Vehicles the New Cash Sink? What are your thoughts?

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Originally Posted by aRtFuL

It is VERY easy to get scrip by vendoring everything instead of salvaging everything.

The only question is HOW you balance your vendoring/salvaging ratio.

Also, it is just vehicle skins :/ If they aren't even allow to want to make some bits from skins, I don't know what you expect them to make money from... This is no different as how they are keeping a some outfit "bits only"

It is just appearance. If you can't afford it, dress down. That's what people do in life too. Not everyone wears LV and drinks Moët lol.

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It may come as a surprise to you, but I own most of the vendor vehicles, barring some of the specials, a few randoms colors, and the Orange charger.

I paid 500 scrip for most of them.

Then, today I went to the vehicle vendor to confirm what someone said about vehicle prices being raised.

I was mortified by the lines of greyed out items for 20,000+scrip a piece. There was the odd Duni or Hannibal still in white, but that didn't bother me.

What bothered me is just how pointless the price increase is. I know I'm far from the only person in this same situation, it doesn't affect me, and it doesn't affect countless other number of players who have been playing since launch.

Who it DOES affect is new players, the players who are struggling for scrip in an already over-inflated economy.

AND IT PISSES ME OFF.

Currency sinks should be focused towards the people that have the currency to sink, not the people that are trying to keep afloat financially.

You guys crack me up.
You cried that scrip had no value. So they double the price on vehicles to add some "value" to it.
Everything they keep doing bad to the game is because you guys cry so they cater to you then you cry even more about it.
They need to stop listening to the crybabies on here.
Play the game & fix what's broken. We(the real players) are the ones getting the short end.
Giving the crybabies(who will stop playing soon anyway) what they want is breaking the game, making it worse daily & driving they real fans away.
#FACTS

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Originally Posted by Dack

You guys crack me up.
You cried that scrip had no value. So they double the price on vehicles to add some "value" to it.
Everything they keep doing bad to the game is because you guys cry so they cater to you then you cry even more about it.
They need to stop listening to the crybabies on here.
Play the game & fix what's broken. We(the real players) are the ones getting the short end.
Giving the crybabies(who will stop playing soon anyway) what they want is breaking the game, making it worse daily & driving they real fans away.
#FACTS

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#truescotsman

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Originally Posted by Xaearth

It may come as a surprise to you, but I own most of the vehicles, barring a few of the specials and the Orange charger.

I paid 500 scrip for most of them.

Then, today I went to the vehicle vendor to confirm what someone said about vehicle prices being raised.

I was mortified by the lines of greyed out items for 20,000+scrip a piece. There was the odd Duni or Hannibal still in white, but that didn't bother me.

What bothered me is just how pointless the price increase is. I know I'm far from the only person in this same situation, it doesn't affect me, and it doesn't affect countless other number of players who have been playing since launch.

Who it DOES affect is new players, the players who are struggling for scrip in an already over-inflated economy.

AND IT PISSES ME OFF.

Currency sinks should be focused towards the people that have the currency to sink, not the people that are trying to keep afloat financially.

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Other then greed, it doesnt even really effect new players either, the vendor sells fluff.
You get both types of runners for free, one of them is even the fastest runner IG atm and a roller
If prices would have been this high to begin with people wouldnt have made such a big deal out of this. if it was this high at release the vehicles would have had a higher status symbol value then they have now.
But yes, you are definately right, this effects newer players far more then old ones, so this really is a metaforic musterd after the meal sollution.

That the discount sale price on vehicles went up isn't a surprise to me. Weapons were on "sale" for 5,000 scrip, and yet cars were selling for 500 scrip. I kept wondering if someone left a zero of the end of that price.

However, bumping the normal price of vehicles from 15,000 to 30,000 seems ridiculous. The original 15k prices were fine. I'm not finished the main/side missions yet, but I am a decent way through them and my finances were just beginning to get to a point where I could stomach the idea of losing 15k to a vehicle purchase I had my eye on. 30k? Not happening.

People keep saying money is easy to come by, but I don't see it. Maybe they mean later on after you've burned through all the missions, or after getting an orange weapon from the cash-shop and selling it for ridiculous amounts of scrip to another rich player.

But I'm not in that sort of position. I've just done the storyline missions, and any side quests and challenges up to the area I'm adventuring in (the region north of the crater, which seems to represent 50% of the available map), while participating in usually at least one arkfall per session and a few emergency encounters, and I've only acquired about 50k scrip in this very ordinary process. After making a few shop purchases I have about 35k in my character's wallet. That's "normal playing", without relying on the cash shop or key farming for legendary weapons to sell, or without grinding some other easily farmable encounter into the ground to burn through pursuits, etc.

So, I'm playing the content in the order it's delivered, and yet now (to purchase a vehicle) I'm expected to throw a majority of all the money I've obtained up to this point into a car? No thanks. I'm sure they're looked a the metrics to arrive at this decision, but I suspect those figures are horribly skewed by farmers.

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Originally Posted by Dack

You guys crack me up.
You cried that scrip had no value. So they double the price on vehicles to add some "value" to it.
Everything they keep doing bad to the game is because you guys cry so they cater to you then you cry even more about it.
They need to stop listening to the crybabies on here.
Play the game & fix what's broken. We(the real players) are the ones getting the short end.
Giving the crybabies(who will stop playing soon anyway) what they want is breaking the game, making it worse daily & driving they real fans away.
#FACTS

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It's not quiet the fact that they increased the price It's the fact that they did it to all vehicles, they should have done it to some. Not only that they more than doubled the price. That would have easily made it more desirable and still helped the scrip value. I also think they could have made the Rare/Purple weapons worth more when buying them and made them a little harder to find.

