those who have (which was woefully inadequate).. it makes me fear for America's future..

Thus far, the episodic content has been bait and switch. Trion presented us with an example of a tie-in mission with the preseason chain, heavily promoted it (look at the livestreams) and has yet to match its own standard of content they have established through that example.

Whether or not Defiance's tv show tie-ins are a bait and switch overall has yet to be determined. We won't really know until we give them more time to either redeem or hang themselves.

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Originally Posted by JonDav

Fanboys on damage control again. Remember when they attacked people who had issues with the beta? They called them kids with no patience, kids who didn't understand what a beta was, kids who were gonna eat their words when the retail release had most if the bugs resolved and a map that was four times as big as that in the beta. As we now know, that was bs.

Then when the retail release came with a laughable amount of content and all the bugs from the beta, they said the patch that comes with the series premiere would bring content and fixes that will make this a totally new game. As we now know, that also was bs.

Now two episodes in, the game is still a buggy mess with absolutely no meaningful series tie-in content in sight. Now they say people assumed and worthless pursuits should be enough. If the fanboys only understood how their delusional behavior hurts this game much more than it helps....

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Absolutely true.
I bought the collectors edition AND the Deluxe digital one after being in the Alpha and Beta tests, after high hopes, viewing the videos, listening to the streams, and reading the blogs...

So far, NYET... ZERO... NOTHING that i have seen or heard is even close to what Trion said this game was supposed to be.

-Innovative TV series interactive missions 10 minutes after each show aired: Not there
-Devs's weather system and dynamic events on the spot: Not there
-Constant add-ons and content every week: Not there
-The micro store pages of cosmetics, outfits and vehicles we had in beta: Removed for some obscure reasons so: Not there
-The ever changing storyline and episode missions after launch: Not there, and i know NOW that it will not happen until next year which will be season 2, BUT... We didn't know that mostly "before" we all bought the game.
-Size of the entire map (As stated in many videos) opened and huge: Not there, the actual map is the size of about one small region of Everquest 2 back then...(And i am generous)
etc etc etc...

So far Defiance is what i will call, a good little online shooter. But That's it.
At least 75% of what was good promises about this game never happened.
The map is WAY too small, the storyline is the shortest i ever seen, and there is little to no rpg elements whatsoever in it not even talking about immersion.
There is no content left for you after less than a month, besides pvp and boring pursuits it becomes repetitive as hell extremely fast, and trust me...
Come back here in 1 or 2 weeks, and tell me that i was wrong... you wont.

For me Defiance is a TV show, a VERY good one, and i will watch it until the end.
But it is far from being the game i was told it would be at 1st.
I do not know what went wrong with this game, is it the devs, is it multiplatform deals? Bugs that cannot be fixed?
I don't know... But one thing is certain, this will soon be a game with a veeeeery very small community if nothing is done.

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Originally Posted by Ozzalin

Absolutely true.
I bought the collectors edition AND the Deluxe digital one after being in the Alpha and Beta tests, after high hopes, viewing the videos, listening to the streams, and reading the blogs...

So far, NYET... ZERO... NOTHING that i have seen or heard is even close to what Trion said this game was supposed to be.

-Innovative TV series interactive missions 10 minutes after each show aired: Not there
-Devs's weather system and dynamic events on the spot: Not there
-Constant add-ons and content every week: Not there
-The micro store pages of cosmetics, outfits and vehicles we had in beta: Removed for some obscure reasons so: Not there
-The ever changing storyline and episode missions after launch: Not there, and i know NOW that it will not happen until next year which will be season 2, BUT... We didn't know that mostly "before" we all bought the game.
-Size of the entire map (As stated in many videos) opened and huge: Not there, the actual map is the size of about one small region of Everquest 2 back then...(And i am generous)
etc etc etc...

So far Defiance is what i will call, a good little online shooter. But That's it.
At least 75% of what was good promises about this game never happened.
The map is WAY too small, the storyline is the shortest i ever seen, and there is little to no rpg elements whatsoever in it not even talking about immersion.
There is no content left for you after less than a month, besides pvp and boring pursuits it becomes repetitive as hell extremely fast, and trust me...
Come back here in 1 or 2 weeks, and tell me that i was wrong... you wont.

For me Defiance is a TV show, a VERY good one, and i will watch it until the end.
But it is far from being the game i was told it would be at 1st.
I do not know what went wrong with this game, is it the devs, is it multiplatform deals? Bugs that cannot be fixed?
I don't know... But one thing is certain, this will soon be a game with a veeeeery very small community if nothing is done.

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That's an all out post! Holy shtako

Go take a look at the numerous trailers for defiance from about 6 months ago.

That Defiance actually looked fun and inventive.

I want that Defiance.

I just went through an entire run of Explosions 101 with ridiculously glitched character movement. I'm not concerned with more missions being added.

Fix the Core Game first.

then add content.

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Originally Posted by 6Strummer

No one in their right mind thought we'd be getting extensive new content every week. No one.

EDIT - Also, no one in their right mind thought the gamers would extensively influence the show.

