I was gonna get'cha there =PQuote:
Originally Posted by CapN CooK 420
But I think all new content is getting pushed back until they can do some performance patching.
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I was gonna get'cha there =PQuote:
Originally Posted by CapN CooK 420
But I think all new content is getting pushed back until they can do some performance patching.
yup. and that's how it should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antomus
can't introduce new skragi when the old skragi doesn't work right.
FIX IT, TRION.
Don't worry guys I hear that next week there will be a new pursuit to kill a million hellbugs in arkfalls.
And light 100 more chinese lanterns too!
Yeah, and the bug that keeps resetting arkfall kills will still be in effect; good luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by Derity
The thing is, Trion will have had these periodic updates planned from the start so it's not in any way amazing that they are updating stuff. It's not a fix or 'new content release'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alechiel
That's more optimistic then the way I could imagine it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anim
Look at gun mods not being in game yet. Periodic updates? How about periodic releases of game content originally designed as part of the game and then cut off to be portioned in later :P
I was going to read the entire thread before I replied, but then I came to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapN CooK 420
They're (we're) not defending Trion; we're arguing against your stupidity and ignorance. Maybe if you spent less time being high and in a rush you could read and comprehend what you'd read: They said "content", not "missions" as Taaltos has already stated.
Shut up and drink your juicebox.
Did you choose Character Preset 1, 2, 3, or did you actually make your character to your liking, using what customization options were available to you, before entering the game world?Quote:
Originally Posted by jnt
Leveling up refers to the acquisition of EGO which allows you to further the performance of your character.
I see you've yet to unlock a lockbox or acquire one of the alien tech weapons in game, these usually look rather... alien, and shoot colored beams of light as opposed to standard ballistic ammunition.
Oh man, you're good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antomus
Unique means more then a haircut to me. Leveling is a funny word in Defiance since a lot of supporters claim that Defiance isn't a level based game.
I can find any and every piece of gear besides orange weapons without unlocking anything. I can buy alien weapons at vending machines!
The words used in the Steam page carry a lot of weight with gamers. They have a lot of implications. It's not small wonder how many people ended up disappointed.
I'm stupid and ignorant when you come to my post and disagree with me. Okay buddy, you can believe that! Keep up with your goal trying to be #1 fan boi and one day trion will hire you to shine shoes and make coffee. Your almost there bud keep it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merrin Nightbringer
I'll just leave these here...
Quote:
Originally Posted by jnt
The system used to advance in this game, EGO, is not at all like what a normal MMO player would think of as leveling. The term is simply used to get the point across that you will be advancing your character on an experience based system. This gets the point across and is easily understood by the masses. It's much more simple and more accurate than saying, "Well, you wont 'level' your character per say, you kinda will but it's not like WoW leveling, it's different".Quote:
Originally Posted by jnt
When you create a character, there are a number of different categories to choose from in the top left corner of the screen. You can change everything from face shape, to skin tone, to eye color, nose and mouth shape, tattoos, warpaint, and a number of other options. Go check it out, I'll wait.
Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by jnt
I don't notice leveling because even if I get more powerful, the game never gets hard enough to notice. I have to cloak so rarely in PVE I barely notice a 31 sec cd. My 1000 EGO weapon is functionally identical to the 500 one I used to have but vendored. Your insistence that this is character advancement is unsurprising considering you think being able to make a unique character exactly like someone else is appropriate use of the word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antomus
Why do I have to go look? No amount of tattoos or face shape is going to make a character unique. You can go look at the word's definition if you want. I'll wait :)
I can agree, in my experience, that the game is lacking in any extremely challenging content. Others would disagree with this assessment but, hey...Quote:
Originally Posted by jnt
I have built my cloaking class to make it advantageous to use the power. I have increased damage and power duration extension on a critical kill. This tends to make me use the power more than one would generally need to.
I am actually using a pump shotgun that I got when I had an EGO rating of 94. Some weapons are better than others. I actually like the fact that acquiring better weaponry comes from playing the game as opposed to playing it for long enough to be OP.
OH! And how could I forget?
u·nique - Being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else / A unique person or thing.
Please, tell me what it takes in creating a character that would make it unique in your eyes? Does it need fingerprints? What would one expect in a character creation interface for an MMO? You have to remember that no matter what, the game has to be able to load a character's model and outfit very quickly in order to keep you from being a model running around on someone's screen and all of a sudden fleshing out as the data is loaded. There is a fine line in MMOs as to how many variations of each body feature one model can have while also being able to load that data to others quickly.
