End game?

This article was not written by me. I do agree with the person that wrote this article.

There has been a lot of talk about the lack of Defiance end game. Originally I was quite optimistic on this topic seeing that Trion has mmo experience with RIFT and that prior to launch we already knew that 5 DLC packs were already in the works. But now we are quickly closing in on one month since release and are seeing no signs that there is any plans for any type of end game. And for those of us who were extremely excited for Defiance this is very disheartening. Not only has the “transmedia synergy” been a colossal disappointment thus far but the Defiance game is quickly losing its grip on its audience because players are not being given any reason to keep playing the game.

Now I personally had assumed that I would be enthralled by the Defiance world for at least the duration of the first season of the TV show. Unfortunately I find myself logging in less and less frequently and now have even begun looking for some different games to play. And considering how long I’ve been excited for this game and how confident I was that the game would be a huge success, this is not a situation I ever imagined myself to be in. I will be hanging tough until at least the first DLC pack but Trion needs to realize that the game is in trouble and without some immediate attention their playerbase is going to begun shrinking in a real hurry.

Get it together Trion, we all want this experiment to be a huge success but you can’t simply expect us all to keep playing just because there is a TV show. Right now there is absolutely zero connection between the two mediums and the whole “transmedia synergy” is turning into smoke and mirrors. We need a real reason to continue playing the game and right now you just aren’t giving us one.

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Originally Posted by stp007

This article was not written by me. I do agree with the person that wrote this article.

There has been a lot of talk about the lack of Defiance end game. Originally I was quite optimistic on this topic seeing that Trion has mmo experience with RIFT and that prior to launch we already knew that 5 DLC packs were already in the works. But now we are quickly closing in on one month since release and are seeing no signs that there is any plans for any type of end game. And for those of us who were extremely excited for Defiance this is very disheartening. Not only has the “transmedia synergy” been a colossal disappointment thus far but the Defiance game is quickly losing its grip on its audience because players are not being given any reason to keep playing the game.

Now I personally had assumed that I would be enthralled by the Defiance world for at least the duration of the first season of the TV show. Unfortunately I find myself logging in less and less frequently and now have even begun looking for some different games to play. And considering how long I’ve been excited for this game and how confident I was that the game would be a huge success, this is not a situation I ever imagined myself to be in. I will be hanging tough until at least the first DLC pack but Trion needs to realize that the game is in trouble and without some immediate attention their playerbase is going to begun shrinking in a real hurry.

Get it together Trion, we all want this experiment to be a huge success but you can’t simply expect us all to keep playing just because there is a TV show. Right now there is absolutely zero connection between the two mediums and the whole “transmedia synergy” is turning into smoke and mirrors. We need a real reason to continue playing the game and right now you just aren’t giving us one.

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i agree i was looking forward to this game and when i got beta invite it made me look forward to it even more i even pre-ordered the collectors from game and got season pass but right now it seems there is no reason to play ego rating doesnt make a difference so there is no real reason to even bother grinding to get that up, pvp has no reward for even doing so due to the profile still in the "coming soon" and the outfit rewards u cant get because of the pursuit bug and capture and hold not even being in the game. Arkfalls are only useful for keycodes and gear in this game doesnt even seem to make a difference and the instances are only good for keycodes and there just to easy and u can just rush through them.

Before anyone says about grind ego to get ur perks the perks are even pointless because they dont seem to make any difference to pve and pvp because it never ever changes and the last episode tie in was ok but was pretty much over quick i know trion have issues with the game to sort out but they also got to think of keeping people interrested in playing the game for there fixes to even have a point i use to play alot untill a few days ago when i just started to find it all abit pointless now i just go on to do my contracts and then log off. even the contracts im finding pointless because the rep stuff is well gear and gear doesnt do anything for pvp and pve when everyone is basicly on par and the game doesnt rise in difficulty to the extent that u even need the gear.

Here's the thing about DLC. If they don't space it out enough they will run into many problems. For example...

There are system bugs and stability issues that need to be ADDRESSED FIRST. If they fail to do this, people will complain about the fluff being more important than the core game. They lose.

If the dlc comes out too fast, people will complain about a lack of dlc later, or that it wasn't of value because of the release schedule. They lose.

If the dlc gets rolled out too close together, people will complain that there wasn't enough dlc because these two parts could have been one part as they were so close together. They lose.

If they release it without bullet-proofing it, complaints will roll in about how the quests are bugged, weapons are broken, etc. etc. They lose.

If it comes too fast, people will complain that it should have been part of the base game since it was ready to go. They lose.

Basically, no matter what they do, they'll piss someone off because they want it THEIR WAY. So, they need to stick with their schedule and fix things that are important first. You'll get your DLC when it is ready to be rolled out in a proper fashion.

These are problems with dlc in general. The problems are perpetuated by kids with entitlement issues who want what they want NOW, NOW, NOW, without realizing what it is they are demanding. Unfortunately everyone has a different demand, so they conflict a lot, and it ends up a bunch of folks demanding more.

I'll stick with what is, and not play the game based on future promises. Live for the moment and all that. :p

does wow have an end game? we are only 2 tv episodes in and you are disappointed in the tv show/game synergy...please

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Originally Posted by RevJynxed

Here's the thing about DLC. If they don't space it out enough they will run into many problems. For example...

