So it seems like we just took every paper currency, and standardized it?
So now a say...100 US dollar bill, and a 20 Canadian Dollar bill are both 1 Scrip.
is that fairly accurate?
also....do we have any clue what happened to Coin currency?
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So it seems like we just took every paper currency, and standardized it?
So now a say...100 US dollar bill, and a 20 Canadian Dollar bill are both 1 Scrip.
is that fairly accurate?
also....do we have any clue what happened to Coin currency?
No, pretty sure it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMadFour
Since all the established countries became wrecked overnight and global trade got axed the old currencies had no value anymore and a new one was created.
Who likes to carry around tons of change?Quote:
Originally Posted by JMadFour
I don't. All I do is collect it and buy cigarettes with it when I run out of paper money.
Guess people got more practical when the world came a lot closer to it's end.
well, yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgreen
but what I am saying is that they created this new currency and decided to use all old currencies equally for it, rather than physically create a new piece of currency.
meaning a physical 20 dollar bill doesn't have more value than a physical 1 dollar bill. they are all 1 Scrip each.
so say, if you were giving someone 20 scrip, you wouldn't give them a 10 Scrip bill, and 2 5 Scrip bills. You'd give him 20 pieces of paper money, and regardless of what the piece of currency says on it, it's 1 scrip each under the new currency system.
a more extreme example, someone could use Monopoly Money as scrip, and it would have just as much value in Scrip as an actual dollar bill does, for instance.
Not sure if they use old Earth currency, but we do have E-Rep currency. Scrip is said to be accepted anywhere but its weird that the VC would accept E-Rep currency...
http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...23449461_n.jpg
so the E-Rep currency is not Scrip, right? it's something else, unique to the E-Rep territory?
and Scrip is the Universal Currency for pretty much the rest of the country, right?
what I am trying to figure out here, is what exactly the Scrip is. what it consists of. what is being used as Scrip.
Is it old paper money from the pre-Votan days? is it new paper money, printed by the E-Rep? when my Arkhunter does a job and gets paid in scrip, what exactly is being given to him, lore-wise?
or what?
Scrip would appear to be the universally accepted currency, probably represented by those E-Rep notes (given they feature not only English/Human print, but also Votan languages)
I got an answer from one of the Defiance Lore Guys to my question on Twitter:
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Brian Alexander @hotshtako 9h
Fitting 5000 years of Votan history into 43 minutes is like condensing The Dark Tower for Twitter. Lots more mytho on the way! #defiance
@jmadfour 6h
@hotshtako How about one of the #Defiance Loremasters come to the Forums and explain the nuances of the Currency system in the New Earth?
Brian Alexander @hotshtako 16m
@jmadfour Well... Scrip is backed by the e-rep. Some people don't trust it, so barter in goods and gulanite is still popular #imnoeconomist
@jmadfour 10m
@hotshtako so basically Scrip is a paper currency printed by the E-Rep? #defiance
Brian Alexander @hotshtako 8m
@jmadfour yup
Brian Alexander @hotshtako 10m
@jmadfour Gulanite makes Defiance valuable to E-Rep. Necessary for their economy and construction of the maglev train
I'm not sure that's accurate...Quote:
Originally Posted by JMadFour
Script is like the US Dollar. It's spendable everywhere
Salvage is like the Canadian Dollar. It's useless
more goodies.
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John Madison @jmadfour 12m
@hotshtako so the "Ark Salvage" currency that we have in game, is that Gulanite, or is that just a "Goods" barter?
Brian Alexander @hotshtako 3m
@jmadfour More of a "goods" - salvaged Votan tech (votech) you can use to modify guns. gulanite's a fuel source
If you were correct, why would Luke have this hidden? It would be with his pennies as a collectable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgreen
http://gyazo.com/58cca389d8af2643fd9...png?1366697033
that's scrip. My question is why is the image of europe and Africa part of the globe on the 10 if the earth republic is the North east section of the US and Parts of Ontario?
http://gyazo.com/35d92f7dc5d37f2710b...png?1366829475
I don't see any US currency there. A quick google search says it isn't Canadian either. It looks more similar to E-Rep currency. You can see the Earth and for all motto on the currency matching the picture linked in this thread above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderclap
In response to your edit: It is a picture of the Earth. I don't think where it is centered is relevant.
Actually it is. You always place something of revelance on your money. The 5 has the e-rep seal on it. So why not this?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bGzlWcUd7b...y+Room+-+2.jpg That has the actual location of e-rep on it. Unless they are not telling us something.