Wow you actually had to go look?Quote:
Originally Posted by Antomus
How about just not using the word. Would "choose from limited appearance options to suit your taste" have been as glamorous? No, but it would have been appropriate.
I didn't have to "go look" I simply brought the information to the table to make sure we were using the same definition.Quote:
Originally Posted by jnt
Now, how about some math! Sorry, I'm a bit bored today.
Given that in all there are 111 unique options you can choose while customizing a character in Defiance, and you make 16 different choices with those options:
Using the following formula for combinations and permutations,
n!
_______
(n-r)!(r!)
Where n= the 111 different options you have and r=the 16 options you may have per combination.
That comes out to 8.15683378e+18 which is 8,1568,33,787,798,824,590 unique combinations to make your character UNIQUE.
I'd say there are some pretty unique characters in the world. But anyway, I'm done now. Sorry, but I had to go there.
Finally someone logical. Just because there's face paint doesn't mean ill be satisfied by that. I want in depth custimization.Quote:
Originally Posted by jnt
Hah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antomus
You may be bored but your math is pretty pointless if I just have to say "pretty unique" is by definition, not unique :P.
Oh, wearing one of like 6 helmet choices completely obliterates pretty much every choice you can make besides outfit and gender.
Adding qualifiers to absolutes is like saying almost dead is still dead.
Go where ever you want. You are trying to argue that my quotes from the Steam page are fine and not indicative of anything lacking. Ok, I get that. The only problem you face? Doing so would require me accepting a new definition of a word. This word, unique, has a definition that you use to support your argument but actually counters you upon reading.
Unique is a word that should be saved for things that actually can be :P Snowflakes, human experience, that sort of ****.
I'm afraid what you want may just be unreasonable for most gaming experiences.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapN CooK 420
Ok, snowflake, when you find an MMO that gives you the level of customization you're describing please let me know.Quote:
Originally Posted by jnt
Don't worry, I'll wait.
Describing? I don't even want that much customization. What are you even going on about now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Antomus
The Steam page exaggerates the depth and experience found in Defiance. You tried to argue I was wrong. Now you're just talking nonsense to distance yourself from the argument you started with me.
Alright matey.
Ya they were careful how they worded it so it left the people THINKING that we were getting episodic content to go along with each episode. But they never actually said we would, they just led us down that trail and let us jump to conclusions.
From the Steam page for this game (emphasis mine):
So far nothing is really evolving in this game's world and the game hasn't been impacted by the TV series at all yet. Yes there have only been two episodes of the TV show so far. However, the TV show has already moved half-way across the continent from the game world and the game has not moved with it.Quote:
Create a unique character and level up with diverse customization options. Hunt alone or with others as you improve your skills and unlock powerful modern and alien weapons that will help you survive the massive battles that await in this constantly evolving online world. Explore vast landscapes on a variety of vehicles and lead the charge in huge co-op battles and fierce multiplayer conflicts. Immerse yourself in the world of Defiance as the game impacts, and is impacted by, the Defiance TV series.
You hit the nail on the head with the first part, we're only 2 episodes in, the show is still setting up a story to draw in viewers. There can't really be much game changing stuff there yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomBlue
The game will not move to St. Louis. That has been stated. The game will be in the San Fransisco Bay and the show will be in St. Louis... for now.
When the game was being developed the devs of the game and producers of the show stated that there would be no direct interaction between the two but they are close enough that things that happen in one area will be known and affect the other.
(possible spoiler)The first episode missions were you helping Nolan get a piece of ark tech, in the end he screws you over and heads east (to St. Louis).
There are also files in the patch log that would lead one to believe that the former mayor of Defiance will be making an appearance in the game soon as well.
You know what Bush? You're actually 100% right about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmaster2000
I just went back and viewed most of all videos, Making of and Devs diaries made before launch, and found out that the word "Can" is widely and almost always used.
As an example: In The Making of Defiance Chapter 1: A Transmedia Revolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed7j3_xHxBw
At 4:00 minutes they say:
"The lvl of control we "CAN" have over things like weather, that can dramatically affect the gameplay"
Although my friend...Here is when it gets VERY ugly...
4:50 "The real cross-over (From game to show-show to game) happens while the season is going, we planned that since the very beginning, your character leaving the game and go to the show and talk about what they did in the game"
5:14 "We'll be transitioning from the real world to the game world and back again!"
