Old-school gamers vs Next-gen gamers

So being a gamer that cut his teeth playing Pong on the atari at home and pumping quarter after quarter into the Galaga machine at the local mall's arcade, I've noticed what seems to be a sad trend on here. It seems that the majority (I won't say all because that wouldn't be legitimate) of people complaining about this game seem to be "Next-gen" gamers. My point being that the "Next-gen's" seem to expect that everything is handed to them in a game. Toss in any kind of challenge and suddenly the shtako has hit the fan. Most of the helpful replies are coming from "Old-school" gamers. No, I haven't posted a lot nor posted many replies but this is what I have noticed so far from reading through posts on here. Just happy to see that the "Old-schoolers" are still hanging in here and in most cases running circles around and the "Next-gen's".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDrRnJOCKZc

Still waiting for the patch for this game to take care of the bugs and glitches. :p

i am Next-gen gamer but i remember playing river city rampage on the nes, couldnt save progress or nothing just had to beat the game in one sitting, so you would get to the final boss and bam it would freeze. i would love to the ppl that constantly go on forums and complain about this game play something like that.

Sadly you are so right..These newer gamers have no patience and the second something doesn't go their way, they throw a temper tantrum. We are all frustrated when things go wrong but people need to learn to relax.

Agreed as well. People do complain too much and unfortunately society (gaming society) in order to sell big numbers of games has had to make things easier. Makes me wish for a Dark Souls/Demon's Souls MMO. THOSE two games are hard core and it would appear (though this is only my opinion and perception) that the "next gen kids" shy away from these types of games. Not all, but on a grand scale they do.

OH, and I'm not one to complain either but... I do wish they would AT LEAST fix the PS3 communication problem with our MICs... Just tossing that in there.

Next Gens and New Age pc(rs) are a sad thing in what once once considered a nerdy and taboo form of entertainment. Now every Timmy and Sally wants it now, now, now and if it presents a challenge it's the devs fault they can't adapt or form a new strategy to overcome something trivial as today's "difficult" games.

Me thinkse thee ope olde guye memorye ise gonee. Ignore the old grump. As kids we complained about games too.

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Originally Posted by DevilDog

Sadly you are so right..These newer gamers have no patience and the second something doesn't go their way, they throw a temper tantrum. We are all frustrated when things go wrong but people need to learn to relax.

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Semper Fi.

Old school looking to fight with a clan I'm either "thasprayer" or "putemdown1x" Bay Area Warriors

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Originally Posted by MacDeath

Semper Fi.

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Semper Fi!

Actually if your an old time gamer if think back we might of complained a lil cause we got stuck on a hard section of game but we would figure it out the state of gaming is becoming a very sad affair games are made alot easier to cater to this new age casual gamer bull people cry cause they spent a few hours farming something lol cry me a river i can remember spending months to farm one peice of gear now they want to just run outside and it magically drop on the first mob or we used to spend hours tring to figure out a section of game that seemed impossible and its was the worlds best thing when you finally figured it out now they just look it up on youtube where someone hands them the answer or cry its glitched or bugged or to hard the Internet killed games back in our days when a game was released it was almost perfect granted even then there was some that slipped thru but it wasnt to the state its in now why you ask cause everything can be patched or "fixed" after the release of the game they dont care, to me it makes these new age game companies look like crap back in our day a game would come out it had to be right or they would crash and burn cause they couldnt run up and go oh we will just patch that then players sit around waiting for a patch that will never be right cause one patch just leads to another then they try to cover up the patches with DLC content usually only to create new bugs and glitches to be patched starting the process over again till they bleed the game dry


sorry if there are any misspells im headed out the door for work and the rant :P

I agree. Been playing for 25 years now people on these forums act like spoiled brats.

You "old school" gamer seems to assume too many things and seem simple minded. how do you know who is and who is not and were do you draw the line. imo "old" gamers ruin the gaming for rest of us with your this is too hard because im old and slow threads. and now you understand what you sound like.

