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  • 05-02-2013, 07:42 PM
    JMadFour
    Between Defiance and Neverwinter..
    I'll never play a MMO with non-action based combat ever again.

    Tab-Target Auto-Attack Combat is dead to me.
  • 05-02-2013, 07:43 PM
    Schwa
    Considering how a majority of my own clan bailed this game to play Neverwinter, Perfect World must be making a killing off of this game.
  • 05-02-2013, 07:44 PM
    Lollie
    I would feel happier about this if they'd put local servers in the Oceanic region (NZ/Australia) instead of making us play with 300ms-380ms pings.

    Till they do, action games are a bit meh to me.
  • 05-02-2013, 07:46 PM
    Mutated Spleen
    I've only logged about 20 minutes into NVW so far...stupid server kicked me like a bad habit =/

    But I've enjoyed what little I have played, and I'm hoping I continue to like it. I can see a nice multigame dichotomy forming with Defiance for the pewpewpew alien murder fun and NVW for the hack'n'slash magic dragons fun.
  • 05-02-2013, 07:48 PM
    JMadFour
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mutated Spleen View Post
    I've only logged about 20 minutes into NVW so far...stupid server kicked me like a bad habit =/

    But I've enjoyed what little I have played, and I'm hoping I continue to like it. I can see a nice multigame dichotomy forming with Defiance for the pewpewpew alien murder fun and NVW for the hack'n'slash magic dragons fun.

    yup.

    and the action-based combat is so much more fun than traditional MMO style.

    that said, Neverwinter is currently down, nobody can connect to the patcher. (see, every launch game has problems!)

    thus, it is PewPewPew time.
  • 05-02-2013, 07:50 PM
    JMadFour
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Schwa View Post
    Considering how a majority of my own clan bailed this game to play Neverwinter, Perfect World must be making a killing off of this game.

    wonder how your clan feels about not being able to play tonight. maybe they fire up Defiance until Cryptic gets their shtako sorted out?

    that's my plan at least.
  • 05-02-2013, 07:52 PM
    Schwa
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JMadFour View Post
    wonder how your clan feels about not being able to play tonight. maybe they fire up Defiance until Cryptic gets their shtako sorted out?

    that's my plan at least.

    A few of them did. Most of them didn't.
  • 05-02-2013, 08:05 PM
    sciencefiction
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JMadFour View Post
    yup.

    and the action-based combat is so much more fun than traditional MMO style.

    that said, Neverwinter is currently down, nobody can connect to the patcher. (see, every launch game has problems!)

    thus, it is PewPewPew time.

    Yeah except Neverwinter hasn't officially released yet....it's in open Beta where players expect problems and server crashes.
  • 05-02-2013, 08:11 PM
    JMadFour
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sciencefiction View Post
    Yeah except Neverwinter hasn't officially released yet....it's in open Beta where players expect problems and server crashes.

    Please.

    when they start accepting payments, it stops being beta.

    If you can spend money on the game, then it is launched. I don't care about the "open beta" marketing.

    and I like the game, I'm not bashing it. I'm just saying that all launch MMOs have their issues.
  • 05-02-2013, 08:52 PM
    Wrenito
    When you can manage to log in, Neverwinter is a pretty descent game.
  • 05-02-2013, 08:57 PM
    Rasczak
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JMadFour View Post
    Please.

    when they start accepting payments, it stops being beta.

    If you can spend money on the game, then it is launched. I don't care about the "open beta" marketing.

    and I like the game, I'm not bashing it. I'm just saying that all launch MMOs have their issues.

    Yeah, but the difference is, then, at least Cryptic has said from the jump that it is an Open Beta.

    Whereas the Defiance team actually, seriously, considered this game retail ready.
  • 05-02-2013, 08:57 PM
    fatoldguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lollie View Post
    I would feel happier about this if they'd put local servers in the Oceanic region (NZ/Australia) instead of making us play with 300ms-380ms pings.

    Till they do, action games are a bit meh to me.

    Been done a couple of times, and failed miserably, doubt it will happen again unless the game is developed there.
  • 05-02-2013, 09:26 PM
    JMadFour
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rasczak View Post
    Yeah, but the difference is, then, at least Cryptic has said from the jump that it is an Open Beta.

    Whereas the Defiance team actually, seriously, considered this game retail ready.

    I can give you that one.
  • 05-02-2013, 09:26 PM
    Anatol
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Schwa View Post
    Considering how a majority of my own clan bailed this game to play Neverwinter, Perfect World must be making a killing off of this game.

    again troll troll troll :)do you know that your clan is not a diagram of global population in defiance you noob:)... BTW neverwinter is new and many people want to try it ..its FREE:) but as always many people will leave it after a timem and come back to their favorite MMO. Now neverwinter is taking players from every MMO.
  • 05-02-2013, 09:36 PM
    Cutlass Jack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rasczak View Post
    Yeah, but the difference is, then, at least Cryptic has said from the jump that it is an Open Beta.

