Microsoft, Sony, Stop acting like stubborn little children and let us play w/friends

This is a demand I broadcast here to allow for Defiance to usher in a new era of unity- I play on PC and Xbox, but have friends on PS3. I want to be able to play on my PC with my friends on Xbox, I want my cousin and friends who own a PS3 to have some common ground we can all enjoy, and I know it can and is feasible on the test servers which Trion blatantly said. Don't pretend you don't think this would be absolutely insane. We've seen it happen, Shadowrun, FF, both fine.

CS:GO already ******d out.

Don't let our game continue this cycle. We want change.

I would not mind ps3 and xbox being able to play to together. Pc plays would have a big advantage over consoles plays just with the fact of the precision of the mouse over the analog stick. I am also for the unity of the games so if it happen that would be cool. I have friends that will not play on pc because the say it is to complicated to play on pc. I see to them your not a true game.... lol. I play all systems.

Plz no.

I respectfully disagree with you.

The worst Keyboard and Mouse player has an advantage against a good Controller player. Although there has been talk of having trading cross platform, or social only areas, but any co-op or PvP would be unenjoyable.

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Originally Posted by hammer326

This is a demand I broadcast here to allow for Defiance to usher in a new era of unity- I play on PC and Xbox, but have friends on PS3. I want to be able to play on my PC with my friends on Xbox, I want my cousin and friends who own a PS3 to have some common ground we can all enjoy, and I know it can and is feasible on the test servers which Trion blatantly said. Don't pretend you don't think this would be absolutely insane. We've seen it happen, Shadowrun, FF, both fine.

CS:GO already ******d out.

Don't let our game continue this cycle. We want change.

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Good luck bud. But as it has been said PC gamers would dominate over console players. I do feel, however, that XBOX and PS3 could/should be unified, but we're talking about two greedy, greedy companies, it just won't happen. Not in the near future though.

There is 1 game that pulled this off and it was Final Fantasy XI, they are trying again but its a no go.

Plus Trion Worlds said there will be no cross over platforms, plus if your in a party chat and your buddy its on the ps3, how the hell that suppose to work?

Answer: you can't

I know Sony is open for these kind of stuff they already allowed CCP to use there network via DUST 514 and merge it with EVE Online servers PS3 players and PC players will be playing together for the first time.

Microsoft on the other hand is too closed and tight thats why there isn't many MMO or F2P games on Xbox they need to open up and start cooperating with Sony for the sake of there consumers

Actually, the keyboard/mouse control gap is almost gone with the implementation of the motion sense controllers, the interaction with the game interface has the same level as the the mouse/keyboard input. The PC's superiority has more to do with more computing power, than user input/control when equal systems are used.

Btw, I'm insanely jealous of the ps3's gun mockup controller.

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Originally Posted by Azeron

I know Sony is open for these kind of stuff they already allowed CCP to use there network via DUST 514 and merge it with EVE Online servers PS3 players and PC players will be playing together for the first time.

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That's different. Dust and Eve players aren't playing together on different platforms--they're playing different games on different platforms that share some data.

I would like the cross platform's since at the beginning it did state for the game in interview "Cross platform gaming community." But guess they can't always get what they want.. though if anyone states the reason is PC games have an advantage that is total Bull honky.. Controls have just as easy aiming as a mouse. You can aline a shot just like a mouse not that hard.

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Originally Posted by Dagur

I would like the cross platform's since at the beginning it did state for the game in interview "Cross platform gaming community." But guess they can't always get what they want.. though if anyone states the reason is PC games have an advantage that is total Bull honky.. Controls have just as easy aiming as a mouse. You can aline a shot just like a mouse not that hard.

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I'm guessing you never played Shadowrun?

Take this politely but everything about that statement is just: No.

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Originally Posted by Krazee DD

I'm guessing you never played Shadowrun?

Take this politely but everything about that statement is just: No.

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Most games these days give players using controllers soft targeting (if you're near the target when you scope-in, it puts the crosshairs at center mass). Not unreasonable to think Trion would do the same for controller players.

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Originally Posted by Swag

Most games these days give players using controllers soft targeting (if you're near the target when you scope-in, it puts the crosshairs at center mass). Not unreasonable to think Trion would do the same for controller players.

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Auto aim is put in to compensate for the lack of control that a mouse has.

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Originally Posted by Swag

Most games these days give players using controllers soft targeting (if you're near the target when you scope-in, it puts the crosshairs at center mass). Not unreasonable to think Trion would do the same for controller players.

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Trion said it was free aim. No assist.

Did it occur to ANYONE that PVP would be nigh entirely recreational if present at all in Defiance? I'm a console and PC gamer and I can say that if the price I pay is just [people having a bit higher body count in a co-op conflict], in exchange for being able to play with EVERYONE, not my dumbass friends who only play on xbox OR my dumbass friends who only play on PC, I would do it in a heartbeat. Anyone rational would.

Unfortunately no gaming companies have any frakking principles anymore; Trion NOT being the target when I say that.

Guess the cycle continues, just like the end of mass effect 3. I wonder if this'll garner the same category of reactions.

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Originally Posted by hammer326

Did it occur to ANYONE that PVP would be nigh entirely recreational if present at all in Defiance? I'm a console and PC gamer and I can say that if the price I pay is just [people having a bit higher body count in a co-op conflict], in exchange for being able to play with EVERYONE, not my dumbass friends who only play on xbox OR my dumbass friends who only play on PC, I would do it in a heartbeat. Anyone rational would.

Unfortunately no gaming companies have any frakking principles anymore; Trion NOT being the target when I say that.