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Originally Posted by tw0sh0t2112

OH, and I'm not one to complain either but... I do wish they would AT LEAST fix the PS3 communication problem with our MICs... Just tossing that in there.

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you wish you could be like me, 11B. just kidding

These next gen gamers will never understand the real time it takes to really develop
A character and i swear these games today are so dumbed down I'm kinda disappointed
How i was able to be the first at a major arkfall and get it 3/4ths of the way done before anyone showed up
Just Saying

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Originally Posted by Strahd

So being a gamer that cut his teeth playing Pong on the atari at home and pumping quarter after quarter into the Galaga machine at the local mall's arcade, I've noticed what seems to be a sad trend on here. It seems that the majority (I won't say all because that wouldn't be legitimate) of people complaining about this game seem to be "Next-gen" gamers. My point being that the "Next-gen's" seem to expect that everything is handed to them in a game. Toss in any kind of challenge and suddenly the shtako has hit the fan. Most of the helpful replies are coming from "Old-school" gamers. No, I haven't posted a lot nor posted many replies but this is what I have noticed so far from reading through posts on here. Just happy to see that the "Old-schoolers" are still hanging in here and in most cases running circles around and the "Next-gen's".

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am proud to say that "I am an old-school gamer" also, but there are some of the glitches/bugs such as loosing my wpns not in the matrix, missions that cannot be completed (that has been resolved), resets, etc;. an yes I am pushed to the level of typing nasty, but I wont cause its not constructive or courteous, an imho shows ignorance an low brow intel...now I am a low brow, knuckle draging grunt, low middle class, mixed bread American (not to be confused with an Americant, you know the ones who take our taxes). I know freedom, an what freedom of speech means, an what it has cost. But Strahd, I know for a fact you will get troll flamed for this, but anywho I stand beside you olde timer with wpn at the ready. Slainte ~Defiance Lifer ~mJ~

I too am old school, I started with the commodore 64 and then Atari and up from there. There isn't a single MMO out there that isn't constantly patching. I have really enjoyed Defiance, and will continue to do so. I can see a lot of really great potential out there for this game. Give another few months and this game will explode with content and really cool stuff. They've come a long way to fix the important bugs and they are moving as quickly as possible to correct others. It is easy to slam the dev's of Defiance when you are hiding behind ambiguity. Unless you have legitimately been involved in the enormous process it takes to program and code a game like this, you can never understand what the dev's are going through to make this product work. No one wants to create a game that sucks, no one wants to create a game that fails. I think this game will be incredible and those of us who stick it out will be thankful we did.

im a 23 year old but I started with centipede, space invaders, pong, my first system was turbo graphics(I miss it), so I consider myself as an old school gamer, and I don't complain about a game having bugs lol

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Originally Posted by GERMiside

im a 23 year old but I started with centipede, space invaders, pong, my first system was turbo graphics(I miss it), so I consider myself as an old school gamer, and I don't complain about a game having bugs lol

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its cause you know what the song Walk is about, an PhilAnsolmophy major also...lol

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Originally Posted by JagerMyk

its cause you know what the song Walk is about, an PhilAnsolmophy major also...lol

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I like that, 8 years of schooling paid off. lol

Old farts unite! I cut my teeth back in the day when having a green screen was the new hotness.
I think that the concept of "playability" had gotten pretty warped during the Nintendo 64 era.
Before then, playability didn't mean the removal of obstacles that could be perceived as challenging. Before then, playability meant will the f***in thing load, how far can you get before it freezes, and how far out of the box can you go to overcome a set of challenges. The pendulum swung too far into the direction of "fun" (fun being the removal of anything that might frustrate, doesn't provide instant gratification, and is to complex that the act of just picking up a the controller does automatically solve). And this has been going on for so long, that gaming seemed to forget the other aspects of the medium that were the real engaging factors. Younger gamers are used to instant gratification and compensation. For a generation that has no sense of accountability (especially online), that's a pretty troubling thing. But there's something healthy about that as a side effect.
Developers have to really be on their s*** and focus on rounding out all of the edges for a more critical set of eyeballs than ever before. It moves the medium forward, and ultimately keeps them honest, or at least accountable.
We're seeing a bit of balance being restored these days with the shift in the difficulty spectrum.
Older design concepts are popping up again and aren't being run out of town labeled as "bad game design" because they don't have a win button. Like I said, things are shifting towards balance but probably not fast enough. Luckily if you're an OSG, you've probably already got a firm grasp on the concept of patience.

