MMO companys never learn

I like the game :) it is awesome! Cant wait till they have the next part of the missions out!

As was hinted on before, Defiance is a Shooter. WoW, Everquest, FFXIV, etc. are all RPGs. They play by different rules. Remove the MMO element from any of those games and see where they fall. The draw of games like CoD is not challenging PvE (though the missions are fun). The draw of any RPG is the gear grind and story and crazy end bosses. They are playing in two different sandboxes.

Can the raid idea cross into a shooter? Maybe, but there's no need to push it just because some people are confusing MMO with an MMORPG.

Defiance is a Shooter and im fine with that, there are crap load of other games out there with tons of raid, why dont you join one of them?

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Originally Posted by Redman20

Right now, i cant play the game for more than an hour before i get bored and play something else or watch Netflix.

I log on, go do a couple arkfalls, do an emergency or two, maybe level up a weapon on the Hulker, then scrap EVERY SINGLE PIECE of gear i found because it is no different than what i already have. Then think 'what now? I guess i could go finish all the side missions' but to what end? Get a thousand scrip or so, a few thousand XP.

Theres no strategy, no thinking, no ultimate goal but to grind an XP bar so....the number on your gun will be a little higher but be a carbon copy of the gun you had at the start of the game.

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this +1000
to make a balanced Third Person Shooter, the weapons and other gear do not have a real progression like other mmos. Because of this, there is no real difficult PvE/Coop because no weapon or gear will progress to help with the increase difficulty. (sorry if you dont understand what i see) but this is why i hate PvP.

an example... I got a blue TACC assault rifle at ego 250.. it was so good that i continued to use it until i was 800 ego. i only stopped using it because i realized that i couldnt level up my Assault rifle skill with the maxed out weapon.

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Originally Posted by Conneri

As was hinted on before, Defiance is a Shooter. WoW, Everquest, FFXIV, etc. are all RPGs. They play by different rules. Remove the MMO element from any of those games and see where they fall. The draw of games like CoD is not challenging PvE (though the missions are fun). The draw of any RPG is the gear grind and story and crazy end bosses. They are playing in two different sandboxes.

Can the raid idea cross into a shooter? Maybe, but there's no need to push it just because some people are confusing MMO with an MMORPG.

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There's no confusion, its a Shooter regarding game mechanics, setup differently only from COD (or any other shooter) concerning the MMO part(persistent world) but the MMO part means you need player longevity. there is no longevity concerns with your typical shooter ( which this game is based around) because a new game is always on the horizon.

"gear grind and story and crazy end bosses" this has little to do with RPG and more about player longevity, giving player a sense of advancement

If players want raids they can go to one of the million other games that have a raid endgame (yes all those games that seem to not be doing well despite this apparently magic formula for success according to OP) :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Conneri

As was hinted on before, Defiance is a Shooter. WoW, Everquest, FFXIV, etc. are all RPGs. They play by different rules. Remove the MMO element from any of those games and see where they fall. The draw of games like CoD is not challenging PvE (though the missions are fun). The draw of any RPG is the gear grind and story and crazy end bosses. They are playing in two different sandboxes.

Can the raid idea cross into a shooter? Maybe, but there's no need to push it just because some people are confusing MMO with an MMORPG.

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if i wanted to play a shooter that doesn't have mmo expectations, i would just play Borderlands Or Call of Duty...

with that being said,...at least Borderlands difficulty progresses with you as you level.

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Originally Posted by Armitage

^This. Those of us that were actually there in 1999 remember things like "xp/Level loss on death", corpse-runs to get the gear you dropped when you died, "race/class xp penalties", bosses with full immunities...a constant stream of stuff like "SoW plz" because there were no mounts or community portals...and how to deal with classes that were _actually_ op (pre-nerf Necro...). The ONLY way you could get around quickly is to actually befriend a Wizard or Druid and beg the only in-game ports available. Wanted to clear group content? Use chat for an hour or two, find a group with an opening, spend time traveling to find them and hope the healer didn't have to log for a while.

Modern MMOs ain't shtako.

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/ooc porting to PoSKy 5 mins at the nexus stone

Sometimes I really miss hardcore EQ, especially corpse runs.

"but but but Defiance is a shooter"

Yep. A shooter with an insane lack of content and nothing to do with a group that requires an IQ over 60. It's so bare bones anyone defending it is simply being dumb and blindly defending their purchase.

Defiance is a crappy tps. Defiance is a horrible mmo. Forget rpgs, they have nothing to do with why Defiance is so bad.

Trion, stick to co-ops. This game doesn't need raids.

Raids are just a barrier. Particularly for story and locations.

Why spend so much effort on creating pretty places and adding specific story KNOWING that only a fraction of people will see it.
Just because it's common in other MMOs doesn't mean you need to do it too.

Any "raid" type thing should be public. As in public raids, like, I dunno, ark falls, or maybe a street emergency where you have to take out 2-4 Hulkers.