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Originally Posted by Xaearth

Who it DOES affect is new players, the players who are struggling for scrip in an already over-inflated economy.

AND IT PISSES ME OFF.

Currency sinks should be focused towards the people that have the currency to sink, not the people that are trying to keep afloat financially.

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No it doesn't.

You get free vehicles doing main story. Guns are still the same price and always have specials anyways.

It doesn't really affect anyone aside from the fashionistas.

I can understand people want bling but bling costs you, lol :P I don't see anything wrong with that.

The only think that I see wrong is the for the price you pay the vehicles don't have any better colour patterns/camos/looks on them :P

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Originally Posted by Rwillis521

I also think they could have made the Rare/Purple weapons worth more when buying them and made them a little harder to find.

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Now I totally disagree on that. They shouldn't do anything to the weapons availability at all.

THAT would really affect the new players. Defiance is good at the moment in that sense that everyone are pretty much on a balanced footing when it comes to access to fighting gears, and that good because this game is an FPS. An FPS where more seasoned players outgear new players by too much is a terrible idea - because FPS, unlike a full blown rpg, is supposed to be more twitch-based, not gear-based.

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Originally Posted by aRtFuL

No it doesn't.

You get free vehicles doing main story. Guns are still the same price and always have specials anyways.

It doesn't really affect anyone aside from the fashionistas.

I can understand people want bling but bling costs you, lol :P I don't see anything wrong with that.

The only think that I see wrong is the for the price you pay the vehicles don't have any better colour patterns/camos/looks on them :P

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The surprised reactions are due to a sudden shift in design philosophy. During development the game's producer proudly pointed out in interviews that a variety of vehicles were easily accessible to new players, that it was more important to give players the means of getting where they wanted to go quickly (because gamers, shooter fans in particular according to the producer, don't like travel time sinks) than it was to create a virtual carrot to be chased.

Driving (no pun intended) home this point was the decision to give every pre-order player a two-seater vehicle for free. And not just any two-seater, but literally the fastest vehicle in the game, instantly reducing the value/usefulness of all other vehicles. And on top of that they give away a Hannibal just for entering in arkfall codes. Between that and the quad awarded to players for completing literally the first mission, it's clear this game was designed around the idea of obtaining vehicles easily, almost as an extension of your character.

I find it odd that prices were low in the beginning when it could be argued that additional vehicles were merely a color variant luxury, but now the price has been suddenly doubled (more than doubled in some cases) later in the game when new players don't have access to free two-seaters like the Red Dodge Challenger anymore.

I think this change happened for one reason and one reason only: players with a lot of scrip kept complaining there was nothing to spend it on. And so, using the least amount of effort in an attempt to counter that complaint, the developers jacked up the prices of all the vehicles.

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Originally Posted by EdgeTW

The surprised reactions are due to a sudden shift in design philosophy. During development the game's producer proudly pointed out in interviews that a variety of vehicles were easily accessible to new players, that it was more important to give players the means of getting where they wanted to go quickly (because gamers, shooter fans in particular according to the producer, don't like travel time sinks) than it was to create a virtual carrot to be chased.

Driving (no pun intended) home this point was the decision to give every pre-order player a two-seater vehicle for free. And not just any two-seater, but literally the fastest vehicle in the game, instantly reducing the value/usefulness of all other vehicles. And on top of that they give away a Hannibal just for entering in arkfall codes. Between that and the quad awarded to players for completing literally the first mission, it's clear this game was designed around the idea of obtaining vehicles easily, almost as an extension of your character.

I find it odd that prices were low in the beginning when it could be argued that additional vehicles were merely a color variant luxury, but now the price has been suddenly doubled (more than doubled in some cases) later in the game when new players don't have access to free two-seaters like the Red Dodge Challenger anymore.

I think this change happened for one reason and one reason only: players with a lot of scrip kept complaining there was nothing to spend it on. And so, using the least amount of effort in an attempt to counter that complaint, the developers jacked up the prices of all the vehicles.

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^ Good points

The decision to raise the scrip prices on vehicles may have also been motivated by poor vehicle sales on the cash shop, which would be.. just a really low move.

Somewhat on/off topic. But I figure I should have known better. It was sometime last week a few minutes before a server restart. One of the 3 hidden vendors had a White Duni for 500scrip. Hopped on it and bought the thing and drove around with it. As I was making my way to another of the vendors - server goes down for restart. I figured OK, waited a few min. Reconnected, and voila, my White Duni was no longer around period. It's as if I never bought the thing. But I don't remember if my 500 scrip was stolen too haha.

A regrettable loss. Not like I lost any sleep over it, but a bit bummed I lost that. I doubt I'll be able to see that Duni in a vendor for 500scrip for a long time. To make it on topic, I wouldn't mind tossing 20k scrip to buy it again. Is it regularly found at any normal vehicle vendor? I haven't really looked/check.

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Originally Posted by EdgeTW

The decision to raise the scrip prices on vehicles may have also been motivated by poor vehicle sales on the cash shop, which would be.. just a really low move.

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I think if they had introduced more appealing vehicle skins or more varied types the sales in the cash shop would've been good.

I mean look at how many ppl by the outfits from shop, they have no problems in that one, because they have outfits that looks nice and different from what you can get in game.

That one was totally their fault. In Planetside 2 they released stacks of different looks and customization when the game comes out, that's why their cash shop is so successful.