    Whereas the Defiance team actually, seriously, considered this game retail ready.

    No the only real difference is Cryptic got hammered twice in the past for what they considered retail ready. So they slapped the 'Open Beta' disclaimer on to attempt to protect themselves somewhat for reviews.

    But they still consider their game worth taking your money over, and wont be doing any more character wipes. Thats a Launch no matter what they call it.
  • 05-02-2013, 09:38 PM
    JMadFour
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cutlass Jack View Post
    No the only real difference is Cryptic got hammered twice in the past for what they considered retail ready. So they slapped the 'Open Beta' disclaimer on to attempt to protect themselves somewhat for reviews.

    But they still consider their game worth taking your money over, and wont be doing any more character wipes. Thats a Launch no matter what they call it.

    agreed.

    (/10chars)
  • 05-02-2013, 09:46 PM
    shadowkin
    When i played tera for the first time that was my same reaction
  • 05-02-2013, 09:47 PM
    YakCast
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JMadFour View Post
    I'll never play a MMO with non-action based combat ever again.

    Tab-Target Auto-Attack Combat is dead to me.

    I have felt like that for a long time now. Welcome to the new age of gaming!
  • 05-02-2013, 09:49 PM
    Cutlass Jack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shadowkin View Post
    When i played tera for the first time that was my same reaction

    When I played Tera for the first time, I wondered if Chris Hansen was going to jump out. :rolleyes:
  • 05-02-2013, 09:49 PM
    FrostEffect
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Anatol View Post
    again troll troll troll :)do you know that your clan is not a diagram of global population in defiance you noob:)... BTW neverwinter is new and many people want to try it ..its FREE:) but as always many people will leave it after a timem and come back to their favorite MMO. Now neverwinter is taking players from every MMO.

    Where do you think he got his post count from xP ranting and complaining about defiance butthurt like his clan :/ sad shame. oh dang +1 post count on me noo T_T ha back to defiance.^-^
  • 05-02-2013, 09:50 PM
    fatoldguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by YakCast View Post
    I have felt like that for a long time now. Welcome to the new age of gaming!

    New age? even in games where tab targeting was the norm, it was usually a bad idea to actually use it, it was the quickest way to wipe a raid due to adds.
  • 05-02-2013, 09:50 PM
    Schwa
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Anatol View Post
    again troll troll troll :)do you know that your clan is not a diagram of global population in defiance you noob:)... BTW neverwinter is new and many people want to try it ..its FREE:) but as always many people will leave it after a timem and come back to their favorite MMO. Now neverwinter is taking players from every MMO.

    I'm very sorry you don't like my posts. Unlike Trion, however, I am not obligated to provide the highest satisfaction possible with my audience to earn my next paycheck.

    Even if you aren't concerned about my clan, you probably should look into how many other people in this thread have mentioned their clans have died due to Neverwinter or other causes. That should be more concerning to anyone that likes this game -- let alone Trion -- than anything else.
  • 05-02-2013, 09:53 PM
    fragilefox
    neverwinter is having some server issues, but they're still in beta. they've got about as much uptime as defiance did at launch - save for the fact that the moderators on the forums are transparent and do their best to make sure issues are dealt with as soon as possible. it's on its second day of open beta, and plays better than defiance does currently. this is no contest.
  • 05-02-2013, 09:56 PM
    fatoldguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fragilefox View Post
    neverwinter is having some server issues, but they're still in beta. they've got about as much uptime as defiance did at launch - save for the fact that the moderators on the forums are transparent and do their best to make sure issues are dealt with as soon as possible. it's on its second day of open beta, and plays better than defiance does currently. this is no contest.

    IMO as soon as a game starts accepting real money for items in their store they are no longer a beta.
  • 05-02-2013, 10:02 PM
    FrostEffect
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fragilefox View Post
    neverwinter is having some server issues, but they're still in beta. they've got about as much uptime as defiance did at launch - save for the fact that the moderators on the forums are transparent and do their best to make sure issues are dealt with as soon as possible. it's on its second day of open beta, and plays better than defiance does currently. this is no contest.

