SOOOO chat still SUCKS

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Originally Posted by Antimony

Also, Defiance is not an MMO, it is a TPS - big difference.
If you want an MMO with MMO-like features you would have to play WoW, SWTOR, etc.

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Here you go, bub.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive...er_online_game


It is definitely an MMO. A very sloppy one but an MMO nevertheless.
Just because it has third person shooting mechanics doesn't disqualify it from being an MMO. You're throwing abbreviations around without knowing a ****ing thing about them in the first place.

MMO or not, it won't change the fact that this game is an unpolished turd.

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Originally Posted by MrEllis

There seems to be a mutual understanding between us players and the devs that chat is horrible. I suspect it will change from it's current form. Hopefully, drastically.

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The real question though is "what kind of company builds an MMO, which is by nature a social game, without a way to communicate with fellow players?"

How does a company even allow this to happen and how does it escape repair for so far a month after release?

Look at the chat in any online MMO and there is a chat window that can be sized by the player to show as much or as little as they want to. There is a general or world chat, a local chat, a party/group chat, a clan/guild chat. Each chat channel is on a tab that the player can "click on" (yea Trion, PC players use Windows by a company called Microsoft, you may have heard of them)

I'd love to hear the logic used here. they said "hey lets be different and not have a chat, just a voice system that only works if the player is grouped AND no "push to talk!" Awesome design concept! How did this trash get approved by Trion Management?

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Originally Posted by NirvanaDest

The real question though is "what kind of company builds an MMO, which is by nature a social game, without a way to communicate with fellow players?"

How does a company even allow this to happen and how does it escape repair for so far a month after release?

Look at the chat in any online MMO and there is a chat window that can be sized by the player to show as much or as little as they want to. There is a general or world chat, a local chat, a party/group chat, a clan/guild chat. Each chat channel is on a tab that the player can "click on" (yea Trion, PC players use Windows by a company called Microsoft, you may have heard of them)

I'd love to hear the logic used here. they said "hey lets be different and not have a chat, just a voice system that only works if the player is grouped AND no "push to talk!" Awesome design concept! How did this trash get approved by Trion Management?

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The logic they used was "people are going to use voice so we don't need to worry too much about text chat."

While this may be fine on the consoles, on the PC developers have a very hard time successfully telling players "no." Is your game not available in a region? Pirate. Does your game not have voice chat built in? Teamspeak. Do you not want a single hotkey to do sixteen things due to balance reasons? Hotkey. Do you want everyone to see the game the same way? Sweetfx/modding.

It's just not something a developer can escape. So, while the developers are well within their rights to develop with the assumption people would use the ingame voicechat-- its poor implementation at start sent people to teamspeak/vent anyway (not that they wouldn't go there no matter what) and the weaknesses of Defiance's text chat were even more apparent.

Now a month and a week have passed, it's unlikely even the greatest text chat in the history of text chat will have much influence: players have already gotten used to playing this game as massively single-player. Fancy text chat won't do anything for us until they give us something where the old playstyle just isn't an option anymore.

Has anyone from the development team or their forum lackeys actually made a legitimate comment on this situation? PC is ****ing dying and they don't seem to give a ****.

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Originally Posted by NirvanaDest

The real question though is "what kind of company builds an MMO, which is by nature a social game, without a way to communicate with fellow players?"

How does a company even allow this to happen and how does it escape repair for so far a month after release?

Look at the chat in any online MMO and there is a chat window that can be sized by the player to show as much or as little as they want to. There is a general or world chat, a local chat, a party/group chat, a clan/guild chat. Each chat channel is on a tab that the player can "click on" (yea Trion, PC players use Windows by a company called Microsoft, you may have heard of them)

I'd love to hear the logic used here. they said "hey lets be different and not have a chat, just a voice system that only works if the player is grouped AND no "push to talk!" Awesome design concept! How did this trash get approved by Trion Management?

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Rough and cruel, but true. I guess every time someone thought about bringing the subject, they made the rule of 2 consoles, versus 1 computer. Console wins.

Agreed, the chat system completely sucks, not managed to chat with anyone at all even when there are large groups of players at arkfalls and towns etc.

This is basically a solo game with some co-op added on, if I wanted that, then I'd go and play CoD etc. I want an MMO!!!!

How the hell do people join clans if they can't chat? (excluding the people on XBox or PS3 Group channels ofc)

Frustrating is not the word!!!

Cheers

Draconis (in game name feel free to send me a chat message, would be nice to know if it actually works lol)

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Originally Posted by Antimony

Also, Defiance is not an MMO, it is a TPS - big difference.
If you want an MMO with MMO-like features you would have to play WoW, SWTOR, etc.

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Actually, defiance is a MMOTPS. So no, not big difference. They advertised it as a third person shooter first and an mmo second, however that does not excuse that they pretty much failed on both parts.

I didn't log in today

I didn't talk to anyone else about the game today either.

Because chat still sucks.

Well I am ASSuming chat still sucks since I have not logged in this week I can say first hand if chat still sucks but I bet it does.

So how long do you think it will be before anyone at trion with decision making power pulls his/her/its head out of their backside and fix chat?

Not that the chat is in need of serious lovin' dev style, but you're logging into a shooter to chat? Hmmm. I guess I've seen everything this vast and wonderful interweb haz to offer.

