Taking aim assist out of PvP removes all skill from PvP!

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Originally Posted by Slay

I've never played ME3 and I don't know what TR stands for but I will say that Halo 4, Assassin's creed 3 and Gears of War all do not have half of their guns in PvP being alot more underpowered than other guns. They do have their overpowered guns though I will admit, but that's their fault. We don't need the same fault they have.
Halo 4 - Boltsh*t, Promethean Vision, Incineration Cannon
Gears of War - Gnasher Shotgun, Sawed off shotgun (They did the good job of nerfing it for GoW:J, because everyone hated it in GoW3)
Assassin's Creed - Smoke bombs, mute, templar vision, pistol

You know what's important to mention though? All these games have aim assist which nullifies some overpowered setups in gun mechanics such as Halo. Infact the reason these games are so good when it comes to MP is because Halo has no snap assist, same for GoW and AC. They have the same assistant i'm suggesting. Again also I am not saying that aim assist is the sole proprietor to the game's success, but it definitely helps out alot for lack of precision on xbox controllers and joysticks.

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ME3 = Mass Effect 3
TR = Tomb Raider

and also yes they do

GoW has the retro and Gnahser. every other weapon is crap compared to those. 80% of MP kills come from the gnahser its way OP. They buffed the ARs to make the more usefull and all the gnahser players complained so they reverted the buff. It ruined MP to me. it was way to imbalanced and became stale so i don't play it anymore. its just boring and repetative.

AC3 has smokebomb its the utilmate end all power. Mute and templar vision don't exist in AC3. removed becuase they were too powerful hence proving my point. the gun isn't OP since it has a high cooldown and gives you the lowest score possible for a kill

In Halo i play mostly swat. which means you get your choice of a DMR or BR and a backup magnum. no abilities no shield no grenades its all about landing headshots. and i don't even scope in becase its a waste fo time and i can land my shots w/o scoping. don't get me wrong it took me some time to be able to effectivley bunny hop and land a no scope head shot with constancy. time i got destroyed trying to leanr how to do it. but the game is fun and balanced so i stuck with it and wen't form getting destroyed to being a decent player. Which is how it should be done. Most people would have rage quit form getting destroyed or whines saying that things are OP.

Most people stopped playing AC3 cause smoke and glicthers. between the overuse of OSB and people suing the minor hack glitch which allos you to animus hack everyone all game long the game got boring and stupid so i stopped playing it. Right now the only 2 MP game si play are defiance and Halo becuase they are the most balanced hence had the most staying power

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Originally Posted by Daemeos

If you cant get a kill without needing target assist, stay out of PVP matches. This isnt Modern Warfare where you can quick scope and snap lock onto your targets in PVP and see who wins simply by who pulled the trigger first. I agree with Upinya, this isnt a "win simply by showing up" kind of game. There are no "participation" awards at the end, either you have skill and can win, or you dont and you lose.

Personally, I love that this game has no cheats or hacks available to it [yet], it means each player is relying purely on their own dedication and skill rather than access to a mod/hack site to give you god mode and infinite ammo.

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I like how you think this game takes uber skill, like cloak and shotgun and or detonator/Lobber spam is hard to do while being invisible. Sorry but this game doesn't take much 'skill' right now.

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Originally Posted by PookLove

I like how you think this game takes uber skill, like cloak and shotgun and or detonator/Lobber spam is hard to do while being invisible. Sorry but this game doesn't take much 'skill' right now.

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Show me ANYWHERE I said it takes "a lot" of skill, or ANY measure of how much skill. All I said was it takes skill... dont twist my words to justify your argument. I also never specified anything about weapons, all I said was if you need aim assist to get kill you dont need to play this games PvP.

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Originally Posted by Daemeos

Show me ANYWHERE I said it takes "a lot" of skill, or ANY measure of how much skill. All I said was it takes skill... dont twist my words to justify your argument. I also never specified anything about weapons, all I said was if you need aim assist to get kill you dont need to play this games PvP.

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Any measure of skill? Well you said it takes more skill than Call of Duty. (Which by the way people play professionally for) You said it wasn't the type of game to go in and win, you said that if I can't get a kill with a weapon I should quit, implying i'm bad and my skill level is less than yours, you also said it's completely up to the player's skill to win or else they will lose.

Btw, I didn't know there was such a thing as a measure of skill, I don't know what you mean by 'ANY measure of how much skill'. I'm unaware of real life XP and skill units...

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Originally Posted by Slay

Any measure of skill? Well you said it takes more skill than Call of Duty. (Which by the way people play professionally for)

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Actually, you need to re-read my initial comment, I never said "more skill than CoD" I just said "this isnt CoD where you can quick scope and snap lock" Seriously man... read before you type.

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Originally Posted by Slay

you said that if I can't get a kill with a weapon I should quit, implying i'm bad and my skill level is less than yours

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First, I said "if you cant get a kill without aim assist" and I was referring to ANYONE playing, but if you wanna get butthurt and take it personally, thats on you.

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Originally Posted by Slay

you also said it's completely up to the player's skill to win or else they will lose.