    I hate to say this but Perfect world in general is free to play, pay to win.. i see them going far for in the fact that 1~20 players will cash for their +12 gear and dominate pvp while the others leave after a few months for their private servers made. [Perfect World International prime example] when a game costs 200$ to win... its not a beta. when you have to purchase to get great (not good) its i dont see it in beta.
  • 05-02-2013, 10:18 PM
    fragilefox
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FrostEffect View Post
    I hate to say this but Perfect world in general is free to play, pay to win.. i see them going far for in the fact that 1~20 players will cash for their +12 gear and dominate pvp while the others leave after a few months for their private servers made. [Perfect World International prime example] when a game costs 200$ to win... its not a beta. when you have to purchase to get great (not good) its i dont see it in beta.

    pay to win? do some research.
  • 05-02-2013, 10:19 PM
    fragilefox
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fatoldguy View Post
    IMO as soon as a game starts accepting real money for items in their store they are no longer a beta.

    do what you like with your opinions, but the fact remains that it's in open beta.
  • 05-02-2013, 10:21 PM
    mcwjimbo
    neverwinter sucks

    i've returned to swtor while awaiting WildStar & Elder Scrolls Online though holding out a very small glimmer of hope that Defiance gets fixed
  • 05-02-2013, 10:21 PM
    jnt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fragilefox View Post
    do what you like with your opinions, but the fact remains that it's in open beta.

    Best "open beta" is still Path of Exile.

    Beta is over when you stop wiping characters. NW is a beta in name only afaik.
  • 05-02-2013, 10:22 PM
    fatoldguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jnt View Post
    Best "open beta" is still Path of Exile.

    Beta is over when you stop wiping characters. NW is a beta in name only afaik.

    Exactly, some people live in ignorance.
  • 05-02-2013, 10:25 PM
    Schwa
    I suppose the "solution" to this issue is Neverwinter is a released product and has the feature-set of a released game.

    Defiance is a released product still stuck at a beta level of functionality and continued support.
  • 05-02-2013, 10:25 PM
    Rasczak
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FrostEffect View Post
    Where do you think he got his post count from xP ranting and complaining about defiance butthurt like his clan :/ sad shame. oh dang +1 post count on me noo T_T ha back to defiance.^-^

    What. The. Hell???

    Is the education system in North Carolina really that bad?
  • 05-02-2013, 10:27 PM
    fragilefox
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jnt View Post
    Best "open beta" is still Path of Exile.

    Beta is over when you stop wiping characters. NW is a beta in name only afaik.


    agreed on path of exile, but following your logic, that renders a beta in name only as well.
  • 05-02-2013, 10:27 PM
    Schwa
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rasczak View Post
    What. The. Hell???

    Is the education system in North Carolina really that bad?

    As someone that lived in North Carolina for a few years, yes.

    Thank goodness I moved to Tennessee and got a real education. I wear shoes!
  • 05-02-2013, 10:27 PM
    fragilefox
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rasczak View Post
    What. The. Hell???

    Is the education system in North Carolina really that bad?

    LOL. I promise you it is.
  • 05-02-2013, 10:28 PM
    jnt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fragilefox View Post
    agreed on path of exile, but following your logic, that renders a beta in name only as well.

    "renders a beta" :D I want to know what you're talking about.
  • 05-02-2013, 10:30 PM
    FrostEffect
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fragilefox View Post
    pay to win? do some research.

    I have done research on perfect world. I've played perfect world. I've put 2grand into perfect world international myself. sorry to tell you but the company is pay to win. "free to play mmos" are pay to win games. pay zen to get in game currency to buy whatever the sh** you want? kay sir. point made. looked at NW cash shop. 18 of best items for 300$ hmmm your logic is invalid. the ones that are hardcore for "open beta" and purchase these will have an advantage and roll your a** day one to the point you or any other hardcore will be forced to do the same just to compete and so on. this is how perfect worlds makes their money. and do you know who these hardcore gamers are? egys 75% of the time.
  • 05-02-2013, 10:33 PM
    JMadFour
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jnt View Post
    Best "open beta" is still Path of Exile.

    Beta is over when you stop wiping characters. NW is a beta in name only afaik.

    when you stop wiping characters, and start accepting money, yup, it's launch.

    "Open Beta" has been turned into a marketing term. nothing more.
  • 05-02-2013, 10:43 PM
    Otaku
    Trying to play both but NW is stealing most of my time. Defiance has the original concept going for it but NW has one of the best things an MMO can do, "Player Created Content", so there will never be a lack of things to do as new content is uploaded everyday. As far as downtime I have heard that some people have had trouble with the patcher but I for one have not, this could be due to either host or server side having problems but it is not as rampant as the "patch error" Defiance suffered with its launch. NW also was not rushed to market like Defiance so they had a proper alpha, closed beta and are now going with a open beta/soft launch. If Trion can get it together soon they can keep up but if problems persist I'm afraid those that didn't leave for NW will leave for TES:OL and Defiance will be another great idea that just wasn't executed properly.
  • 05-02-2013, 10:56 PM
    JMadFour
    we're going on 4 hours of downtime in Neverwinter.

    c'mon Cryptic get it together, I got two straight days off to burn, and no money to go anywhere (except to see Iron Man 3)
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