It is the EARTH CURRENCY. It is an image of Earth. I think it being centered somewhere other than the United States helps to solidify it is a currency for Earth's people, and not an American currency. E-Rep may be situated in North America but it is meant to represent humanity and Earth's natural denizens as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderclap
The actual E-Rep seal has both hemispheres on it, that big picture of Africa is probably just on the ten... E-rep bucks note and other values may have different ones, like Lincoln or Washington on fives and ones
The only reason Luke had his scrip hidden was to hide it from his father, either because he really was trying to get away from Defiance or because he was up to some shady stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderclap
As far as the image of the globe... We don't yet know what state the rest of the world is in, but I'm willing to bet that the Earth Republic has a presence in countries other than North America. ;)
Also E-Rep was formed by the United Nations, which consists of a buck load of more countries other than the US. Also, North America is a massive bit of land, like Europe-Asia, and Africa. So no reason to think they're much worse or better off than those in the US.
And as Korben Reynolds points out...It is EARTH - Republic after all.
PS: Thanks for sharing those tweets clearing up the OPs question
The coin part was answered in the show.. they say something similar to "my brother always thought it was funny to collect coins, said the copper was worth more than the coin itself".
So there is your answer.. no one would carry around copper coins because copper is more valuable as a metal then as a currency.
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Originally Posted by JMadFour
Great to have some official answers, thanks for this! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JMadFour
That's called Handwaving. You are trying to explain away why there is an inconsistency without proof. You are correct that the E-rep supposed to represent earth. You are aware that The International Court of Justice (French: Cour internationale de Justice; commonly referred to as the World Court or ICJ) is the primary judicial organ of the United Nations. It is based in the Peace Palace in The Hague, Netherlands. It isn't in NYC. If it wasn't for the fact that the US donated a chunk of NYC for the building of the UN Building that would be there too. You know why its here? To monitor them. But UN is just a group of diplomats who gather and gripe and make resolutions that countries ignore if they don't like them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Johnson
If the E-rep was truly international, they could have went anywhere. Like Antarctica, which is supposed to be a paradise. Without the ice, Antarctica is as big as Australia. Entirely new cities could be build. Yet, they stay in what is left of NYC and the North east?
There is more story there.
(or the sadder thing: the loremasters are idiots who don't understand basic science and architecture. Asked one about why the arch got pushed up. He said it was torn from its foundations. Yea, it can't be or it wouldn't stand. And before you whine, I am a published author. [PM me if you want my books link on Amazon or google play/ Itunes]. If you write fantasy, You get all the leg room you want. When you write sci-fi based now, and use real places. I will point out your flaws because you should be doing serious research. Internet makes it easy to not look stupid. I didn't ask for him to understand how to place a statue just that the entire thing has to rise. Seriously hoping for Eureka, but that isn't going to happen)
So does anyone who went to SWSX or the convention where they got the hellbug plushies got any?Quote:
Originally Posted by OldGuyWithStick
Or it his mad money, he does notwant his brother going into his wallet to buy cigs, it is all his christmas money from his mommy. Hey I hid money away from my family when I was teen and now from my wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korben Reynolds
PS. Just because Thunder clap is "Published" author gives him no authority over someone else universe. I can pt to other published authors (david weber) who have bad science in them. Now if he was writer for the series, he would be an authority.
I was at SXSW, it was really hard to get a plushy. By the time I found their booth (it was outside, not even on the main floor) they didn't haz any.
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Originally Posted by Thunderclap
There is no inconsistency. You're simply nitpicking.Quote:
You are trying to explain away why there is an inconsistency without proof.
I think to answer the question. Scrip is paper currency printed by E Rep and backed back valuable resources such as gulanite. Just as American money is backed by gold.
The world largely operates off scrip and bartering.
Also the VC take the scrip currency because the VC are officially a part of the UN or were at some point. Also why the jek do the Votans have only 5000 years of history and obtained space travel while humans have a much longer history. 6000 years of written history and much much more oral history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recorded_history
Actually that globe above would be incorrect if you check out the wiki. E-Rep only has control over some parts of East coast (which was depicted in the E-rep currency's globe). West coast is largely frontiers and contolled by various groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderclap
The globe on the currency might very well be correct as E-Rep might actually control the Atlantic and Europe as well (which was not depicted in the series).
E-Rep when it was formed was the UN. As of today, they contain 193 countries and the Votan makes 194.Quote:
Originally Posted by aRtFuL
Which is pretty much what I am saying - America in Defiance's timeline is pretty much wasteland. Only Eastern seaboard really has heavy concentration civilized areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
See map below:
http://en.defiance-wiki.com/wiki/ima...th_America.jpg
So technically Western seaboard is not really their center of influence, thus make the map on the currency correct.