Guess the cycle continues, just like the end of mass effect 3. I wonder if this'll garner the same category of reactions.

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Well, it is not the gaming companies... well it is, but MS and Sony... no one else. Most Devs would love to see cross platform play. Trion said it was all 1st party issues.

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Originally Posted by Krazee DD

I'm guessing you never played Shadowrun?

Take this politely but everything about that statement is just: No.

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Shadowrun was terrible because of PC hacks and xbox had no way to fix that issue

The one issue I foresee is PS3's multiplayer being free. Even so, I highly doubt a relatively niche game like Defiance coming out will make ANY significant amount of people jump ship and just start playing PS3- all of those people's friends still play xbox, and the most slim possibility that microsoft could take any substantial losses from such a venture is slim to none, this is ridiculous.

They say next to no mold-breaking will start happening until the next console generation swings into town, but we haven't even pulled off something like this yet. Can you imagine if Ford had the model T together in a week flat but hadn't figured out a fuel HALF as efficient as gasoline to run it? that's the entire gaming world, aint that somethin?

Gearbox Software wanted to do that with Borderlands 2 (Which is a HUGELY POPULAR shooter) but were not able to get permission from MS and Sony

Read here:
Gearbox Wanted Cross-Platform Play For Borderlands 2

So if Borderlands 2 couldn't go cross platform, I don't think there's much chance for Defiance to go cross platform either

Gah grave digs drive me nuts. Anyways for a better reasoning on why this will never happen read this http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...07-Console-War

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Originally Posted by hammer326

This is a demand I broadcast here to allow for Defiance to usher in a new era of unity- I play on PC and Xbox, but have friends on PS3. I want to be able to play on my PC with my friends on Xbox, I want my cousin and friends who own a PS3 to have some common ground we can all enjoy, and I know it can and is feasible on the test servers which Trion blatantly said. Don't pretend you don't think this would be absolutely insane. We've seen it happen, Shadowrun, FF, both fine.

CS:GO already ******d out.

Don't let our game continue this cycle. We want change.

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I dunno about you but my friends would b eon the same console as me anyway so that would be irrelevant... I mean if i only have a PS3 why would anyone on my PS3 friends list have 360 only? I mean where would i be finding these 360 friends? lol

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Originally Posted by Krazee DD

I'm guessing you never played Shadowrun?

Take this politely but everything about that statement is just: No.

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Agreed. Cross Platform between console and PC has huge implications besides the good old "Everyone's playing together 8D". The issues become both social (the communities are quite different) and technical (hardware limitations and input methods). Ultimately what ends up happening in the end is the PC players get the short end of the stick as visually everything gets scaled back, including the view distance, to what consoles can handle, and the UI tends to be cumbersome at best or unusable at worst. You can see the two online final fantasy MMOs for perfect examples of this (The first one had a horrifically short view distance that faded into a grey fog because it was limited to the PS2 spec. There was an unofficial mod to fix it, but you could technically get banned for it by the letter of the EULA.)

The biggest annoyance would be that, due to the LOVELY update systems on consoles (particularly Microsoft) PC would be completely beholden to the console update schedule if they were linked.

I'm not expecting much from the game on PC in the long run already purely because of it's console version linked or unlinked at this point as they appear to be making the console version their primary focus, so if the PC client saw so much as higher res textures, I would be surprised..

As nice as this would be the bad blood between Microsoft and Sony dates back to before the Xbox was even a concept. Never going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Krazee DD

Auto aim is put in to compensate for the lack of control that a mouse has.

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Wow man, you really believe that a mouse sensitivity for a fps - or a shooter for that matter lacks control lol???

It doesnt bother me that we cant would you realy want to hear people fighting over what system is better you guys know that would happen

They say things like "we can't promise that they're systems would be up to our standards" which translates as "they may have a better system for you and we don't want you to know about it"

Granted I play on PC and see this whole Xbox vs PS as a pointless battle, but still.

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Originally Posted by Divalco

Gearbox Software wanted to do that with Borderlands 2 (Which is a HUGELY POPULAR shooter) but were not able to get permission from MS and Sony

Read here:
Gearbox Wanted Cross-Platform Play For Borderlands 2

So if Borderlands 2 couldn't go cross platform, I don't think there's much chance for Defiance to go cross platform either

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Good point

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Originally Posted by Krazee DD

Plz no.

I respectfully disagree with you.

The worst Keyboard and Mouse player has an advantage against a good Controller player. Although there has been talk of having trading cross platform, or social only areas, but any co-op or PvP would be unenjoyable.

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Oh, this sH#t again. Pretty sure there are people that can easily beat KB+M users with a controller. Even if they couldn't, who the f cares.

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Originally Posted by Krazee DD

I'm guessing you never played Shadowrun?

Take this politely but everything about that statement is just: No.

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I respectfully disagree in regards to Shadowrun. In most cases, mouse is better than controller, but Shadowrun has never given me this problem. It has other failings, certainly, but I do just as well in Shadowrun against pc players as I do in any other fps against xbox players... which isn't particularly great, not terrible, but not great. That said, I would have much preferred cross-platform gameplay. Worst case, give console players the option to use usb mouse and keyboard to even the playing field (I think they should do this either way). Another option would be to let the player limit what platforms they go up against in pvp but let pve stay open. I've got lots of friends that I'd be playing with if the game was cross-platform, but it's not happening either way. And for the record, I mostly blame microshaft. I'm not a big fan of sony, but MS is notorious for taking their ball and going home (or in some cases, taking somebody else's chips... and other questionable business practices). Alas, xbox has the games I like to play... But at least I'm not making a habit of using winblows.