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Actually considering the current lack of content in the game, I thought surely they were saving a lot for updates in between each episode. Guess I wasn't in my right mind :) - which I'm assuming is your mind

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Originally Posted by Booshy

Actually considering the current lack of content in the game, I thought surely they were saving a lot for updates in between each episode. Guess I wasn't in my right mind :) - which I'm assuming is your mind

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AH!
I must be a total nut case then, as in: Not in my right mind at all! :)

Just noticed this on Defiance's Steam page:

"Create a unique character and level up...unlock powerful modern and alien weapons..."

I haven't really seen any of that.


What depressing PR :P

What sorta episode missions are we looking at here. There is nothing in the first two episodes that can be linked back to San Francisco. Everything in the two episodes is all done and resolved in St Louis. So there isn't anything outside from next week's episode with the hellbugs that would come back to us in the game and open up a new episode mission. What we got as content or lack off is what i like to call Mini Content. Sure most people here will disagree with me on this and i understand why of course but i like to look at it as mini content. Yet that does play a mini share cross over with the TV show. After all, they did celebrate that festival in the first episode. We in the game are just honoring that. Plus with them adding new Emergencies. That's is still new content for us to do. We haven't seen those emergencies yet at all until they did that server restart last Monday. So yeah when a MAJOR EVENT in the show happens that will effect us in the game, then we will see our next Episode Mission. I smell a plague coming soon. That will be our second or third episode mission.

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Originally Posted by Ozzalin

Absolutely true.

For me Defiance is a TV show, a VERY good one, and i will watch it until the end.

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Yeah.. Very good.. Judging from the first two episodes, this will be a short one. Worst waste that's tried to air in a long time. The game is okay though. About what you expect in game time for the price. (40-50 hours or so).

Our chains. Our.

Did this bother anybody else?

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Originally Posted by ThanatosPa

Trion stated that there would be missions for each episode. So at this moment they are going against their word. I know the game is messed up technically atm, but they could at least post a thread saying they cant do the episode missions untill they fix the game cause they dont have the manpower.

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I don't believe Trion ever said that. Do you have a source?

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Originally Posted by MacDeath

I don't believe Trion ever said that. Do you have a source?

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I said the exact same, and im still yet to see a source. This is just pure speculation, people listening to rumors, or making things up then demanding them to be true lol

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Originally Posted by CapN CooK 420

At the very start of the game myself and many other were under the impression that after every episode we would see new episode missions and episode events. Now, just after the 2nd episode they still haven't got the 2nd set of episode missions out or anything to do with the 2nd episode on tv.

This isn't the way I felt it would be and I feel lied too! Anyone else?


EDIT: I was very high and in a rush when I made this accounting for the word 'are' when I real meant 'our'..... My bad

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Christ every single one of your posted threads is either bashing or whinging about Trion have you got anything better to do? Put down that blunt and do something constructive.

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Originally Posted by DustOfDeath

http://defiance.junkiesnation.com/20...should-expect/

this one gives some overview.
Problem isnt that the y didnt add one - its that they left overall impression (false advertising) of ALOT more connectivity and content.

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In the 4th paragraph of the artice you quoted it said, "One of my first questions to them was regarding Episode Missions. I, like many hopeful Defiance players, wanted to know if the fact that these crossover content missions were called Episode Missions would mean we’d get to see a new one for each episode of Defiance that aired. That answer is no. We probably will not see Episode Missions for every episode of the show."

I know many people can't be arsed to read all the way to the 4th paragraph, but these were SHORT paragraphs, just saying.

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Originally Posted by Badblade

Our chains. Our.

Did this bother anybody else?

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It bothers me more that you didn't read the thread and think you're pointing it out for the first time.

Umm not trying to say trion said or promised anything, but id like to ask one question.. Episode 1 mission was removed from game, yet episode 2 pursuits are still in game even with new ones out for episode 3, why?
If they were so hell bent on removing episode 1 mission after the first episode airs, not allowing newer players even the chance to see the content, why are the episode 2 pursuits still iin game after episode 2 has aired?

Just doesn't seem right, but I'm just a paying customer..

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Originally Posted by Flowinwaters

Umm not trying to say trion said or promised anything, but id like to ask one question.. Episode 1 mission was removed from game, yet episode 2 pursuits are still in game even with new ones out for episode 3, why?
If they were so hell bent on removing episode 1 mission after the first episode airs, not allowing newer players even the chance to see the content, why are the episode 2 pursuits still iin game after episode 2 has aired?

Just doesn't seem right, but I'm just a paying customer..

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Trion's thinking on removing the Episode 1 MISSIONS were that they showed Nolan and Irisa in San Fransisco Bay Area in game as a prequel to the show. Once the show launched, they are clearly in the town of Defiance. For continuity's sake it's difficult for them to be in both places at the same time. No such issue exists with the pursuits.

People complain about episode missions not being added so far. 2 episodes are out, hell, am I the only one patient enough to wait for content ?
I must be a fanboy, but I don't recall any MMO I ever played being updated that fast.