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Again, I didnt say anything about needing a lot of skill or any specific amount, just that winning or losing is based on skill.

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Originally Posted by Slay

Btw, I didn't know there was such a thing as a measure of skill, I don't know what you mean by 'ANY measure of how much skill'. Last I checked there wasn't skill units...

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I cant believe I need to specify that I meant player skill, not some in game measurement of "skill". Either you truly are dense or youre just looking for ways to argue with anyone who dares to disagree with your opinion. Either way, get over yourself kid.

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Originally Posted by Daemeos

Actually, you need to re-read my initial comment, I never said "more skill than CoD" I just said "this isnt CoD where you can quick scope and snap lock" Seriously man... read before you type.

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....Read before I type? Not my fault for your flip floppy behavior, I go off your text mate if you want to claim i'm stupid rather than the ambiguity of your own post then go ahead. By the way, saying CoD is a game that you quick scope and snap lock in basically is saying CoD has little skill, when I said it is played professionally. I don't know how that doesn't count as an argument to you. Obviously I was saying if it's a professional game it takes some skill. DERPPPP DERP DARRPPP
Verdict: A measurement of skill :D

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Originally Posted by Daemeos

I was referring to ANYONE playing, but if you wanna get butthurt and take it personally, thats on you.

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Last I checked I counted in the category, 'ANYONE'
Verdict: Measurement of skill, I count as a skilled opponent.

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Originally Posted by Daemeos

Again, I didnt say anything about needing a lot of skill or any specific amount, just that winning or losing is based on skill.

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You would obviously need more than your opponent.
Verdict: A measure of skill :D DERP

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Originally Posted by Daemeos

I cant believe I need to specify that I meant player skill, not some in game measurement of "skill". Either you truly are dense or youre just looking for ways to argue with anyone who dares to disagree with your opinion. Either way, get over yourself kid.

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Yes. :D Lol

Alright yeah going to bed if you post back with another stupid chopped up multi quote post to tackle each sentence out of context to support your stupidity/argument i'll edit this post in the morning. G'nite.

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Originally Posted by Daemeos

Show me ANYWHERE I said it takes "a lot" of skill, or ANY measure of how much skill. All I said was it takes skill... dont twist my words to justify your argument. I also never specified anything about weapons, all I said was if you need aim assist to get kill you dont need to play this games PvP.

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That's my problem though, you literally don't need aim assist to get a kill in this game(unlike other console shooters), with weapons that they offer and not to discount the fact you can go invisible any time you need. My problem is people do not want to use precision based weapons, you know, the one's that would require skill.(Sniper, Pistol, LMG, SMG, AR) And I don't blame them when you have weapons with AOE's(rockets, groundpounders/lobbers), large cursors(shotguns), and weapons that home in on targets(infectors/BMG). Hell it's like literally you can't miss. I can go 30-4 with just shotgun and cloak, that doesn't seem nooby to anyone else?

I didn't say, that you said, it takes 'a lot' of skill, I said much skill. I'm saying you act like this game is hard, which it isn't. Which is why a lot of people in general are upset with PVP, because it doesn't take any skill.

"CoD where you can quick scope and snap lock"..? I must have missed this feature. Why don't the pro's use it while playing in tournaments?

I would love some sort of magnetised aim assist, im one of rare players/idiots who use a sniper/ AR in pvp on xbox & im ok.

But I have had to turn up the sensitivty right up to deal with bunny hoppers & infector/ shotgun users that dodge around like mad men, cuz the default sensitivity can't keep up with how fast people move

But this has definitely affected my fine long game tho, like trying to line up long distance headshots is so much more difficult its so twitchy as a result. its hard to find the right balance atm

I think magnetised aim assist would solve this. Just decreasing the sensitivity slightly wen aiming directly at someone. Not snap assist as alot of people seem to THINK he means. U will still have to aim it yourself.

Mabi if u called it variable sensitivity instead of aim assist people wouldn't get so mad

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Originally Posted by FarmShaft

I would love some sort of magnetised aim assist, im one of rare players/idiots who use a sniper/ AR in pvp on xbox & im ok.

But I have had to turn up the sensitivty right up to deal with bunny hoppers & infector/ shotgun users that dodge around like mad men, cuz the default sensitivity can't keep up with how fast people move

But this has definitely affected my fine long game tho, like trying to line up long distance headshots is so much more difficult its so twitchy as a result. its hard to find the right balance atm

I think magnetised aim assist would solve this. Just decreasing the sensitivity slightly wen aiming directly at someone. Not snap assist as alot of people seem to THINK he means. U will still have to aim it yourself

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Yeah that's what were asking for, similar to Halo, GOW, COD. My guess is these topics(Aim assist) aren't going to get much attention because Defiance has much bigger issues to deal with. However, I'm sure eventually cloak/shotgun will catch a nerf which will be awesome. This is because all the communities, PC, Xbox, PS3 can agree it's a noob combo. They already nerfed the infectors/sawed offs slightly. But the combat/pump shotguns need to be toned down a bit.