5:19 "The show and the game CONSTANTLY reinforced each other, and battles of the game
will change the outcome of the TV show, and events of the TV show are IMMEDIATLY reflected in the game"
Defiance - Developer Diary: What is a Shooter MMO?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3b0X4YPUAE
0:14 "Defiance IS a shooter 1st, and an MMO second!"
0:58 "As you are running in the world, NEW things are actually happening ALL THE TIME"
1:48 "We also have different vehicles (Video shows open world Arkfall and Roads on a CERBERUS) where you can have weapons on it, your personal shooter in the back, one has a missile launcher etc, to use as well as transport vehicles to use as RESOURCES GATHERING"
3:34 "Defiance is on PC, PS3 and X360 Massive event to allow all of these platforms to play
simultaniously inside one MMO universe"
On a lot more vids also saying "New content will be implement 10 minutes after each TV episode" etc etc...
Sooooooo...
To conclude, All of the above that has been said and promised?
THAT IS THE DEFIANCE WE WANT!
And we will get that in due time. Just relax and be patient.
And thank you Fatal for the confirmation as regarding yet ANOTHER mmo, that was released not even half completed with huge promises juuuust for us to jump on the wagon, spend big bucks: (Over 400$ here so far by the way) and then giving us, an Alpha prototype to play with while waiting months for those companies to have time to work on it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatalmephisto
Most likely in order to have any actual episode missions, well have to wait for another character to cross over from the show to the game so theres an episode tie in like when we had irisa and nolan. They left now and unless they are going to make missions based on another character in the game thats going to go to the show itll have to wait for the crossover and make due with pursuits for now.
And we got maybe what 12 goals to complete our pursuits for episode 1 and 2? 4 emergencies 4 data recorders, lighting the lanterns,pvp goals.
The initial pilots episode missions prologue were only 4 instances and werent as much as we got this time around. They just had some cinematics.
The 'your character' here could be a figure head, a selected character, etc. As the main missions are the same for everyone any character who shows up as 'The Bay Area Ark Hunter' is your character.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzalin
Nolan and Irisa started in-game, and are now on the show. They will most likely come back as well.Quote:
5:14 "We'll be transitioning from the real world to the game world and back again!"
The show and game are constantly reinforcing each other, thus far they have done well in reflecting events from the show into the game.Quote:
5:19 "The show and the game CONSTANTLY reinforced each other, and battles of the game
will change the outcome of the TV show, and events of the TV show are IMMEDIATELY reflected in the game"
Agreed.Quote:
Defiance - Developer Diary: What is a Shooter MMO?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3b0X4YPUAE
0:14 "Defiance IS a shooter 1st, and an MMO second!"
They do.Quote:
0:58 "As you are running in the world, NEW things are actually happening ALL THE TIME"
We do, and we might.Quote:
1:48 "We also have different vehicles (Video shows open world Arkfall and Roads on a CERBERUS) where you can have weapons on it, your personal shooter in the back, one has a missile launcher etc, to use as well as transport vehicles to use as RESOURCES GATHERING"
Sadly while this was the intent and plan most likely when this was filmed, this was done away with not of Trion's own choosing.Quote:
3:34 "Defiance is on PC, PS3 and X360 Massive event to allow all of these platforms to play
simultaniously inside one MMO universe"
And it's what you'll get, it's a work in progress constantly as it is an evolving story much like the show.Quote:
THAT IS THE DEFIANCE WE WANT!
Umm i like your sarcastic reply but i don't blame you since what i did post is obvious to make a statement such as yours. While i do agree 100% the game isn't close to being finished. I'm use to this sorta stuff when it comes to MMOs. They never ever finish the game 100% cause to many elements behind the game can change on a dime depending on the game of course. Start off small, and evolve the game as the Days/Weeks and months pass. Defiance will get to that point in the coming months. While yes we all did pay are hard own cash for this stuff but that's just how MMO's go man sadly. Yet its already starting to happen with the devs already confirming tons of changes in the works that will help improve the very nature of the game in and of itself. This is why all these complaints don't bother me. I've been through way to many MMO in my time and while a lot have had there content up and ready to go with from day 1. There has been others I've been part off that started off extremely SLOW and then got better over the months. Defiance will be one of those MMO's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzalin
$400 eh? I'm pushing about $515 here, but I'm not sweatin' or regretin' it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzalin
No offense , but if youve been happy enough to spend that much then why complainQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozzalin
And if youve been so unhappy with it so far, why the heck would you have spent so much after the initial game purchase? Theres been problems since the beginning and we all know theyre not going to be ironed out over night. Why not stop at 250$ ?..., 300$? You obviously like what youve got in your hands enough to keep going and going and going. Cant blame trion or get mad at them that youve spent 400 dollars on a game thats state has been appearent since launch.