Also an old fart!

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Originally Posted by Figma

You "old school" gamer seems to assume too many things and seem simple minded. how do you know who is and who is not and were do you draw the line. imo "old" gamers ruin the gaming for rest of us with your this is too hard because im old and slow threads. and now you understand what you sound like.

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You seem to be misunderstanding. The term "Old School Gamer" does not imply that the person themselves is "old" just that they have been gaming since before developers started to cater their design to the lowest common denominator which we like to call "Casual Gamers". Old School gamers, tend to usually be more willing to tackle more difficult challenges and more patient when waiting for problems in games to be solved(we all remember before bugs got fixed at all) if the core of the game is fun. There are plenty of "Old" Casual Gamers so don't mistake old people and old school gamers as one and the same.

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Originally Posted by Figma

You "old school" gamer seems to assume too many things and seem simple minded. how do you know who is and who is not and were do you draw the line. imo "old" gamers ruin the gaming for rest of us with your this is too hard because im old and slow threads. and now you understand what you sound like.

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um actually we old school gamers dont complain about how hard a game is, we unlike the new gen like a difficult game or scenario, so i fail to see how we ruined games for you young turds lol...we actually want difficulty in our games and not have everything handed to us, me thinks you got yourself muggled up there young grasshopper :cool:

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Originally Posted by Live2Reap

You seem to be misunderstanding. The term "Old School Gamer" does not imply that the person themselves is "old" just that they have been gaming since before developers started to cater their design to the lowest common denominator which we like to call "Casual Gamers". Old School gamers, tend to usually be more willing to tackle more difficult challenges and more patient when waiting for problems in games to be solved(we all remember before bugs got fixed at all) if the core of the game is fun. There are plenty of "Old" Casual Gamers so don't mistake old people and old school gamers as one and the same.

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agreed, i miss missile command and pong, the 3do ( space hulk : revenge of the blood angels was an awesome game for that console lol )

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Originally Posted by DaMaJaDiZ

Old farts unite! I cut my teeth back in the day when having a green screen was the new hotness.
I think that the concept of "playability" had gotten pretty warped during the Nintendo 64 era.
Before then, playability didn't mean the removal of obstacles that could be perceived as challenging. Before then, playability meant will the f***in thing load, how far can you get before it freezes, and how far out of the box can you go to overcome a set of challenges. The pendulum swung too far into the direction of "fun" (fun being the removal of anything that might frustrate, doesn't provide instant gratification, and is to complex that the act of just picking up a the controller does automatically solve). And this has been going on for so long, that gaming seemed to forget the other aspects of the medium that were the real engaging factors. Younger gamers are used to instant gratification and compensation. For a generation that has no sense of accountability (especially online), that's a pretty troubling thing. But there's something healthy about that as a side effect.
Developers have to really be on their s*** and focus on rounding out all of the edges for a more critical set of eyeballs than ever before. It moves the medium forward, and ultimately keeps them honest, or at least accountable.
We're seeing a bit of balance being restored these days with the shift in the difficulty spectrum.
Older design concepts are popping up again and aren't being run out of town labeled as "bad game design" because they don't have a win button. Like I said, things are shifting towards balance but probably not fast enough. Luckily if you're an OSG, you've probably already got a firm grasp on the concept of patience.

