Between Defiance and Neverwinter..

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Originally Posted by FrostEffect

I have done research on perfect world. I've played perfect world. I've put 2grand into perfect world international myself. sorry to tell you but the company is pay to win. "free to play mmos" are pay to win games. pay zen to get in game currency to buy whatever the sh** you want? kay sir. point made. looked at NW cash shop. 18 of best items for 300$ hmmm your logic is invalid. the ones that are hardcore for "open beta" and purchase these will have an advantage and roll your a** day one to the point you or any other hardcore will be forced to do the same just to compete and so on. this is how perfect worlds makes their money. and do you know who these hardcore gamers are? egys 75% of the time.

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The game is not P2W, the 18 items you get for $300 are all cosmetic. Unique mount, unique pet, flaming weapon enchantment, extra inv space and some clothes; all cosmetic. Now you do get 2m in in-game currency but from what I've seen anyone can farm that so it's more of a time saver and you'll need way more then that by endgame. The items that some people are saying are P2W in the cash shop ie max health potions and revive scrolls only work in PVE not PVP so not a big deal IMO. Also note that in-game currency can be traded for cash shop currency so no one has to spend actual cash, they just need to farm. In your logic even a game where you could use a 3rd party site to buy in-game currency would be P2W, people will always find a way to make things easier, they do not always "win"

I just find it funny that 2 supposedly F2P games are offering some nice stuff for "founders" program which on both games cost $200.

Neverwinter it's Being able to play a Renegade Drow and have a Drow Spider Mount
Marvel Heros - It's specific costumes for certain characters not obtainable by any other means and starting the game with essentially every hero/costume from the get go.

I'll stick with defiance and SWToR for the most part.

neverwinter it's a p2w, if you use $ for buy zen you will get huge advantage, like the fact to buy more crystal, get more bag, more bank slot.
you can get the crystal ingame, but it's 24.000 per day when you see some stuff are sold at the AH around 2.000.000, well you get the point.

me i'm waiting more FF14 and Wildstar, elder scroll i have a bad feeling about this one.

PWE (Neverwinter company, forget Cryptic they were just the workhorses, PWE is what makes the rules) is p2w - always has been and always will be. The cash shop prices are ridiculous, and you must pay for crafting items only available from cash shop if you want to make the only good things crafting makes, and you need to pay real money for the things that stop your enchantments breaking when you fuse them (can't fuse L60 enchantments at 1% chance to fuse without those cash shop items).

They just make the early game seem forgiving so you get hooked (they act like a drug dealer) then make endgame punishing and require a cash shop.

A half-designed game with substandard support, or pay 2 win. Talk about "pick your poison."

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Originally Posted by Schwa

A half-designed game with substandard support, or pay 2 win. Talk about "pick your poison."

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My approach is play Neverwinter entirely for free (don't spend a cent there), and play this game as well with the hopes they can make it right. Other than that, a couple other games in development (currently in beta, and mentioned in this thread) look like they might be of interest.

I decided to try Neverwinter today. After the excruciatingly slow download, I still haven't received the confirmation email to finish setting up my account.

The forums do not like the cash shop. You have to pay for respecs. Ugh.

My opinion of the differences is simple, defiance added three points of payment most games only have one or two, i am quite surprised there isnt a sub as well tbh.

Defiance:
client side content (completely hackable game)
Cash shop in game
Pay for game client
Pay for expansions

Neverwinter
Lag ( for me)
Cash shop in game
User created content
not claiming to be a retail version of game (even if its purely semantics at least they admit its not finished)

i thought this was giong to be a whine about downtime after tonight's issues in neverwinter.

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Originally Posted by Lollie

My approach is play Neverwinter entirely for free (don't spend a cent there), and play this game as well with the hopes they can make it right. Other than that, a couple other games in development (currently in beta, and mentioned in this thread) look like they might be of interest.

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in your 40's inventory begins to be a chore, even with 3 of the cash shop bags. they give you what? 16 bank slots?

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Originally Posted by Cutlass Jack

When I played Tera for the first time, I wondered if Chris Hansen was going to jump out. :rolleyes:

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Hey TERA was a great game despite all the lolicon/pedo ellin characters running all over the place :(

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Originally Posted by Dixa

i thought this was giong to be a whine about downtime after tonight's issues in neverwinter.

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Silly you, this isn't a month after Neverwinter's launch yet. It's not time for that.

I really don't like cryptic as a company, was burned by Champions and Star trek but after losing my love for defiance i decided to give neverwinter a go, its a proper blast for anyone that's wondering about playing. If you wanna send real money your gonna have an easier time getting stuff but you don't have to spend real money to get the stuff the real money people are getting. Its either spend real money for less work or work hard and earn it, i prefer to work hard. The player made content is awesome and its like playing someones book. The controls are simple yet fun and the community is all pretty nice so far.

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Originally Posted by Garu

If you wanna send real money your gonna have an easier time getting stuff but you don't have to spend real money to get the stuff the real money people are getting.

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This isn't true, as you will discover when you max level your character (L60).

In that game you will always be substandard without spending a lot of money in the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Lollie

This isn't true, as you will discover when you max level your character (L60).

In that game you will always be substandard without spending a lot of money in the cash shop.

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You can get zen without spending real money, like i said it just takes hard work to do so. I also havnt seen unbalanced pvp yet but i am only like level 30, but pvp isnt why im playing the game i am enjoying the PVE side of the game and im always first or 2nd on dmg done in dungeons. I dont need to spend any money to progress like i said, it makes it easier yes but thats how the company makes its money. Much better than SWTOR lol where i can only do 2? pvp matches a week and 2 dungeons and no raids unless i pay some money lol. I even bought SWTOR and stayed for a few months when it was released and nothing to show for it except a **** you very much.

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Originally Posted by Garu

but i am only like level 30

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This is why you haven't seen what that game is really about yet. It's PWE - look them up, they have a bad rep.

Neverwinter is a game that was created to make money on micro transactions. To be effective at end game, you'll be spending money.

Welcome to the world of f2p mmo's

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Originally Posted by Lollie

This is why you haven't seen what that game is really about yet. It's PWE - look them up, they have a bad rep.

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That could be true ill report back when i get there but on the bright side, at least there is an end game :)

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Originally Posted by Live2Reap

Hey TERA was a great game despite all the lolicon/pedo ellin characters running all over the place :(

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It was an okay game despite that, and it did have Popori. But EnMasse tried to pull some shady billing practices on me that caused some bad bad blood. Its not easy to make me feel more ripped off than I did buying a lifetime subrcription to a game that went F2P. But they managed. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Lollie

This is why you haven't seen what that game is really about yet. It's PWE - look them up, they have a bad rep.

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Just made it to level 30 and I know very well what you refer to ... uber companions from the shop and skill respecs costing something around 6$/€?

But it might have potential despite of that ... if they fix tanking, threat generation and taunts are badly balanced.

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Originally Posted by Cutlass Jack

and it did have Popori.

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You say this like it's a good thing. : P

NWO is way over-monetized. The game itself isn't good enough for me to see past that.

Sticking with Defiance until EQN Alpha probably.

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Originally Posted by Live2Reap

Hey TERA was a great game despite all the lolicon/pedo ellin characters running all over the place :(

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Ugh, Tera. That was the first MMO where I went levels and levels without even looking at my health. Just take a sidestep, watch the NPC play out its long animation, and pummel it from the side/back. So boring. That was the least "action", action-combat ever.

Oh, still waiting on my account activation. /sigh