You would need content in the game that is enough of a challenge to warrant me having to chat with you. As it is now every objective in this game is the same... kill everything. If you can't figure out a boss fight for the first time within honestly 5min, you need to go play some more Mega Man and realize if it glows you shoot it. Aside from that, I honestly don't see any reason for communication AT ALL in this game.

I can't wait til Trion actually focuses on fixing PC chat.
I often see chat too late to respond because I'm focusing on killing a mob.

One of the major chat problems is that chat (group chat) gets eaten. My g/f and I group up a lot and its really hard to have a decent conversation via chat because our chat wont appear. We end up using Skype. Also, not everyone can use voice chat -- especially those that don't want to bother their families or if you are gaming late night and people in the household are sleeping.

The ingame VOIP is just too annoying. You have random people swearing or having personal conversations. My household doesn't need to be tormented by foul or vulgar language.

Lol - They still haven't fixed chat?

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Originally Posted by Blak

You would need content in the game that is enough of a challenge to warrant me having to chat with you. As it is now every objective in this game is the same... kill everything. If you can't figure out a boss fight for the first time within honestly 5min, you need to go play some more Mega Man and realize if it glows you shoot it. Aside from that, I honestly don't see any reason for communication AT ALL in this game.

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You friend are the antichrist go away.

So what you are saying is the game should not even be an MMO it should be a single player offline game right?

I don't play single player games anymore be they offline or online. I want a chat system that works that I can scale as I please or ignore if I please. As trollish as chat can be in any game on occasion, sometimes it is great fun to just read and watch.

GOOD chat BAD chat is part of an MMO and any MMO that does not have that element is not worth the time it takes to log in

THATS RIGHT

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Originally Posted by Blak

You would need content in the game that is enough of a challenge to warrant me having to chat with you. As it is now every objective in this game is the same... kill everything. If you can't figure out a boss fight for the first time within honestly 5min, you need to go play some more Mega Man and realize if it glows you shoot it. Aside from that, I honestly don't see any reason for communication AT ALL in this game.

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You friend are the antichrist go away.

So what you are saying is the game should not even be an MMO it should be a single player offline game right?

I don't play single player games anymore be they offline or online. I want a chat system that works that I can scale as I please or ignore if I please. As trollish as chat can be in any game on occasion, sometimes it is great fun to just read and watch.

GOOD chat BAD chat is part of an MMO and any MMO that does not have that element is not worth the time it takes to log in

THATS RIGHT at this time DEFIANCE is not worth the time it takes me to log in so I DO NOT LOG IN ANYMORE. Nor do I tell anyone I know anything about the game. I even went so far as to tell all my gaming buddies not to get the game at this time.

I like the game and the way it works it can be fun but not alone. LACK of chat makes the game very lonely and this will not change until the chat is "FIXED"..

I suspect that either people are tired of beating this dead horse or they simply don't bother with the game anymore.

It's disappointing to me because I like the game. I like the mechanics of it. But trion siply refuses to fix the major issues like busted arse chat.

SOOOOO does chat still suck. I suppose the game is still limping along with a significantly reduced server base these days.

I've not logged in for a couple of weeks and don't feel like bothering with the game without chat.

I haven't logged in for weeks either. Just can't bring myself to. Not even for morbid curiosity.

So I assume chat is still crap & nobody cares?

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Originally Posted by Kleptobrainiac

I haven't logged in for weeks either. Just can't bring myself to. Not even for morbid curiosity.

So I assume chat is still crap & nobody cares?

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They added some filters to the full chat window, and added annoying white text that says "push enter to chat" that never goes away.
The window is still small, clan chat still bugs out, whispering is still a pain in the ***. The chat text still disappears too quickly.

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

They added some filters to the full chat window, and added annoying white text that says "push enter to chat" that never goes away.
The window is still small, clan chat still bugs out, whispering is still a pain in the ***. The chat text still disappears too quickly.

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So chat does still suck.

Man I wish I had not bothered with this game. I could have found a better use for the $60.

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Originally Posted by Joe Snuffy

So chat does still suck.

Man I wish I had not bothered with this game. I could have found a better use for the $60.

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Pretty much.
Something so simple yet it's like they don't want to bother with it.

On the last episode of ATB they said they were working on improving the chat.

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Originally Posted by CoupDeGrace

On the last episode of ATB they said they were working on improving the chat.

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Yeah......they've been saying that since at least right after launch.

Did chat get fixed yet of does CHAT STILL SUCK

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Originally Posted by Joe Snuffy

Did chat get fixed yet of does CHAT STILL SUCK

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Still sucks.

I communicate with my car horn.

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Originally Posted by Lollie

I communicate with my car horn.

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Yeah I tap out Morse code.......but all the people around me tend to get in their cars/quads and drive away annoyed!

It seems to be a very good tool to clear the surrounding area :P...... So a SOS tapped out with the sound of your horn has the opposite desired effect:P

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Originally Posted by Schwa

That's the thing. We've had a month to settle into the game and get used to its (lack of) social features. We've learned how to do everything on our own, even the co-op missions.

If they could magically flip a switch and give us one of the best chat systems in the world tomorrow, would it make all that much of a difference? We've learned how to do everything in silence, so the new systems (though I'm sure they'd be used somewhat) would seem just sort of... tacked-on.

The game's convinced us we don't need it now, so why would we need it soon?

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Umm..for the record...-I- would use it. Welcome it. Hug it and squeeze it and name it George. I'd take the BESTEST care of it and feed it and walk it....

Can I please have a chat system similar to other MMO games? PLEASE??