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yeah i remember the infamous reset with the zelda game back on the nes, boy my dad would get pissed when it did that lmao ( yeah my dad was a gamer too back in the 80's ) and there was no way to fix that either so you had to set the game just right in the console or guess what?, ya just lost all that hard work, or the much hated end boss of the 1st contra lol, yep im definitely old school and proud of it

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Originally Posted by Live2Reap

You seem to be misunderstanding. The term "Old School Gamer" does not imply that the person themselves is "old" just that they have been gaming since before developers started to cater their design to the lowest common denominator which we like to call "Casual Gamers". Old School gamers, tend to usually be more willing to tackle more difficult challenges and more patient when waiting for problems in games to be solved(we all remember before bugs got fixed at all) if the core of the game is fun. There are plenty of "Old" Casual Gamers so don't mistake old people and old school gamers as one and the same.

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You seem to have missed the "" you should direct this to other people in this thread who think that. like this guy http://archive.wort-fm.org/red_down_arrow.gif

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Originally Posted by chrismeyer34

um actually we old school gamers dont complain about how hard a game is, we unlike the new gen like a difficult game or scenario, so i fail to see how we ruined games for you young turds lol...we actually want difficulty in our games and not have everything handed to us, me thinks you got yourself muggled up there young grasshopper :cool:

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How can you speak for everyone when for fact there is complain posts. and like i said how do you know who is "old":

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how do you know who is and who is not and were do you draw the line

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And from the quality of your posts you sound very mature for your age http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...l=1#post420263
If you like difficult games why do you play defiance because its not one

I dont complain about the bugs in the game. I just shoot them :D

You're not a old school gamer until you remember playing shtako like Pitfall for hours

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Originally Posted by Figma

You seem to have missed the "" you should direct this to other people in this thread who think that. like this guy http://archive.wort-fm.org/red_down_arrow.gif

How can you speak for everyone when for fact there is complain posts. and like i said how do you know who is "old":
And from the quality of your posts you sound very mature for your age http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...l=1#post420263
If you like difficult games why do you play defiance because its not one

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um actually i dont complain there hoss lmao...but ive seen yours post on other threads and it seems you complain more than me, so yeah kinda proves my point, and dont single me out either cuz that just proves my point even further that kids complain about games being too hard more than us old school gamers who actually want more difficulty in games, if you dont like the thread then stay off it there buddy lol, but hey this is the internet and kids think theyre tough guys on here lmao, live long grasshopper, live long


and for your info i like playing defiance, i love the story in the show as well, if you have issues with that than youre a lot more immature than we all thought, i love games and ill keep playing them till im on my death bed, and ill be using my mic as well lmao...people are always wanting me to be in their group cuz they know when its gets tough they can count on my exp in tough games to help them out of those tough spots and thats where us old school gamers really shine and a lot of players ares starting to see that, but i digress grasshopper, i digress lol

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Originally Posted by Nate Murder

You're not a old school gamer until you remember playing shtako like Pitfall for hours

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i remember the old version lol, didnt play too much of that cuz i was more into missile command, pac man, and flashback for the snes lol

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Originally Posted by vizibledog

I dont complain about the bugs in the game. I just shoot them :D

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agreed lmao or set em on fire along with raiders and laugh while they run around like chickens with their heads cut off lmao

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Originally Posted by chrismeyer34

i remember the old version lol, didnt play too much of that cuz i was more into missile command, pac man, and flashback for the snes lol

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I played missile command too lol

What about Frogger?

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Originally Posted by Nate Murder

What about Frogger?

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lmao...that game had me wondering wth?...lmao my joystick never worked right for me with that game so i always ended up on the bumper of a truck in that game...we're talking about the original right?

yup
/10 Chars

Oh for the days loading games from cassette into my ZX Spectrum.

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Originally Posted by Nate Murder

yup
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i remember this 1 game i had for my ps1 called " the syndicate "...dont know if you know that but it was pretty cool, hard at some points, now i think they have a newer more up to date version

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Originally Posted by vizibledog

Oh for the days loading games from cassette into my ZX Spectrum.

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lol, im still trying to find a 3do console cuz i want to get some games i had a while back for it, space hulk, gex and a few others