I am simply fed up man, spending BIG bucks on products that are advertising what IS in the game...Quote:
Originally Posted by Buruko
Only to find out later that it is actually NOT in the game, and that we will have to spend more (DLC etc) to get more content and wait for months to start to see tiny little changes drop by drop, over the course of like 3 - 5 years...
Buruko, if i go buy anything at a store (Product ) and i bring it back home, and after i open the box, i find out that the product i just bought has been "half assembled" i will return it to the store, and demand another one that is "Fully Assembled" as i paid for it, and i saw in the ad that they showed me what that product was for me to buy it in the 1st place.
If the guy at the counter says to me: "Ooooh no no, sir, it is the right product, you just have to wait 3 months to a year before they start to ship you the pieces you need as advertised, hehe you see?"
Do you seriously think i will say " Ooooh well OK!! -giggles- :) "
Then go back to my house and wait??
Because that is what you would do right?
I am not regretin' it either, since i'm here since the Alpha test, but what i'm saying is that, when i buy something because videos, or ads i saw told me it will be THIS, when i get it, and i receive only THAT, something is wrong, but since it seems to be now, VERY common around the gaming industry, we should all just sit back and say nothing about it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Buruko
That is why companies always only do that kind of false marketing inside virtual worlds man,
Because they cannot do that with real physical products, sold in real physical stores as they know too well, that the next morning, everyone will be back at the store in a massive line-up to ask for a refund or exchange.
This has to change.
When we buy a product, no matter if its virtual goods, games and mmos...
We have to get what was advertised at 1st, inside the original package,
And not months later with additional fees.
Or...
Then to all those companies, simply make your ads the right way, and tell the truth to all your customers, saying : " Most of what you see here, and what we are promising you in this game will be implemented LATER over the course of (Amount of time)
So what you will buy at 1st, will be the basics only".
And that's it, not complicated, honest and everyone is happy.
I can't take this seriously. I know you had an edit saying you said are instead of our, but then you used too instead of to and even in the edit you said " when I real meant" instead of "really meant."Quote:
Originally Posted by CapN CooK 420
Who knows when episode missions are coming. We're not lied to, we're just constantly disappointed as nothing is actually coming out as planned. And the content we have is meh. Play something else for now, come back later. Might wanna lay off the herb until you can spell/type better as well. Just sayin'.
I like you Bleu, man.Quote:
Originally Posted by bleuzarro
You actually very well described the general felling that is growing more and more as weeks are passing by.
And yes it is kinda sad and dissapointing same time, as we do not know why everything has come to an halt.
Would be very nice if like, i don't know Sledge, Dizzy or someone else could explain a bit more to us, not going into tiny details, but in general, at least what is going on as we speak regarding the state of the game itself.
Explaining if this is it for a while, DLC in like 3 months, and Playable episode missions only next year, why did they remove more that 3/4 of what we had in the microstore during beta, and will it stays like that. That kind of things.
That would be greatly appreciated honestly.
They yanked everyone's chain about it being an MMO too..Karma is happening as we speak.
You need a pizza dude ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzalin
Honnestly, remember when I was like "WTF ? Is that all of the content ?" in Alpha and Athelan and I had a little fight ? I knew the game wasn't worth 60$ (content-wise) though I still bought it because the game itself is great and I bet on what it can be.
I can't blame Trion for this, I chose to bet and have still hope (though not holding my breath, it's a matter of months ;) )
I see an Ep1 and Ep2 pursuit. So far, there have been 2 episodes. (Yes, the pilot was 1 episode, not 2.)
i only expect episode missions for razor rain etc nothing else really i was hoping volge attack to be at end of season and have us implemented in an episode mission to help around that but atm its character building
I can't speak for anyone else, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but personally I figured by the way they were talking that there would have been a decent bit more than what we've seen so far regarding new content and crossover between show and game. If they have all this awesome stuff, shouldn't they be pushing some of it out early to hook us and make it seem impressive to people? If they are going to have some down time between updates I would figure later in the season. I think it's disappointing personally and probably not a good sign of how the whole season will go. A few pursuits for a few weeks in a 12-13 week tv show season? Not that impressive, but that's just me.