There are system bugs and stability issues that need to be ADDRESSED FIRST. If they fail to do this, people will complain about the fluff being more important than the core game. They lose.

If the dlc comes out too fast, people will complain about a lack of dlc later, or that it wasn't of value because of the release schedule. They lose.

If the dlc gets rolled out too close together, people will complain that there wasn't enough dlc because these two parts could have been one part as they were so close together. They lose.

If they release it without bullet-proofing it, complaints will roll in about how the quests are bugged, weapons are broken, etc. etc. They lose.

If it comes too fast, people will complain that it should have been part of the base game since it was ready to go. They lose.

Basically, no matter what they do, they'll piss someone off because they want it THEIR WAY. So, they need to stick with their schedule and fix things that are important first. You'll get your DLC when it is ready to be rolled out in a proper fashion.

These are problems with dlc in general. The problems are perpetuated by kids with entitlement issues who want what they want NOW, NOW, NOW, without realizing what it is they are demanding. Unfortunately everyone has a different demand, so they conflict a lot, and it ends up a bunch of folks demanding more.

I'll stick with what is, and not play the game based on future promises. Live for the moment and all that. :p

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Very insightful post apart from one thing no one said anything about them bringing the dlc out now and yea they will piss someone off no matter what they do so explain to me this...

games been out sometime and yet there is still no capture and hold which is ment to be in the game, pursuits are still not working and they havent since the start of the game so how is there schedule doing anything to these two problems yes we know there is lots and lots of other issues they need to fix but these two issues might give some people something to do.. so i ask again explain to me this.

Why have they twice done a fix for capture and hold on the EU servers when we cant even play it how about they tell us why its out of the game fix it then put it in game not patch it twice tell us they have patched it twice and then still leave it out of the game thats like saying "hey i fixed ur car but ur not going to have it back and we aint going to tell you why".

Also it doesnt take dlc to make the gear worth even bothering to get and there is lots of things they could add in patchs that dont take dlc to implament and also why was u making it sound like dlc is a limited thing they must stop after so many.. didnt u watch the live stream before release? they made a deal with microsoft to not have to stick to the usual so many dlcs before u have to release a new game to add stuff

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Originally Posted by Pace122004

does wow have an end game? we are only 2 tv episodes in and you are disappointed in the tv show/game synergy...please

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Are you new to mmo's ? lol.. Of course it does, they are called raids.

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Originally Posted by KOLZ

Are you new to mmo's ? lol.. Of course it does, they are called raids.

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Are you new to Defiance? lol... Of course you are, it's not WoW.

Anywho, back on topic...

The truth is that there won't be a whole lot of synergy between the show and the game for the first season? Why? Because the first season has already been filmed. Plus the game is bug/glitch ridden and that needs to be addressed first.

All I can say is be patient. The content will come... eventually.

If you want to pop something else in for a bit, go for it. I love this game but I am totally fine with doing something else for a while while it works out it's kinks.

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Originally Posted by GodSpark

Are you new to Defiance? lol... Of course you are, it's not WoW.

The truth is that there won't be a whole lot of synergy between the show and the game for the first season? Why, for one the first season has already been filmed. Plus the game is bug/glitch ridden and that needs to be addressed first.

All I can say is be patient. The content will come... eventually.

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lol actually I wasn't saying anything about defiance at all. A question like does wow have end game isn't something that can be ignored though. :P I just picked up defiance today so I don't any major opinions on it one way or the other but from what I seen so far it looked good enough to buy.

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Originally Posted by GodSpark

Are you new to Defiance? lol... Of course you are, it's not WoW.

The truth is that there won't be a whole lot of synergy between the show and the game for the first season? Why, for one the first season has already been filmed. Plus the game is bug/glitch ridden and that needs to be addressed first.

All I can say is be patient. The content will come... eventually.

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Why do people keep thinking the only way defiance can have an end game is if the show tells it to.. christ man its a tie in to the show not a ride along they could easy add end game to defiance without it effect the show ive said on a post before u go against the leader of the raiders but in a easy 4 man instance which u can do half way through the game that would of been a perfect end game if made harder and more rewarding and at the end of the game.. another nim was what people are calling the end of the game (which frankly the end game should be once ur maxed in ego but what ever) and he was in a solo not that hard instance he aswell could of made a great end game boss..

So stop justifying end game with the damn series

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Originally Posted by Jackaleffect

Why do people keep thinking the only way defiance can have an end game is if the show tells it to.. christ man its a tie in to the show not a ride along they could easy add end game to defiance without it effect the show ive said on a post before u go against the leader of the raiders but in a easy 4 man instance which u can do half way through the game that would of been a perfect end game if made harder and more rewarding and at the end of the game.. another nim was what people are calling the end of the game (which frankly the end game should be once ur maxed in ego but what ever) and he was in a solo not that hard instance he aswell could of made a great end game boss..

So stop justifying end game with the damn series

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Where did I say that the only possible end game content could/would be the show?The TC asked about the connection with the show, so I talked about it. I didn't realize I had to discuss every single facet of the OP at once.

So stop making assumptions and putting words in my mouth.